15B-FTE Hilux (BN65)

[Highway-Star]

Hi Toyota Guys.

Dads rebuilding an LN65 Hilux. Anyway its a long way off being finished, but we a trying to thrash out between us what a suitable engine for it will be. The car is primarily being built as a tow vehicle for his boat, will be his DD, and must keep up with the Zukes in the bush. The 2L (2.4 diesel) that was originally in the car was left upside down with the sump removed for 6 years by the previous owner, so is no good.

Anyway Dad drives a recent model Hino Dutro (4.0L TD 4cylinder) at work, and he is in love with it, reckons he can take off in 5th gear. I am under the impression that its the 15B-FTE engine.

Did a search only found one bloke who did a 3B conversion a few years back, didn't look an easy job. Anyway if anyone knows anything about doing a 15B-FTE conversion for the LN65 please inform me. I reckon the G52 wont hack the torque, anyone agree? I understand the R151 is the normal gearbox swap for the Hilux, can these be setup for the B series engine?

Any info is appreciated, thanks.

[midi73]

Hi Toyota Guys.

Dads rebuilding an LN65 Hilux. Anyway its a long way off being finished, but we a trying to thrash out between us what a suitable engine for it will be. The car is primarily being built as a tow vehicle for his boat, will be his DD, and must keep up with the Zukes in the bush. The 2L (2.4 diesel) that was originally in the car was left upside down with the sump removed for 6 years by the previous owner, so is no good.

Anyway Dad drives a recent model Hino Dutro (4.0L TD 4cylinder) at work, and he is in love with it, reckons he can take off in 5th gear. I am under the impression that its the 15B-FTE engine.

Did a search only found one bloke who did a 3B conversion a few years back, didn't look an easy job. Anyway if anyone knows anything about doing a 15B-FTE conversion for the LN65 please inform me. I reckon the G52 wont hack the torque, anyone agree? I understand the R151 is the normal gearbox swap for the Hilux, can these be setup for the B series engine?

Any info is appreciated, thanks.

Before you even get to the fitting problem, you will have to find one. They are pretty rare, and anywhere from 5 to 10 grand. I dont think that it would be a good conversion for a hilux, but the hilux buffs will have more of an idea about that. If you did make it fit, I would use the bj cruiser box and transfer.

[Tapage]

I'm agree using the Cruiser entire drive train .. 13B or 13B-T are great swaps in a Hi Lux .. but you need to keep in mind the rear centered axle ..

[Highway-Star]

I'm agree using the Cruiser entire drive train .. 13B or 13B-T are great swaps in a Hi Lux .. but you need to keep in mind the rear centered axle ..

The cruiser axles are both right hand drop arn't they?
Are the transfers divorced or incorperated like the Hilux?
From that, sounds like we would be better off getting a matching engine gearbox and drivtrain from a BJ cruiser. I assume by using entire drive train you didn't mean the axles.

As for getting ahold of one; well as I said he is a long way off of finished so will be able to look around and wait a while. I do wish he would get cracking on it though!

[dow50r]

The 3 litre prado donk would work well, the 3 litre hilux (model b4 electronics) would also work well, as would the 2.8 etc etc...A 7m gte from a supra fits snuggly, there are other motors aswell, the 14bt aswell as 14b are both strong motors found in dynas...u could theoretically pick up a truck for the motor cheaper than a motor itself...saw a 14b in a 7 tonnedyna a few weeks ago for 3k

[Tapage]

I'm agree using the Cruiser entire drive train .. 13B or 13B-T are great swaps in a Hi Lux .. but you need to keep in mind the rear centered axle ..

The cruiser axles are both right hand drop arn't they?
Are the transfers divorced or incorperated like the Hilux?
From that, sounds like we would be better off getting a matching engine gearbox and drivtrain from a BJ cruiser. I assume by using entire drive train you didn't mean the axles.

As for getting ahold of one; well as I said he is a long way off of finished so will be able to look around and wait a while. I do wish he would get cracking on it though!

Land Cruiser axles are right hand 3rd member ( pass side por me LHD ) if your hi lux have centered rear axle could be an important issue mathing it to a non centered DS ..

The t-cases from a Land Cruiser are mathed ( not divorced )

[bj on roids]

get the 15B-FTE like he wants,

then mate it up to a cruiser 5 speed and transfer case, use a B series cruiser bellhousing, and 13BT clutch, whack some 60 series diffs in spring over, jobs done.

[Tapage]

get the 15B-FTE like he wants,

then mate it up to a cruiser 5 speed and transfer case, use a B series cruiser bellhousing, and 13BT clutch, whack some 60 series diffs in spring over, jobs done.

Its a pretty nice plan .. and could be totaly painless ..

[Highway-Star]

get the 15B-FTE like he wants,

then mate it up to a cruiser 5 speed and transfer case, use a B series cruiser bellhousing, and 13BT clutch, whack some 60 series diffs in spring over, jobs done.

Dont think he's to keen to do an axle swap, will speak to him later about it though.

Arn't the newer cruiser wagons (100 and 80...) a centred rear diff, with RH front drop? What about a newer model box and transfer with the b series bellhousing and clutch? of course mated to the 15B with the standard Hilux diffs?

Oh also, whats required to fit the cruiser box and transfer under the hilux tunnel, any tunnel reshaping, a BL, rear mount altering, custom crossmember?

Sorry guys but I know only a limited amount about Hilux's, and very little about Cruisers.

Hey dow50r I havn't read anything on 14B's... Found generally info on 3B, 13B and 15B. The 3B sounds a bit too dated for what he wants; 13B seemed a reasonable option, 15B sounded excelent thats all. Also the 2.8 is his backup plan, i.e. if this and a few other options hes toying with turn out unfeasible he will put a 3L 2.8 in it and whack on some boost. Just wants something that will tow his boat without being too uhappy (800kg twin hull unit he built), thats why he will definitly being going diesel, and why he would prefer the higher capacity of the 15B. The trucks he drives at work are the 2.8 Dyna, some crappy mazda thing, and the 4.0 Dutro. He's happy with the Dyna, but loves the Dutro.

Tapage, I get your comment about toally painless, this is a steep learning curve for both of us. He has built only one car before, just not this thoroughly. Anyway it was only a Rambler Hornet with 253 and Trimatic etc. I've never built a car before, but I'm keen .

[midi73]

This may help :

5.4 Engine Specifications
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Legend
FUEL
ID - Indirect Injection Diesel
DD - Direct Injection Diesel
EID - Electronically Indirect Injection Diesel
T - Turbo
EFIG - Gas Electronic Fuel Injection

DISP TORQUE BORExSTROKE COMP
MODEL (CC) CYL FUEL HP@RPM FT-LB@RPM VALVES (mm) (mm) RATIO
B (GAS) 3386 6 G 85@3600 159@???? 12 OHV 84x102 6.4:1

B 2977 4 ID 80@3600 141@2200 8 OHV 95x105 21:1
2B 3168 4 ID 93@3600? 159@2200 8 OHV 98x105 21:1
3B 3431 4 ID 90@3500 159@2200 8 OHV 102x105 20:1
13B-T 3431 4 TDD 120@3400 210@2000 8 OHV 102x105 17.6:1
14B 3661 4 DD 96@3400 177@2200 8 OHV 102x112 18.0:1
15B-FT 4104 4 TDD 155@3200 288@1800 16 OHV

F (-60) 3878 6 G 105@3200 189@2000 12 OHV 90x102 6.8:1
F (60-) 3878 6 G 125@3600 209@2000 12 OHV 90x102 7.5:1
2F 4230 6 G 135@3600 210@1800 12 OHV 94x102 7.8:1
3F 3955 6 G 155@4000 219@3000 12 OHV 94x95
3F-EFI 3955 6 EFIG 155@4200 220@2200 12 OHV 94x95 8.1:1

1FZ-??? 4477 6 G 138@???? Low compression engine for low grade fuel
1FZ-F 4477 6 G 190@4400 268@2800 24DOHC 100x95 9.0:1
1FZ-FE 4477 6 EFIG 212@4600 275@3000 24DOHC 100x95 9.0:1

H 3576 6 ID 90@3600 151@2200 12 OHV 88x98 21.0:1
H 3576 6 ID 95@3600 159@2200 12 OHV 88x98 19.5:1
2H 3980 6 ID 103@3500 177@2000 12 OHV 91x102 20.7:1
12H-T 3980 6 TDD 135@3500 231@2000 12 OHV 91x102 18.6:1

1HD-T 4163 6 TDD 165@3600 268@2000 12SOHC 94x100 18.6:1
1HD-FT 4163 6 TDD 168@3600 280@2500 24SOHC 94x100 18.6:1
1HZ 4163 6 ID 135@4000 187@2200 12SOHC 94x100 22.7:1

1KZ-T 2982 4 TID 125@3600 218@2000 8 96x103 21.2:1
1KZ-TE 2982 4 EID 130@3600 213@2000 8 96x103 21.2:1

2L 2446 4 ID 72@4000 115@2200 8SOHC 92x92 22.3:1
2L-T 2446 4 TID 86@4000 139@2400 8SOHC 92x92 20.0:1
2L-TII 2446 4 TID 90@4000 159@2400 8SOHC 92x92 21.0:1

1PZ 3469 5 ID 115@4000 170@2600 10SOHC 94x100 22.7:1

22R 2367 4 G 105@4800 136@2800 8SOHC 92x89 9.0:1
22R-E 2367 4 EFIG 114@4600 192@3400 8SOHC 92x89 9.0:1

[+dj_hansen+]

Hows that.. the little old 2L has the 2nd highest compression ratio...

Sorry.. back on topic

For all the effort you are looking at going to... just buy a HZJ75, the motor, box, chassis, suspension and diff are already there built for towing, spend $5k on a decent turbo setup and you will be laughing.

Hilux's are a great vehicle, but not really designed for any heavy towing.

[Tapage]

Hilux's are a great vehicle, but not really designed for any heavy towing.

it is a pretty true comment ..

I said painless coz you don't need to create bell housing or made it .. jut found part and put it together, and made a new cross member .. but this part it's easy.

[midi73]

Hows that.. the little old 2L has the 2nd highest compression ratio...

Sorry.. back on topic

For all the effort you are looking at going to... just buy a HZJ75, the motor, box, chassis, suspension and diff are already there built for towing, spend $5k on a decent turbo setup and you will be laughing.

Hilux's are a great vehicle, but not really designed for any heavy towing.

Yes I would agree. Unless they totaly love there lux and never want to part with it, it is not really worth the major effort.

[Highway-Star]

OK, he nearly bought a BJ73 (MWB) from just up the road, was a good buy, but he found there was not enough leg room in it. So when he went to a car yard next he sat in every 70 series he could find, and reckons he cant get comfortable in them due to lack of leg room. Yeah the latest 70 series lot are better I know, but can't afford the price of the more modern units. I told him to buy a 47 instead but wasn't interested.

I know the lux is not a perfect tow vehicle, but its gotta be better than our Sierras (no we havn't tried it and wont) and the XJ cherokee which just guzzles the fuel when towing the boat. It took me a while to convince him buying a 2nd XJ was not the best option. He wont own a Nissan after having the VL turbo commodore, hated the engine to buggery. Wont own a Rover of any discription due to a pretty poor view he has of them. He likes his Jeeps, but none are really suitable tow vehicle (something he's finally gotten ahold of). Dont even suggest a Mitsubishi 4WD, he would have a fit. He isn't the biggest Hilux fan, but this one came up cheap and he does respect the potential they have. As for land cruisers, as above but He wont own a coiled one, some stupid idea he's got about coiled cruisers being town cars! Was considering buying a Holden ute (Kingswood era) with 308 etc as a tow unit, and keeping the Zuk for in the bush, but Mum just stared at him, the answer was no to anything over 6cylinder, but she would 'prefer' 4cylinder; and no to owning two cars for him.

Suggested the axle swap possibility to him last night; said if he could get it legally complianced he would 'think about it'. Told him thats his problem to talk to a QT engineer.

Sorry about the length of my posts. I'm working with a stubborn father, and he's very set in his ways. Everything so far appreciated, Thanks, Toyota section seems more consistantly sane then the Zuk section .

Midi73, that list is great, thank you very much.

[shorty_f0rty]

what about a 45 ute? or a 47 troopy? do any of these come with 1HZ? they'd have to have more room than a 70 surely?

either that or get a hj62 (12HT) and ute it or leave as is.. should be an awesome tow vehicle.

[Highway-Star]

what about a 45 ute? or a 47 troopy? do any of these come with 1HZ? they'd have to have more room than a 70 surely?

either that or get a hj62 (12HT) and ute it or leave as is.. should be an awesome tow vehicle.

Yeah I suggested that to him, but wasn't too keen. I think he's getting too used to useless creature comforts like air con. I'm almost 100% sure the ute and troopy came with H motors; and I know he likes the 2H.

He does not need a Ute, just preferable. He's carrying his gear around in his Sierra at the moment, and its not ideal though adequate. Also he prefers the manuverability of the smaller vehicles, and thats one reservation he has with the hilux, its poor turning circle.

[bj on roids]

what about a 45 ute? or a 47 troopy? do any of these come with 1HZ? they'd have to have more room than a 70 surely?

either that or get a hj62 (12HT) and ute it or leave as is.. should be an awesome tow vehicle.

70 series have a shocking turning circle,

40s had a h or 2H tand 40s stopped in 1984~5 (Rare as)

1hz engines started in like 1991

[dogbreath_48]

If leg room is the only thing he has against the 70 series he should try one with an aftermarket seat. The seats in my troopy sit a fair bit higher than the stock seats (and a little further back i think) and at 6'4 i sit quite comfortably.

It does sound like he's well attached to the 'lux though.

IMO the heavy engine up front and light rear end could take away from the lux's normal 'easy driving'

-Stu

[flyinwall]

suprisingly would you believe hilux's actually have more leg room than cruisers

[midi73]

suprisingly would you believe hilux's actually have more leg room than cruisers

Yes I would believe it after driving a lux back to QLD from Melb. Took me a bit to get used to mine again. The main reason is that the transmision tunnel is bigger in the cruiser, so not alowing room to get your feet downd past the clutch pedal. Apart from that my midi is quite comfortable and I am 6'2".
By the way that could pose a bit of a problem putting a cruiser box etc into the lux with the smaller tunnel.

[Highway-Star]

By the way that could pose a bit of a problem putting a cruiser box etc into the lux with the smaller tunnel.

Was thinking the exact same thing. The Hilux has a somehwat different arrangment under neath the floor though. The Cruiser doesn't have the rediculously low hanging transfer crossmember for example. The Hilux floorpan is almost flat apart from a slight bulge in the middle for the transmission. How different is the 40 series box and transfer from the 5 speed, I think theres a 40 series ute up the bush, can take the box out of it maybe and see how it would fit (it wouldnt function just a size guide).

Oh yeah, I asked him, and he's not interested in selling the Hilux for something else now (though I reckon he would for the 'right' car).

Dad reckons the 70 might be livable as an auto (no clutch pedal). What surprised dad most the fact that our tiny Zukes have more leg room then a cruiser, but then again they have a tunnel the size of a shoebox.

[midi73]

By the way that could pose a bit of a problem putting a cruiser box etc into the lux with the smaller tunnel.

Was thinking the exact same thing. The Hilux has a somehwat different arrangment under neath the floor though. The Cruiser doesn't have the rediculously low hanging transfer crossmember for example. The Hilux floorpan is almost flat apart from a slight bulge in the middle for the transmission. How different is the 40 series box and transfer from the 5 speed, I think theres a 40 series ute up the bush, can take the box out of it maybe and see how it would fit (it wouldnt function just a size guide).

Oh yeah, I asked him, and he's not interested in selling the Hilux for something else now (though I reckon he would for the 'right' car).

Dad reckons the 70 might be livable as an auto (no clutch pedal). What surprised dad most the fact that our tiny Zukes have more leg room then a cruiser, but then again they have a tunnel the size of a shoebox.

40 boxes are pretty much the same as 70 boxes. I have a bj42 box and transfer in my bj73. I only had to change the top plate on the g/box, and transfer lever and rods.

[Highway-Star]

That 40 box I was hoping to check out wasn't in the car, and I dont think the car is a 40 anyway.

See my general tech thread: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=119024

Thanks midi73, still may allow us to use one for a size guide If we find one. You meen all 40 boxes, or just the 4 speed, surely the older 3 speeds are different?

[midi73]

That 40 box I was hoping to check out wasn't in the car, and I dont think the car is a 40 anyway.

See my general tech thread: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=119024

Thanks midi73, still may allow us to use one for a size guide If we find one. You meen all 40 boxes, or just the 4 speed, surely the older 3 speeds are different?

I was refering to 5 speed. 70s dont come with a 4 speed to my knowledge.
I have know idea about 3 speed. You dont want to go near one of them anyway.

[Highway-Star]

That 40 box I was hoping to check out wasn't in the car, and I dont think the car is a 40 anyway.

See my general tech thread: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=119024

Thanks midi73, still may allow us to use one for a size guide If we find one. You meen all 40 boxes, or just the 4 speed, surely the older 3 speeds are different?

I was refering to 5 speed. 70s dont come with a 4 speed to my knowledge.
I have know idea about 3 speed. You dont want to go near one of them anyway.

No no, sorry. The BJ40, you said above you had a BJ42 box and transfer in your BJ73, is that the 4 speed from the BJ42 or an earlier 3 speed? I've never seen a 70 with a 4 speed either .

My Uncle popped over yesterday, convinient anyway he's got a HZJ80, so me and dad were crawling around under it. Transfer is a serious issue for fitting to the Lux we reckon. The gearbox doesn't seem so much of an issue, the bellhousing size would hopefully be smaller on a B engine over the H. My uncle also informs me he's got a mate selling his BJ40 real cheap, dad might be intested for the drivetrain, although I suspect it would only be a 3B engine, in which case I reckon the 3L would be a better swap anyway.

Question to Lux people, Is the standard LN65 transfer as weak as the Gearbox? What I mean is everyone reckons the standard gearbox (G52, L52 whatever its actually called) is not up to very much, however no-one seems to state the standard transfer case as an issue. Just thinking setting up a Landcruiser box in front of the Hilux transfer might solve a few issue, namely the one of tailshaft alignment. Dont expect it to be a straight bolt up, may require a bit of work if we were to do it.

[roscoFJ73]

Just so everyone knows,the last model Coasters used the 1HD FTE engine but that has now gone out of production and has been replaced by the 15BT FTE as of 07
Maybe a few of these gems will end up in cruisers;)

[Shadow]

suprisingly would you believe hilux's actually have more leg room than cruisers

No i would not believe it.

I'm 6'4 and hilux's are a cramped sheethole, my 60 series, brothers 80 series, and dads 100series all have craploads more legroom than any hilux ive ever driven, and ive driven a 92, 94, 00, 03 and 07, all have legroom problems for me.

Cant say for the earlier hilux's, and havent spent much time in 40 series cruisers either.

[dogbreath_48]

suprisingly would you believe hilux's actually have more leg room than cruisers

No i would not believe it.

I'm 6'4 and hilux's are a cramped sheethole, my 60 series, brothers 80 series, and dads 100series all have craploads more legroom than any hilux ive ever driven, and ive driven a 92, 94, 00, 03 and 07, all have legroom problems for me.

Cant say for the earlier hilux's, and havent spent much time in 40 series cruisers either.

I think he was referring to 70's, not the big wagons!

I agree that the lux's (at leasy #N106's) have more room than the 7#'s

-Stu

[midi73]

That 40 box I was hoping to check out wasn't in the car, and I dont think the car is a 40 anyway.

See my general tech thread: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... p?t=119024

Thanks midi73, still may allow us to use one for a size guide If we find one. You meen all 40 boxes, or just the 4 speed, surely the older 3 speeds are different?

I was refering to 5 speed. 70s dont come with a 4 speed to my knowledge.
I have know idea about 3 speed. You dont want to go near one of them anyway.

No no, sorry. The BJ40, you said above you had a BJ42 box and transfer in your BJ73, is that the 4 speed from the BJ42 or an earlier 3 speed? I've never seen a 70 with a 4 speed either .

No, it is the 5 speed from an 84 model BJ42. It is exactly the same box as the one's in BJ73s, except for the top plate and linkages on the transfer.

[midi73]

suprisingly would you believe hilux's actually have more leg room than cruisers

No i would not believe it.

I'm 6'4 and hilux's are a cramped sheethole, my 60 series, brothers 80 series, and dads 100series all have craploads more legroom than any hilux ive ever driven, and ive driven a 92, 94, 00, 03 and 07, all have legroom problems for me.

Cant say for the earlier hilux's, and havent spent much time in 40 series cruisers either.

I think he was referring to 70's, not the big wagons!

I agree that the lux's (at leasy #N106's) have more room than the 7#'s

-Stu

Yep I agree with that. I reckon if you could get your foot down beside the clutch they would have about the same amount of room though.