Well, the diesel Jimny itself meets Euro4 ! It's part of being able to sell them in Europe as we have the same strict or sometimes even stricter emission regulations.
Problem might be the right hand drive as the UK does not get the diesel either whilst everyone else in Europe has LHD and gets the diesels. And as far as I know the diesel is not made in Japan but made at the Santana plant in Spain where they also build the Jimny softtop.
May also be that the steering has some clearing issues on the right hand side with the turbo or starter.
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Diesel Jimny Partisan
grimbo I'm just kinda wondering how you go about you day, I could imagine your alarm goes off to wake you up, you start arguing with it saying how it doesn't beep right and you could have slept for another 2 mins and 30 seconds cause bla bla bla than you have an argument with the toaster about the colour of your bread which is not toast to you cause it doesn't meet euro 4 standards bla bla.
this song should be called grimbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMQEx6KuEAo
this song should be called grimbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMQEx6KuEAo
Don't forget the factory cable locker and PTO system.... and some great scenery and beer in Bavaria... hmmm weisswurst, sauerkraut and beer overlookin the lakes from the monastery...Offroad-Events wrote:Got a few of them betwwen my customers. The go way better than the gasser, on- and offroad though. Lots of low end grunt for a 1.5 diesel. And to make you even more jealous, we also had the Samurai/Sierra as diesels over here
damn europeans...
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yeah very funny.gman79au wrote:grimbo I'm just kinda wondering how you go about you day, I could imagine your alarm goes off to wake you up, you start arguing with it saying how it doesn't beep right and you could have slept for another 2 mins and 30 seconds cause bla bla bla than you have an argument with the toaster about the colour of your bread which is not toast to you cause it doesn't meet euro 4 standards bla bla.
this song should be called grimbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMQEx6KuEAo
I know logic and actual common sense or god forbid some actual knowledge on the subject is so foreign to most people on here that when they see it they seem t think it is arguing or being negative. So be it, its kinda why I'm pretty much over this whole 4x4 thing and forums in general
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Look it up mate. Use your Thesaurus and you'll note there are a few ways of spelling it.
Partition refers to the seperation of an object. Petition is a request or plead whilst partisan refers to a follower, supporter or enthusiast of.
In all I suppose it depends on your point of view. This post was intended to gather as many supporters as I could for the Diesel. So before you have a crack.....learn english
Partition refers to the seperation of an object. Petition is a request or plead whilst partisan refers to a follower, supporter or enthusiast of.
In all I suppose it depends on your point of view. This post was intended to gather as many supporters as I could for the Diesel. So before you have a crack.....learn english
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they'll NEVER bring a diesel jimny into OZ,
they can't even sell what is here. in MElb there are yards with 05 plated jimnys, some yard still have jimny's with a transfer lever in them
jimny's DON'T sell, and aren't worth the money that they are asking
they can't even sell what is here. in MElb there are yards with 05 plated jimnys, some yard still have jimny's with a transfer lever in them
jimny's DON'T sell, and aren't worth the money that they are asking
[quote="Gwagensteve"]
nope, apparently I hate suzukis so nobody should be surprised by that :roll:
Steve,[/quote]
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nope, apparently I hate suzukis so nobody should be surprised by that :roll:
Steve,[/quote]
[url=http://vic.suzuki4wd.com/]Suzuki 4WD club VIC[/url]
I would agree Muggins. The Jimny has no obvious market outside of its 660cc Kei configuration in Japan, which is what it was designed for. (And they sell well in Japan in this configuration) They're not much chop as a road car, they not a utility vehicle like the sierra, they're very hard to know how to sell. A diesel one, as much as it would appeal to enthusiasts, would be even harder to sell.
I think an auto diesel jimny would be cool, but would I pay $22K+ for one? NO. I'd love to buy one in 10 years time for $5k, as woudl lots of people, but for that to work, someone has to pony up with the $$$ now and buy them, and I don't know who that would be. I don't think it would be more than three or four members of this board.
Look at the example of the Land Rover 90. Australian enthusiasts lobbied Land Rover for years and years to bring them in, and Land Rover always said they would be too expensive and they wouldn't sell any. When they finally did bring them in, they were too expensive and they didn't sell any.
I;m not trying to be negative, only realistic. Car makers aren't a charity and really don't give a flying about enthusiasts, they know they will buy the product anyway, they need a car with broad appeal, and I'm sure a diesel jimny won't increase that appeal.
Steve.
I think an auto diesel jimny would be cool, but would I pay $22K+ for one? NO. I'd love to buy one in 10 years time for $5k, as woudl lots of people, but for that to work, someone has to pony up with the $$$ now and buy them, and I don't know who that would be. I don't think it would be more than three or four members of this board.
Look at the example of the Land Rover 90. Australian enthusiasts lobbied Land Rover for years and years to bring them in, and Land Rover always said they would be too expensive and they wouldn't sell any. When they finally did bring them in, they were too expensive and they didn't sell any.
I;m not trying to be negative, only realistic. Car makers aren't a charity and really don't give a flying about enthusiasts, they know they will buy the product anyway, they need a car with broad appeal, and I'm sure a diesel jimny won't increase that appeal.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Look I'm very much a jimny enthusiast, have owned 2 NT sierra's and a coily prior all cars were great Ive had the jimny for 7 years keeping in mind eveything has its faults, its been great. But from 1998 when the jim was first introduced to oz I have seen very little advertising or promotion of this capable little car from suzuki a few ads in the early days but not much more and I'm actively looking for it so, its no wonder there not as popular as other suzuki's in oz. I'd like to get another sierra but the thought of driving a billy cart to the bush when the jimny is just as capable just doesn't ad up for me. I would buy the diesel If it were here just like the 49 other ppl on this forum and I'm sure its less than 1% of australians are using this forum too.
could I also be on the right Idea saying current sierra owners might have a little grudge about jimny's ? I mean the grass is greener but hey unless you've been there and own'ed modded and driven one how much do you really Know cause from my drivers seat I'm enjoying my jim much more than my 3 different model sierra's ive also owned especially if i'm driving say 1000km to get to my destination Just a thought....... where else can you buy a live axle 4wd for under 25k
could I also be on the right Idea saying current sierra owners might have a little grudge about jimny's ? I mean the grass is greener but hey unless you've been there and own'ed modded and driven one how much do you really Know cause from my drivers seat I'm enjoying my jim much more than my 3 different model sierra's ive also owned especially if i'm driving say 1000km to get to my destination Just a thought....... where else can you buy a live axle 4wd for under 25k
Well, seeing that the Jimny is selling like hot cakes in Europe I would disagree with you here.Gwagensteve wrote:I would agree Muggins. The Jimny has no obvious market outside of its 660cc Kei configuration in Japan, which is what it was designed for. (And they sell well in Japan in this configuration)
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gecko270 wrote:Look it up mate. Use your Thesaurus and you'll note there are a few ways of spelling it.
Partition refers to the seperation of an object. Petition is a request or plead whilst partisan refers to a follower, supporter or enthusiast of.
In all I suppose it depends on your point of view. This post was intended to gather as many supporters as I could for the Diesel. So before you have a crack.....learn english
ha ha ha ha.
I thought it was called a jimny partisan, until I read this post.
now I get the title!
my thought is, the diesel would suck. and there isn't a market for them because jimny's suck, they would need to sell triple or more of them.
I don't see the point of a little diesel in a little 4x4 when a little petrol can do a better job and be fuel efficient. sure for bigger 4x4 its great to have the choice, depending on your use, ie towing, large family, or fast big 4x4.
but who needs or is going to get big torque out of a little diesel, when similar figures and a whole lot more zing can be had in a petrol.
what is the real want for a diesel in a jimny anyway, for pops to tow his trailer to the tip.
I love the idea of the fuel efficient diesels, I've looked into getting a little car for my wife, but the outlay for them is a bit of doe. they do have great figures both torque and kw, but for me the outlay vs maintainence and amount of kays that would get put on it, I would like to see these cars in australian conditions for a few years. they may not be totally suited to the high kays we put on cars and long trips at fast speed/revs.
I may be totally off the mark with the little diesel theory. if they have half the technology that the euro trucks have, they would be pretty cool!
would you also buy a second hand high tech diesel that may not have been serviced lovingly over its first 5 years?
thanks I feel better for that!
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thats Europe, the members on this board are trying to get the diesel here in OZ,Offroad-Events wrote:Well, seeing that the Jimny is selling like hot cakes in Europe I would disagree with you here.Gwagensteve wrote:I would agree Muggins. The Jimny has no obvious market outside of its 660cc Kei configuration in Japan, which is what it was designed for. (And they sell well in Japan in this configuration)
it's because of Europe that the 1.3L and the Diesel even exist, but here in OZ they don't sell. in fact you can't even "give a jimny away"
[quote="Gwagensteve"]
nope, apparently I hate suzukis so nobody should be surprised by that :roll:
Steve,[/quote]
[url=http://vic.suzuki4wd.com/]Suzuki 4WD club VIC[/url]
nope, apparently I hate suzukis so nobody should be surprised by that :roll:
Steve,[/quote]
[url=http://vic.suzuki4wd.com/]Suzuki 4WD club VIC[/url]
Correct.
There are a number of reasons that force suzuki to produce diesel variants for the european market - about 56% of new cars sold in italy are diesel. If you don't have a diesel, you won't sell any cars.
That's not the case in Australia- There's almost no market for Jimny's and there would be less than no market for a diesel one.
The obvious next thread after this one is:
"Suzuki don't listen to thier customers because I sent them a letter saying XX members of our bulletin board want a diesel jimny and they didn't do anything about it"
These threads are a PITA because anyone who posts a reasonable point of view on them gets labeled a hater.
A) Small diesels are fairly unpopular in australia.
B) Jimny's are unpopular in australia
C) Very few new jimny's are being sold, the model is pretty much at the end of its life and will probably be legislated out of existence soon
D) of the 51 people who have voted "Yes" I would be surprised if 5 of them would actually put the cash down on one.
As an aside - how long would the front end of a jimny stand up to over 200nm of torque?
It doesn't matter how much you like the idea or how much you love jimny's, the fact is, we are extremely unlikely to get a diesel one and if we did, they too would be sitting unsold in dealers yards.
Steve.
There are a number of reasons that force suzuki to produce diesel variants for the european market - about 56% of new cars sold in italy are diesel. If you don't have a diesel, you won't sell any cars.
That's not the case in Australia- There's almost no market for Jimny's and there would be less than no market for a diesel one.
The obvious next thread after this one is:
"Suzuki don't listen to thier customers because I sent them a letter saying XX members of our bulletin board want a diesel jimny and they didn't do anything about it"
These threads are a PITA because anyone who posts a reasonable point of view on them gets labeled a hater.
A) Small diesels are fairly unpopular in australia.
B) Jimny's are unpopular in australia
C) Very few new jimny's are being sold, the model is pretty much at the end of its life and will probably be legislated out of existence soon
D) of the 51 people who have voted "Yes" I would be surprised if 5 of them would actually put the cash down on one.
As an aside - how long would the front end of a jimny stand up to over 200nm of torque?
It doesn't matter how much you like the idea or how much you love jimny's, the fact is, we are extremely unlikely to get a diesel one and if we did, they too would be sitting unsold in dealers yards.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
That's being optimistic. I think you would be lucky to find 5 people on this entire forum who would buy a Brand new Jimny wether it be Diesel or Petrol. Manufacturers don't build cars for the used car market, which i suspect most who clicked yes would be more interested in, which if is the case, your opinion doesn't matter, they only become used after someone else has bought it new.Gwagensteve wrote:D) of the 51 people who have voted "Yes" I would be surprised if 5 of them would actually put the cash down on one.
If God did not intend for us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?
Of everything said in this thread so far, this one line struck me more than anything. I agree with it, and I personally fear that the current Jimny will be the last offroader Suzuki ever builds, or at least sells in Australia.Gwagensteve wrote: C) Very few new jimny's are being sold, the model is pretty much at the end of its life and will probably be legislated out of existence soon
Sales of the Jimny has been less than stimulating since its introduction, in 1998, and I feel Suzuki will interperate this as: No one in Australia wants this type of vehicle, why bother selling them there at all... Of course this isn't true, a smallish percentage of us do, but of that percentage, even a lesser percentage would opt for the Jimny over another vehicle, or a 2nd hand unit that does what we want better, for a significantly lower cost.
There is more chance of seeing a diesel Swift, those things sell like hot cakes, and the gamble might be more attractive to a bean counting obsessed car company.
I know I have taken GwangenSteve's statement, and run with it to a bit of a tangent, and re-stated some already established views, but I think its a logical conlcusion to draw.
Wheeling on completely wicked angles, without even looking stable.
not sure If anyone read one of my earlier posts but I've found seeing advertising for the jimny has been very rare! Now in the day of leafy sierra's does anyone remember them being advertised much. cause really If a jimny is left in the woods who's gonna know its there to wanna buy it! its like suzuki don't wanna sell them. petrol or diesel!! in oz
I recently heard that Jimny's are now out of production. The 1.6 GV is the "replacement" Not sure if this is world wide or just for Australia.
This is very sad for enthusiasts, if it's the case, but in truth, for the use that most Jimny's get, the GV is probably a better car - ride, handing, room, safety - all better.
Steve.
This is very sad for enthusiasts, if it's the case, but in truth, for the use that most Jimny's get, the GV is probably a better car - ride, handing, room, safety - all better.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
Gwagensteve wrote:I recently heard that Jimny's are now out of production. The 1.6 GV is the "replacement" Not sure if this is world wide or just for Australia.
This is very sad for enthusiasts, if it's the case, but in truth, for the use that most Jimny's get, the GV is probably a better car - ride, handing, room, safety - all better.
Steve.
I'll believe it, if so it is truely the end of an era. If this is the case, this petition for the Diesel Jimny would be 100% confirmed as not plausible.
New petition; Suzuki Australia, can we have a Jimny sold in Australia?...
Wheeling on completely wicked angles, without even looking stable.
Don't know anything about the actual Diesel engine in question but...
Another thing to remember is that just because there is a Diesel engine available doesn't mean that its suitable for the quality of Diesel fuel available in Australia which is "dirty" by comparison with what's available in Europe.
There are a significant number of high tech Diesels that simply can't be sold in Aus until we get better fuel quality - and the timeline for the improvement seems to continually blowing out.
Another thing to remember is that just because there is a Diesel engine available doesn't mean that its suitable for the quality of Diesel fuel available in Australia which is "dirty" by comparison with what's available in Europe.
There are a significant number of high tech Diesels that simply can't be sold in Aus until we get better fuel quality - and the timeline for the improvement seems to continually blowing out.
( usual disclaimers )
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
Dont know where people are getting the "Jimny isnt selling thing from" i know well and true that they are, and yes the swift is selling better then the jimny and i challenge anyone to go out and see what the waiting list is for any diesel car and 4wd big or small which is why no carmakers are advertising there diesels!!!!
Please provide that information then, because on the evidence I see ( very few new jimny's on the road, old stock in yards) I just can't believe you.
Steve.
Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
I second that. Some dealer won't get one in or have a demo as they may get suck with it. They is always alot of second hands ones for sale too. No car makes adding there diesels hmm Nissan are pushing with lot of ads now. As sells will drop with the 200 seiries. Nissan are also pushing the navara. Nissan superstars etc. Yes maybe a waiting list.
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so much bs in this thread. they've sold only 485 this year (up to august), compared to over 8000 crv's, foresters, and xtrails.
and no, i didnt just pull these numbers out my ass like most here, have a look at this
http://www.autonews.net.au/static/vfact ... ug/suv.pdf
and no, i didnt just pull these numbers out my ass like most here, have a look at this
http://www.autonews.net.au/static/vfact ... ug/suv.pdf
Right.
You guys want to know why the diesel Jimny doesn't come to Australia ? Because the engine in it is made by Renault and they are as UNRELIABLE as engines get. I reckon Reanults are worse than Land Rovers for reliability (trust me, I see heaps of them every day and I know many many people who have owned Renaults and come to regret it), and Suzuki New Caledonia don't even bring them here because of this despite the fact they could get them from France.
In actual fact, bringing Renault diesel powered Jimnys into Australia would just tarnish Suzuki's reputation for reliability.
cheers,
You guys want to know why the diesel Jimny doesn't come to Australia ? Because the engine in it is made by Renault and they are as UNRELIABLE as engines get. I reckon Reanults are worse than Land Rovers for reliability (trust me, I see heaps of them every day and I know many many people who have owned Renaults and come to regret it), and Suzuki New Caledonia don't even bring them here because of this despite the fact they could get them from France.
In actual fact, bringing Renault diesel powered Jimnys into Australia would just tarnish Suzuki's reputation for reliability.
cheers,
Froggy
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Oh, and a Mazda BT-50 dual cab ute...
98 Sierra / Samurai
2 inch suspension lift
Warn winch
Lots of "home made" accessories
Oh, and a Mazda BT-50 dual cab ute...
wow what a comparison a SMALL car company selling the small Jimny to a family car i.e hondas & nissans, bit like apples and oranges dont you think??, as far as second hand ones are concerned take a look the only ones that are for sale are the same ones that have been overpriced for a long time, i am speaking from experience as i have recently been on the market
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