What other engine...???

[faeizal]

I'm trying to improve the performance of my Feroza. Currently the original engine in my Feroza ( carbie ) consume a lot of petrol. It also has a cracked block....

I am wondering... besides the original engine.. are there other engines ( different makes or models ) that are suitable for Feroza...

TQ

[RockyF75]

I have heard feroza's are pretty cheap to run, perhaps the cracked block has something to do with the poor mileage. At any rate, the easiest conversion (other than another feroza engine) is apparently a charade engine

[HotFourOk]

Applause engine... not a charade engine

You could try a Detomaso Charade engine tho ... hmmmm

Or just put in a V6

[Goatse.AJ]

Go the Applause engine, extra 8Kw, and with a 2" exhaust and extractors, it'll go even better. Do a search for more info.

[dennisdko]

here in the Philippines my friends tried putting a toyota 3K it fitted.
also a toyota 4AGE or a diesel 2CT

[faeizal]

guys.... what are the codes for a carbie feroza engine?

i'm looking into the 4AGE option as i'm familiar with the engine... being a corolla freak helps here.... but also doing research on the Applause engine...

can someone tell me the code for the Applause engine???

diesel is a good bet too... the petrol price here keeps soaring high....

[murcod]

Applause and Feroza are "HD-E" for EFi or "HD-C" for carby variant. Detomaso Charade engine is "HD-EG"

[tufferoza]

if you where going to go to the trouble of putting in a 4age, i would go a 4agze instead.
either way the any 4ag family of engine are tops, i've worked with and on them since 1995. love em.

[faeizal]

i've seen a terios (kembara here in malaysia) using 4AGZE... very well done too

[cgarces]

sorry for bumping such an old topic but has anyone here gone through with a 4agze conversion?

i'm very interested in the long run results. my roza is an HD-C and its like driving a 3 litre car. i thought of putting in a turbo or supercharged HD-E but to do that i need to buy a whole half-cut as its pretty hard to get just the bits and pieces of an EFI system. another option was a turbo diesel, but regulations are quite tough here in Malaysia. i know a mechanic who would do the 4agze conversion but it would be better to hear from someone who's done it already

[2roky]

would the 4age or what ever it is just bolt straight up to the manual feroza belhousing?

[murcod]

I doubt it...

[pigletracing]

V6 commadore, only way to go,unless you need more power

[dai-hard]

v6 x2 Mine hauls ass

[pigletracing]

di hard I couldnt agree more,even with 37"tyres she still cruises all day
at 130klm,& in low range it dosnt hit the rev limiter until 120-130klm,&
these speeds are acurate measurements of the GPS,, its s#!t hot having
a FATROZA that halls ass,& can smkoke 37"s

[built4thrashing]

Why put an outdated Cast iron Pushrod V6 in a car that is setup for a light weight 4 cly. Wouldn't you be better with a new alloytech V6 or something else lighter? There are plenty of other light weight engines that would be easy to put in .


You could also save the money and put a turbo or blower on the factory HD-E engine. Be alot easier.


B4T

[dai-hard]

I did it because the diesel blew up (rocky) and was goin to cost $3500+
to rebuild it. Didnt like the idea of spending that much and still have a slow/rattly/smelly piece of crap with about 50kw.The hole conversion cost me $2400 and its quite/ smooth and goes cool.
And with a 3.36 diff ratio and 30x9.50 its actualy better on fuel on a trip then the diesel. The v6 is also lighter than the diesel too my truck wieghs
1255kg now.
I did look at an alloytech wouldnt have been able to do the electrics myself and no-one does a kit yet.

[pigletracing]

by the time you price up a turbo,exhausts,& freshening up your old tired
motor,so it will handle the power upgrade,or even a supercharger,,
it worked out cheaper,esp if you are going to comp it,if you blow a
turbo,throw a conrod or somthing to that maner,you can pick up a
2nd hand commy eng for around $300,far cheaper than turbos or
rebuilds,as for lighter & better V6s,there are probably better out there.
but I used the commy as they are common,cheap,& the adapters are
shelf items,so I didnt have to hunt to far,
at presant, Iam looking for more power,Ihave looked at superchargers
but asfar as dollers & cents go,it will be cheaper to bolt in a 5ltr efi V8
as I already have the turbo-700 auto that came standard with the V6
conected to everything in the Fatroza

[built4thrashing]

If you gonna go to the lengths of doin a engine conversion why not do an entire drivetrain swap at the same time. When i had the fez i looked at a written off grand vit. 2.5 V6 and 5speed. this mated up to a sierra t/case with crawler gears and lets go. But i didnt have enough coin at the time so i just bought a sierra. shiat on the blacktop but 100% better in the bush.

[pigletracing]

each to there own,,but the original question was about engines,
not drivetrains!!& all that a few of us were trying to do was to give
some helpfull advice on conversions that we have already done,
& they have proven cheap,& reliable!!!!!!!!
If you want to be of some help(rather than critisise other people) ESP
as you just mentioned,,,you dont even have a daihatsu!!!!!!!!
why dont you back up your talk on the V6s with advice on what adaptors
fit??, & where you can get them from??,how much they are??are they
complex to fit???do they bolt up to a hatsu trany-case??or do you need an
alternative?? I.E hilux ??.. OK, & as for drive train,,yes that has been
changed as well,buts thats a whole diferent topic!!
I am not very mechanicly minded,what information I give is what I have
learnt by costly trial & error,& if this info can help somone else, im glad

[murcod]

So you can buy an adaptor to fit a Commy V6 to a Feroza gearbox? Unlikely and the box wouldn't survive long. It's no different to the Vitara transplant mentioned above- you'd need basically a new drivetrain. At least with the Vitara option you can buy the whole lot as a factory matched set and don't need a Holden engine fitted with aftermarket adaptors and a Toyota box/ transfer case .

[Kickingback99]

So would the commodore v6 be called something different if it is here in the U.S.? Isn't Holden owned by General Motors?

[pigletracing]

Im not 100% sure,but I have been looking on ebay for S/Chargers or
s/charged V6 motors & have found some buick V6 motors,they look
the same but they usually mention they have to be modified to fit a
commadore,ie sumps ect,but dont forget you will probably have to mod
your sump in a 4x4 conversion or your dif will do it for you,
my dif totaly ate mine,when the bump stops broke

[lay80n]

So would the commodore v6 be called something different if it is here in the U.S.? Isn't Holden owned by General Motors?

Until the alloytech motors a few years ago, the holden V6 was nearly the same as the old school buick V6. When holden first fitted the V6 to the VN commadore (late 80's) it was already 20 years old, and until the alloytech motors came out a few years ago, it was just a tarted up cast iron heap of sh*t.

Layto....

[murcod]

The "Alloytechs" aren't much better for refinement. I couldn't believe a "modern" engine design could have such a low redline and be so harsh when I first drove one....

A Buick 3.8l V6 should be almost the same as the older engine being talked about above. I believe they were used in a lot of FWD GM vehicles in the USA?

[MightyMouse]

Does the V6 stay cool ? Hilux to V6's seem to be an issue and require
expensive radiators to fix. What's the go with a Feroza ?

And on a Vitara V6 - they arn't much of a motor either IMO.

An option on transmissions for the a Feroza is an auto... its the same as
used behind Jeeps, 4 & 6 Cylinder Vitara'a. This trans was also used on
other commercial and passenger cars so a range of bellhousings exist.

They are a bit rare for a Feroza, and not cheap, but they are out there.

[Gwagensteve]

And with the right combination of bits would allow a 3RZFE 2.7 hilux motor which might be the best 4cyl offroad petrol motor ever, and a sensible swap into anything that originally ran a 4 clyinder.

(PS I have no idea if one could acutally be made to fit, but it souldn't be far off.)

The 3RZ has a lot of stroke and heaps of bottom end so it should be very tolerant of less than ideal gearing.

Steve.

[murcod]

Yes, it's been done : http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=8842&

http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=33779&

Pity the pics are all lost.

[pigletracing]

MIGHTY MOUSE I found a cheap fix for cooling,for around $200 from most
wreckers,you will get a factory AU falcon radiator & shrouded twin thermo
fan setup,mine is mounted on the tray,as powersteer cooler & autotrans
cooler(commy air conditioner core,modified) 16"thermos & winch live up
front,if youhave space for it up front it would stay cooler,but no probs
with heat yet

[MightyMouse]

Now you have done it Steve..... Another option to investigate.
If it would fit it would be a mean setup.