out of the box thinking

Post by **2roky** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:10 pm

giday all i have an idea that feroza owners may be interested in and others all so.

id like a few thoughts on the subject which is

feroza body swapped onto a rugger/rocky chassis.
keeping the 2.8 diesel or putting a bigger badder engine in its place.

was thinking that this would be an easy cheap cheat way to get a solid front axle and more power out of one of these trucks.

keeping standard diffs till hilux ones could be afforded

after a few quick measurements i carried out i think the fez body would damn near bolt straight on with only a few of the mounts needing to be changed to suit.

what do you guys think of that as an idea,
im going to go a head and try it some time within the next year or so

cam

Post by **MightyMouse** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:31 pm

IF you can get the parts at the right price then why not try it ?

Be a shame to ruin a Feroza and a Rocky so keep measuring before you start and don't underestimate the amount of "minor details" that will come up...

I assume you not concerned about being legal, as I suspect that from an engineering perspective it might be a "no go" or expensive to get approved.

But if you research first then the challenges should be minimized.

A Rockoza or a Feroky

Post by **2roky** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:09 pm

nope i plan for it to be road legal. form the few quick measurments i took of the chassis the front mounts will have to be changed the rears appear to be fine the rest im not to sure on. both vehicles are the same lenght at an approximate measure.

all engineering work will be done by and approved welder and i will build it in close conjuction with a certifier.

as for minor details these would be what brakes, fuel lines, wiring etc?
what are minor details with a job like this in your eyes.

on a separate note but following the same lines i have seen an old 70 something wagon put on a hj cruiser chassis and a falcon ute on a hilux chassis both of these are road legal so there is hope lol

dont worry i dont rush into doing things with out fully researching them and there will be no alterations done to the feroza body appart from a few panels being straightened
i think i'll have to title it feroky lol

Post by **MightyMouse** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:18 pm

Wiring, fuel lines, brake booster, steering, handbrake cables, speedo, tacho - all the general PITA items that don't stop a project but seem to take forever and cost a bucket.

Post by **dai-hard** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:55 pm

Im in the middle on FEROZAing my rocky.

The power windows bolted straight in and the door trims fit.I think the doors would bolt straight on.
The power mirrors bolt on and the rocky had the harness there with the right plugs.The control switch in the roza console fits in 1 of factory holes in the dash with the harness there when i pushed out the blank.

Got a 96 roza dash and had the tach converted to 6cyl.The plugs are the same but some on the terminals are in different places(Ive just worked out how to get the wire and pin out of the plug to move them).Will even be able to hook the commodore ecu up to the CHECK ENGINE LIGHT.

Now you guys have got my thinking

Will have to see how hard it would be to fit the whole front clip(guards bonnet etc) to the rocky.

I think they share a lot more then we think.

Post by **2roky** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:00 pm

the wiring i will get done by a auto sparky, fuel lines shouldnt have to be touched as im only swapping bodies,

it would just be a matter of hooking everything off the rocky that is needed up to the correct parts on the fez i have tracked down a couple of rocky's over here one has been writen off but i think the motor is still good, the other was one that was drowned which i will use for the chassis brakes etc. failing that i have me offroader which i can just revert the chassis back to near standard/road leagal form which i dont really want to do.

cam

Post by **dai-hard** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:21 pm

I think the overall lenght is were you will have trouble.
You would have to start with the swb rocky(mostly hardtops over here).

Post by **2roky** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:28 pm

their pretty much the same lenght. i measured it off this one http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=124154
all measurements were only approximate as i didnt have anyone to hold the other end to the tape

Post by **dai-hard** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:55 pm

If there the same lenght i couldnt see to many probs

What about the roza TRANS tunnels is it big enough or will you do the bodymounts/lift to fit.
A rocky box/tranfer is about 5 time bigger the a roza

and youre still got no ratio options

Good luck and post heaps of pics

Post by **Buggerific** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:08 pm

What is the advantage of this... Why not just put the hilux axles under a rocky?

Post by **RockyF75** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:32 am

Buggerific wrote:What is the advantage of this... Why not just put the hilux axles under a rocky?

x2

Then you won't have the ugly feroza shell sitting on top either

Post by **pigletracing** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:58 am

the new piglet is a feroza cab,cut into a ute then mounted on a scat chassis, pics on pg2 of piglet racing show the new body going on the chassis..
we suspended the body over the chassis & only 1 of the body mounts lined up so we cut off & re fabed the rest as MM said there is a lot of little shity extra things that keep on poping up,,,try not to let them give you the shits...
enginering/certifyng was very expensive,,& at the end of the day is only worth the paper its writen on ..I still krinjj every time I drive past the boys in blue good luk piglet & the new FATROZA has GU patrol running gear under

Post by **2roky** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:53 pm

the hilux diffs will follow this was just an easy way round having to do a lot of cutting and grinding to fit the 2.8 and the solid front diff, and if all i have to really change is body mounts i can live with that

Post by **Buggerific** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:09 pm

But my point is if you are aiming to get a feroza with solid front and a 2.8... Why not just get a rocky and LEAVE the rocky body on it? My question is what is the advantage of having the Roza body on the rocky chassis instead of a rocky body on a rocky chassis?

Post by **2roky** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:38 pm

no offense but i know what your point is. im wanting to do something different though. also im not a fan of the rocky shape i like the feroza plus i think it would be quite a cool project to do

Post by **Buggerific** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:27 pm

Fair enough... I wasn't sure if there was some substantial advantage that I hadn't thought of...

But yeah, the rocky shape is a little tall for it's width but I don't mind the hardtop ones instead of the resin ones that pop up that little bit extra.

Post by **2roky** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:58 am

the one advantage although only slight would be the center of gravity being slightly lower than the rocky. plus it would have the cool factor that all the other standard roza's haven't got lol

i'll be leaving mine full cab i wont be turning it into a single cab though. thats another project for when i have more time and money lol

Post by **MightyMouse** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 7:14 am

Out of interest, the Feroza body you are measuring - is it a wide or narrow tack ?

I know the two Feroza bodies are not interchangeable, but its helpful as a "reference" point for us.

Post by **2roky** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:15 am

its a rocky SX (jap import into nz) or as its better known feroza sx it has the plastic flares on it
so im guessing that is a wide track

the body i'll use

this is the chassis i'll use (not this one but i have access to another)

Post by **ferozamaniac** » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:04 pm

Yours isnt a widetrack. Look the picture of a widetrack Feroza

Post by **2roky** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:01 pm

in that case we have no wide tracks over here in nz. we have ones like mine with the plastic flares and a few without

Post by **Goatse.AJ** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 8:56 pm

ferozamaniac wrote:Yours isnt a widetrack. Look the picture of a widetrack Feroza

Haha, that's Mike Hennessy's old 'Roza. He's the man that got more people into modding Ferozas than anybody.

Post by **meece4x4** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:52 am

2roky wrote:in that case we have no wide tracks over here in nz. we have ones like mine with the plastic flares and a few without

hey 2Roky, Ive seen one widetrac in Whangarei, was in a local dealers when i was looking at buying mine, was a jap import as well, was a nice looking beastie but the clutch was gone on it and the transfer case wouldnt engage 4wd LO so i flagged it,

Im running aftermarket alloys on mine that have a slightly different offset tha has widened my track around 70mm from the stock f300, warrent time next week, will be interesting to see if they bleat about it, the tyres are in the guards,, *just* .. spent last weekend puting the swaybar back on and cranking down the suspension to factory hieght so's i dont get pinged and end up having to cert the bloodly thing.

Post by **mickeydrippin60** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:15 pm

it must b said i like that front bumper lol

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