Notice: We request that you don't just set up a new account at this time if you are a previous user.
If you used to be one of our moderators, please feel free to reach out to Chris via the facebook Outerlimits4x4 group and he will get you set back up with access should he need you.
Recovery:If you cannot access your old email address and don't remember your password, please click here to log a change of email address so you can do a password reset.

Danman.'s Tech thread

Tech Talk for Suzuki owners.

Moderators: lay80n, sierrajim

Posts: 524
Joined: Thu Apr 28, 2005 10:54 am
Location: (rushcreek) north brisbane

Post by bigmick »

danman. wrote:34-36 inch tyres sprung under?? :? :? :?

whatever floats your boat...

munch munch gaurds for lunch mmmh
Image
just had to add pick of my old one.
spring under on 36s.
those who said 31 are for skirts.
also ive been out driven bye well set up zooks on 31 and 33s. :oops:
zook
Posts: 71
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:13 pm

Post by danman. »

Seeing your an engineer can you explain why SPUA is so bad.
jim it doesnt take an engineer to see why a spring over flexs up better than spring under..

just have a think about it... im sure you can draw a few diagrams and figure it out for urself.. ;)


nice flex out of your truck mick... lovin it..

tyres look so big on those diffs.. love it though..
Posts: 572
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:17 pm
Location: Mooroolbark Vic

Post by Jaffa »

Im not Jim, or an engineer, just because a particular setup flexes more than another setup doesn't mean its better, I could disconnect one end of my leaf spring and the shocks it would flex a huge amount, but it would be absolutly useless.

I just though as an engineer you could explain why the slightly more(?) flex from a SPOA is better than the flex from every SPUA car.

and again do you of dont you own a sierra?
God Of Emo
Posts: 7350
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:04 pm
Location: Newy, home of the ZOOK (Rockin the 'diff)

Post by lay80n »

sierrajim wrote:
lay80n wrote:I;m not going to buy in to this argument, but instead of throwing stones at each other, lets see danman's amazing tech.
The reason for the thread.

Exactly, i was just hoping that danman would see my post, and acutally say something sensible, instead of the SHIT that is still pouring out of his mouth.

Layto....
[quote="v840"]Just between me and you, I actually really dig the Megatwon, but if anyone asks, I'm going to shitcan it as much as possible! :D[/quote]
Posts: 71
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:13 pm

Post by danman. »

Exactly, i was just hoping that danman would see my post, and acutally say something sensible, instead of the SHIT that is still pouring out of his mouth.

Layto....
layto u might as well be a victorian mate...

least u drive a SPOA zook..
Posts: 1889
Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:23 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by just cruizin' »

Just for the record Danman, what field to you have an Engineering Degree in and from what University.
Posts: 918
Joined: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:46 am
Location: Western Brisbane

Post by Highway-Star »

Mate if tutors at uni behaved like this they would be sacked!!!
Some crazy bloody tutorial.

Anyway, I'm an engineering student, and depending on the definition of flex I cannot see for the life of me how SOA will flex more than SUA; Danman what course do I need to take???

Possibility: The front bumpstops on a SUA vehicle hit the axle housings, in a SOA arrangement they might not? (someone with SOA clarify)?. So possibly more uptravel is due to the further distance required to travel to reach the bumpstop. You could achieve this in a SUA format, I can think of at least 2 ways of doing so whilst still using the same springs.

The fact is its still the same spring, and he spring itself will not behave that differently. Extra wheel offset or spacers will increase leverage and apply more force to the springs, overcoming their stiffness better.

Danman if you claim to be the tutor, why the hell dont you answer the question straight, thats what good tutors do. You sound more like a politician, sure you didn't take law at uni instead of engineering???
Wheeling on completely wicked angles, without even looking stable.
Posts: 1889
Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:23 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by just cruizin' »

Those that can do, those that can't teach, those with no friggin idea tutor
User avatar
NIK
Posts: 974
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:13 pm
Location: Newcastle

Post by NIK »

So whats the point of this?
Are we trying to figure how to fit 31s on a zook
What flexes better
Whos got the biggest penis I mean tyres
Who knows more
Vic vs NSW


Nik
Posts: 4583
Joined: Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:57 pm
Location: Wheeling in my backyard

Post by sierrajim »

NIK wrote:So whats the point of this?
Are we trying to figure how to fit 31s on a zook
What flexes better
Whos got the biggest Pencil. I mean tyres
Who knows more
Vic vs NSW


Nik
Nope, just letting Dan make himself look like a big Pencil after his broad statement that SPUA is crap and that you HAVE to have SPOA on a car to be even thought of as serious. :lol:
[quote="Harb"]Well I'm guessing that they didn't think everyone would carry on like a big bunch of sooky girls over it like they have........[/quote]
Posts: 1889
Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:23 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by just cruizin' »

Dan the man has gone very quiet, 8:00pm may be his bed time
Posts: 2297
Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:23 pm
Location: Melbourne-Australia

Post by MightyMouse »

This is getting better by the minute - go for it guys

As Cj said in another thread - popcorn at the ready :popcorn:
Posts: 5634
Joined: Sun May 08, 2005 10:07 pm
Location: diagonally parked in a parralell universe

Post by fool_injected »

I tried to stay out of this thread but I couldn't :lol:
R E P O S T
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... t=engineer
[url=http://www.4x4masters.com.au/]Australian 4X4 Masters Series website[/url]

non illegitimi carborundum!

[url=http://www.suzuki4wd.com.au/forum/]Suzuki 4wd Club of NSW forum[/url]
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

I think my sig says it all, but anyway...

Danman, as you are an engineer and running the tutorial, please explain the following, feel free to use powerpoint if you wish:

The working limits of spring steel, the SPOA cars I have seen seem to bend/break leaves unless they are bumpstopped to have about the same flex as a SPUA car.

The effect of SPOA on roll centre

The effect of SPOA on COG

How two springs of the same rate and free camber know where the axke is located when it comes to how much flex they have.

I am acutally serious, please consult you textbooks and explain this stuff.

My understanding is that SPOA raises roll centre dramatically for the same overall lift height compared to a SPUA car running say 2" springs and 2" BL. In VIC, we have lots of muddy hillclimbs etc with nasty ruts that need to be hit with momentum. We have found that the combination of higher roll centre and higher COG of SPOA cars makes them less predictable in these conditions.

There is absolutely no difference in effort between building either setup properly, except to say that with SPOA more complex systems are being interfered with so the builder needs a better understanding of engineering and safety to build the car properly.

There is no difference in finished height.

There is no difference in wheel travel once the SPOA car is bumpstopped properly so the springs last.

There is no differnce in the tyre size either setup can run.

The SPOA cars are more suited to NSW conditions because of the type of
obstacles in NSW. Likewise SPUA in VIC.

I am sure that your car could spank me if I was in NSW with my car, and likewise for a SPOA car in victoria. NSW built cars do poorly down here.

I'm not anti SPOA, I AM anti bootyfab and anti people making outrageous claims for their cars.

Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

Gwagensteve wrote:I AM anti bootyfab and anti people making outrageous claims for their cars.

Steve.
Oh, that's right, I forgot to read my own Sig.... You don't "know" any of this stuff, it's just stuff you have been told.

You might be better to confine your comments to engineering principles only, rather than specifically about suzukis because what you have been told about them is not important. So fell free to answer my questions on COG, Roll centre and the properties and working ranges of spring steel. this information isn't brand specific, and you shoudl have been told this stuff by a professor or lecturer at Uni so you shoudl be able to answer that with some authority.

Oh and Google "Jeep custom concept vehicle" on Pirate if you want an idea of where this thread is heading. :D
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
God Of Emo
Posts: 7350
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:04 pm
Location: Newy, home of the ZOOK (Rockin the 'diff)

Post by lay80n »

Gwagensteve wrote:
Gwagensteve wrote:Oh and Google "Jeep custom concept vehicle" on Pirate if you want an idea of where this thread is heading. :D
This one Steve :D
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... pt+vehicle

Layto....
[quote="v840"]Just between me and you, I actually really dig the Megatwon, but if anyone asks, I'm going to shitcan it as much as possible! :D[/quote]
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

Bingo :cool:

I think Danman should post some of the stuff he has built :D

Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Posts: 71
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:13 pm

Post by danman. »

HAHAHA.. you guys crack me up soo hard..

ah its a good laugh everytime i read stuff on here..

great entertainment guys..

you guys get so fired up about piontless things..

to be honest i dont give a crap what you guys run or where your from.. or what suits you the best or what u have or havnt built..

i just like a good laugh thats all.. and thats exactly what u guys give me..


and thats all im going to say..

end of post..

finished.. ok bye
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

danman. wrote: but hey if you guys need any help answering some more stuff you know where to find me..
So whatever with the :rofl: stuff, so you've had a laugh, can you answer my questions?

Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Pep
Posts: 189
Joined: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:39 am
Location: Caboolture, Qld

Post by Pep »

MightyMouse wrote:This is getting better by the minute - go for it guys

As Cj said in another thread - popcorn at the ready :popcorn:
Hey MightyMouse can you get Cj to pass the popcorn please

Pep
No longer the BIG Man in a Little Car!!

Now in a GUII
User avatar
cj
Posts: 1913
Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:30 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by cj »

Here you go :popcorn:

........and it's not even school holidays yet

:roll:
[quote="4WD Stuff"]
I haven't quoted Grimbo because nobody takes him seriously :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: [/quote]
Posts: 5714
Joined: Fri Nov 22, 2002 3:55 pm
Location: Perth WA.

Post by nicbeer »

danman. wrote: to be honest i dont give a crap what you guys run or where your from.. or what suits you the best or what u have or havnt built..

i just like a good laugh thats all.. and thats exactly what u guys give me..


and thats all im going to say..

end of post..

finished.. ok bye
try post in general shit chat next time, u will get more laughs there.
[url=http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?p=930942#930942&highlight=]Zook[/url]
U SUK Zook Built and Sold.
New rig is 97 80 DX. 2" list 33s
Posts: 821
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:37 pm
Location: redland bay

Post by offroader-rama »

bloody hell boys i'm glad i'm not dan the man right now i can feel the redness from his face from here i dont think you'll see him fro a while
GU Twin cab TD42T compound turbos
lwb sierra ca18det, 37" "CANT HOLD ON"
lwb sierra g16a, daily driver
https://www.suspensionstuff.com.au/shop/
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

Can someone search his IP address so we can find out whose work time he's wasting and get him the sack?

Or maybe he's the ghost of threads past, scrooge style? This is the kind of crap everyone got over in 2003 :roll:

Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

danman. wrote: i just like a good laugh thats all..
So do we mate, so do we :D
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Posts: 4882
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:36 pm
Location: Medowie, NSW

Post by redzook »

Gwagensteve wrote:
My understanding is that SPOA raises roll centre dramatically for the same overall lift height compared to a SPUA car running say 2" springs and 2" BL. In VIC, we have lots of muddy hillclimbs etc with nasty ruts that need to be hit with momentum. We have found that the combination of higher roll centre and higher COG of SPOA cars makes them less predictable in these conditions.
high roll center = less body roll = stable
Team UNDERDOG #233
WERock Australia thanks to
[url]http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com[/url]
[url]http://www.rockbuggysupply.com[/url]
User avatar
NIK
Posts: 974
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:13 pm
Location: Newcastle

Post by NIK »

I think someone has changed tact, it was all full on but now its tail between there legs it was just a joke..
Nik
Posts: 396
Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:05 pm
Location: in the shed cutting/grinding/welding mocks old shit vic

Post by mugginsmoo »

can't wait for more dribble from this idiot



Image




keep it comming
[quote="Gwagensteve"]
nope, apparently I hate suzukis so nobody should be surprised by that :roll:

Steve,[/quote]
[url=http://vic.suzuki4wd.com/]Suzuki 4WD club VIC[/url]
Posts: 2297
Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:23 pm
Location: Melbourne-Australia

Post by MightyMouse »

Perhaps we have been too hard on the guy - if we left him go, we could have had a few more laughs at his expense.
Posts: 396
Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2004 4:05 pm
Location: in the shed cutting/grinding/welding mocks old shit vic

Post by mugginsmoo »

F K the expence i want tech :D
[quote="Gwagensteve"]
nope, apparently I hate suzukis so nobody should be surprised by that :roll:

Steve,[/quote]
[url=http://vic.suzuki4wd.com/]Suzuki 4WD club VIC[/url]
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests