I just bought my first 4WD and want to rig it up to be able to tackle some rough terrain.
It's a '92 Mitsubishi J-Top Pajero (2.5L Turbo Diesel). It's had its torsion bars twisted to give as much lift as possible but I hear this isn't such a good thing.
I'd like to get a set of 'real' tyres to put onto it. Example: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4x4-4wd-Tyres-Mi ... dZViewItem
I'd imagine I'd need to do a body lift first. Can someone tell me what I need to do to be able to fit these things on? What are the limits of the truck?
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J-Top lift - what are my limits?
Moderator: -Scott-
drive it around for a while and get used to its limits as a std truck if its your first 4wd. if you go rigging it up for hard out trips you may just end up getting into situations beyond your limits. also by learing how to drive it first you will be able to limit your driveline breakages. put 35s on straight away and you will be blowing cvs and rear axles like they are going out of fasion.
but to fit them on, you will need landcrusier offset rims (only 15s that fit, but those tyres are 16s so no worries there), to clear the calipers, and on mine i did a 2" bodylift, lwb raised king springs in the rear, wound the torsions up and did the balljoint flip. i also had to massage the rear of the front wheel arch/guard and remove the bumper corners. posibly would have to remove the rear bumper to. not sure on this as mine was already off when i had 35s on.
if your not keen to massage it you will probly need a bigger bodylift to clear them.
you may also find the little 2.5 doesnt have the power to push them, but mines petrol so i dont have much experience there.
Sam
but to fit them on, you will need landcrusier offset rims (only 15s that fit, but those tyres are 16s so no worries there), to clear the calipers, and on mine i did a 2" bodylift, lwb raised king springs in the rear, wound the torsions up and did the balljoint flip. i also had to massage the rear of the front wheel arch/guard and remove the bumper corners. posibly would have to remove the rear bumper to. not sure on this as mine was already off when i had 35s on.
if your not keen to massage it you will probly need a bigger bodylift to clear them.
you may also find the little 2.5 doesnt have the power to push them, but mines petrol so i dont have much experience there.
Sam
93 jtop pajero, SAS'd (almost)... http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125224
Only thing I can add, is stick to a set of 33 inch tyres or 285/75/16 which measure just over 33 inch.
The only thing 35's will give you is bragging rights at the bar, by the time they fit (spring lift, body lift, free wheeling hubs, massaging front guard) you' will then decide you haven't enough power on the road and gearing off the road will be terrrrrrible. Pajero's are not geared low enough on standard tyres let alone 35's.
Remember you rear locker will be of far more advantage than 35 inch tyres.
The only thing 35's will give you is bragging rights at the bar, by the time they fit (spring lift, body lift, free wheeling hubs, massaging front guard) you' will then decide you haven't enough power on the road and gearing off the road will be terrrrrrible. Pajero's are not geared low enough on standard tyres let alone 35's.
Remember you rear locker will be of far more advantage than 35 inch tyres.
1994 NJ SWB, 3.5, 5 speed manual, 33's, XD9000, 4.9 diffs, Front & Rear ARB's, Safari Snorkel
2008-2009-2010-2011 Pavlova in the shed.
2008-2009-2010-2011 Pavlova in the shed.
Re: J-Top lift - what are my limits?
Isn't such a good thing why?lmacka wrote:It's had its torsion bars twisted to give as much lift as possible but I hear this isn't such a good thing.
Pajero CVs cope pretty well with some significant lift, so don't listen to the "2 inches maximum lift" brigade.
Winding the torsion bars does not make them stiffer - if anything, it reduces the effective spring rate, but it's doubtful that the difference is noticeable.
The biggest problem created by winding torsion bars is reduction of clearance to the droop stops (the upper ones) - the wheel can't drop into a hole, so the whole front end does. If you truly have "as much lift as possible" you would be on the stops, and it would ride terribly.
Is there another "reason" why "cranking" torsion bars isn't such a good thing?
not only that. but it wasnt his first modified swb pajero, its true, the gearing on a paj doestn reaaaaaly warant 35"s. The best gears we can get for a paj transfer are only as good as patrols and what not come with from the factory and are not even close to half the reduction of zuks and what not.-Scott- wrote:For those not aware, Grant put 35s behind a 3.5 V6, and put them to good use. And it wasn't his first modified 4by either.Grantw wrote:35's are not worth the effort.... enough said.
Stick to 33's.
Personally, I take his advice seriously.
33"s will do most of what you want anyways, i was given the same advice if you search back through some threads about 3 years ago to learn to drive what i had. As much as i didnt totally listen, my shorty was never crazy modified, still drove it daily and it went A LOT of places, and a lot of places people and i didnt think it would. That was 2" lift, 33"s and thats it. was a great car, and even though iv got a crazy lwb paj now, i still miss the shorty, everythings got its merits.
drive it for now, change as you go/need. just wheel the piss out of it
dean
Thanks for the input guys - much appreciated. Sorry I haven't replied - been away.
To answer some questions...
- I don't know exactly how much the torsion bars have been wound. I'll check tonight, but I don't think they'd be against the stops.
- Don't know the ratios... I'll check the paperwork I got with the car this evening.
Dean, I think that's where I'll end up. A set of decent 33"s and a 2 or maybe 4" lift.
Next question is - where would I get a body lift kit? I searched eBay but all I found were these strange body slimming skin-suits. Not exactly what I was after...
I took the J for a drive on the weekend - loved it! The 29" ATs it's got on it are alright, but they don't handle the steep climbs or mud too well. I was pretty impressed with how it bounced straight up the climbs while my mate's LWD Pajero v6 petrol struggled with them.
I learnt a valuable lesson;
Although it's great fun driving around with the roof down, be prepared to have a bucketload of shit in the back when you get home. hehehe
To answer some questions...
- I don't know exactly how much the torsion bars have been wound. I'll check tonight, but I don't think they'd be against the stops.
- Don't know the ratios... I'll check the paperwork I got with the car this evening.
Dean, I think that's where I'll end up. A set of decent 33"s and a 2 or maybe 4" lift.
Next question is - where would I get a body lift kit? I searched eBay but all I found were these strange body slimming skin-suits. Not exactly what I was after...
I took the J for a drive on the weekend - loved it! The 29" ATs it's got on it are alright, but they don't handle the steep climbs or mud too well. I was pretty impressed with how it bounced straight up the climbs while my mate's LWD Pajero v6 petrol struggled with them.
I learnt a valuable lesson;
Although it's great fun driving around with the roof down, be prepared to have a bucketload of shit in the back when you get home. hehehe
bodylift
mate iv got a set of alloy blocks i had machined up for my shorty but never fitted them, got til monday to sort it out then im off, otherwise could maybe take them with and catch up with you somewhere up there. Could just fix me up for the cost of them, youd have to sort out high tensile nuts and bolts for yourself though...
dean
dean
Ok, I'll do that in a moment - working on my truck this weekend. Off to get some new tools and things now so I'll do it when I get back.
Question - Air Filter. I've got one, but it's old and shitty. I'm going to clean it out with metho and compressed air but I'm going to need to get another one soon. Nobody seems to stock them though - don't even know the part number.
Help? Please?
Question - Air Filter. I've got one, but it's old and shitty. I'm going to clean it out with metho and compressed air but I'm going to need to get another one soon. Nobody seems to stock them though - don't even know the part number.
Help? Please?
in mine i bought a KnN pod style filter that i clamped onto the inside of the airbox. no modifying needed.lmacka wrote:Ok, I'll do that in a moment - working on my truck this weekend. Off to get some new tools and things now so I'll do it when I get back.
Question - Air Filter. I've got one, but it's old and shitty. I'm going to clean it out with metho and compressed air but I'm going to need to get another one soon. Nobody seems to stock them though - don't even know the part number.
Help? Please?
if you want to do something similar i can open my airbox and take a pic for you.
my GUBanzy wrote:Dial up internet.........you'd post something and come back 2 beers later to see if it loaded.
[quote=""CANADA""]We had my 38" TSL's on Hekta's NL for a while... Front only had cranked T-Bars and I think a 2" BL... Only a little bit of rubbing, that got chopped out... 
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isnt hektas a NH?
[/quote]isnt hektas a NH?
my GUBanzy wrote:Dial up internet.........you'd post something and come back 2 beers later to see if it loaded.
lmacka wrote:Yes please - that'd be great.
Can I get those things from your average auto shop? (repco, supercheap...)
my GUBanzy wrote:Dial up internet.........you'd post something and come back 2 beers later to see if it loaded.
wrong pic 
just gotta find one that will fit in the airbox and your set.
i cant remember the part number for my one but it wasnt too hard to find.
i think i got mine at repco
my GUBanzy wrote:Dial up internet.........you'd post something and come back 2 beers later to see if it loaded.
front locker probably wouldnt have helped. the only thing that saved me was the strap.
that was on rope rd in the wattos.
without the strap i probably would have ended up down the bottom of the hill
that was on rope rd in the wattos.
without the strap i probably would have ended up down the bottom of the hill
my GUBanzy wrote:Dial up internet.........you'd post something and come back 2 beers later to see if it loaded.
drove the whole track easy except for the last section where the diagonal rock is and also the big boulder (dented the sill)4x4 suzi wrote:rope rd in the wattos, that is hectic. i ride my moto in there. looks dry there.. imagine it in the wet, how did you go through those massive bog holes at the bottom?
the bog holes were the fun part
my GUBanzy wrote:Dial up internet.........you'd post something and come back 2 beers later to see if it loaded.
hi just one to help, the original part number of mitsubishi airfilter for j top 2.5tdi is MD603384. the K&N equivalent product is part# E-2871. Both are not easy to find. trying to locate one in singapore but none ready (one month to get it if you order from them). does anyone know a K&N retail in Australia that might have it in stock? thanks
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