Formula Suzuki Brainstorm

[redzook]

there are quite a few cars with non 1.3L engines which gives them a much greater advantage. all the suspension and gearing mods aside, if you have anything better than the g13a, you're miles ahead. running a formula make comp with different engines better cars defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

i would love to make the rules really broad in terms of tyre size, suspension and gearing. but i really think everyone should be running the g13a.

i agree with the engine

the first list u made was a good 1 except tyre size of 33"

[Guy]

And the F10a .. should be allowed as well .. These are dirt cheap to buy (even more so than a G13 motor) .. Basically what I am saying is you should be allowed to run the factory motor ...

[greg]

And the F10a .. should be allowed as well .. These are dirt cheap to buy (even more so than a G13 motor) .. Basically what I am saying is you should be allowed to run the factory motor ...

diddo - but i think that almost goes without saying...

though the trick with that is that you can quickly mess with gearing by swapping around x-fer cases, gearboxes, diffs etc from 1L and 1.3L cars...

Sorry NAM, it's looking more and more like you either need to set the bar really tight, or almost not at all.

[redzook]

COMEON lets get a time an place for round zero

[greg]

COMEON lets get a time an place for round zero

I thought NAM already identified this coming saturday at Gemrbook for the road zero

Followed up with a bbq at droopy pete's place


edit: added bbq plan

[Guy]

there are quite a few cars with non 1.3L engines which gives them a much greater advantage. all the suspension and gearing mods aside, if you have anything better than the g13a, you're miles ahead. running a formula make comp with different engines better cars defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

i would love to make the rules really broad in terms of tyre size, suspension and gearing. but i really think everyone should be running the g13a.

i agree with the engine

the first list u made was a good 1 except tyre size of 33"

Whats wrong with 33's .. They are a good size for suzuki driveline as far as cost to fit and strength of the components is concerned ..

[Guy]

Followed up with a bbq at droopy pete's place


edit: added bbq plan

Is that where the wet T/Shirt comp will be

[greg]

there are quite a few cars with non 1.3L engines which gives them a much greater advantage. all the suspension and gearing mods aside, if you have anything better than the g13a, you're miles ahead. running a formula make comp with different engines better cars defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

i would love to make the rules really broad in terms of tyre size, suspension and gearing. but i really think everyone should be running the g13a.

i agree with the engine

the first list u made was a good 1 except tyre size of 33"

Whats wrong with 33's .. They are a good size for suzuki driveline as far as cost to fit and strength of the components is concerned ..

He's just being cheap coz he already has 31's

Let's set the standard really high instead and say that every competitor has to run 37" Crawlers :bling:

[redzook]

nam said limit of 35"s in his first post i said limit of 33"s

[greg]

Is that where the wet T/Shirt comp will be

Might be a bit complicated to get going due to water restrictions - we'd better hold that after 7pm

[Guy]

And the F10a .. should be allowed as well .. These are dirt cheap to buy (even more so than a G13 motor) .. Basically what I am saying is you should be allowed to run the factory motor ...

diddo - but i think that almost goes without saying...

though the trick with that is that you can quickly mess with gearing by swapping around x-fer cases, gearboxes, diffs etc from 1L and 1.3L cars...

Sorry NAM, it's looking more and more like you either need to set the bar really tight, or almost not at all.

You can do that with a 1.3 as well ... even of you were to set the bar really tight do you then say no motor mods ?? etc This whole thing will have to relly on some degree of driver honesty ... besides if the rules are to tight it will be less fun as again if the rules are to lax ..

Basically You have to stay with a Zuk driveline ie motor box's and diffs ..

Some will have more $$$ than others .. Some will have more experiance than others .. that has the be able to fit into the rules .. .I belive that this whole thing is being made more complex than oit needs to be ..


How about a few hard and fast rules like
A. It must be a SJ41X Zuk.
B. Must have factory motor and gearbox.
C. Spring mount points cannot be altered by more than 50mm.
D. Must have factory diffs (locker selection open)
E. Gearing mods open.
F. Cage is manditory (make that a as well).
G. 33 inch max tyre size As specifed on the tyre sidewall.
H. Passanger\spotter allowed.
I. If you winch it is for recovery purpose's only.
J. Must maintain suzuki body cannot cut firewall and or completely remove guards.

Run a few demo\practice sessions with it then "tune it" see if it works.

A Zuk set up like this will make a fine lil comp vehicle as well as bea great weekend warrior if you find you dont like the comp atmosphere .. If the bodywork gets squahed .. BIG DEAL .. get another body and swap it ..


This is a great idea but unless it is open to a reasonably modded truck most people are not goint to want to play.. They do not want a one dimensional vehicle .. If I had a stocker that was reserved only for comp .. I would be bored with it in 10 seconds and work on my black Zuk ..

My long post for the month

[N*A*M]

great summary guy

i fully agree with that

[Guy]

Is that where the wet T/Shirt comp will be

Might be a bit complicated to get going due to water restrictions - we'd better hold that after 7pm

That depends on who is competing ... if Big Steve and Pete are in it .. we may need to get a permist from the council to use that much water
If it's me and you Gerg .. I am sure two small glasses of water would be fine ..

[Guy]

chit chat

F10A can be used (cheap but gutless)
Factory 4 speed and 1L tcase can be used
What about a Rocklobster tcase?

Got no problem allowing 5.12:1 R&P?
If we make it SWB trucks only and no G16s, then dual cases would be very rare correct?

I would think that they are very rare ...

[redzook]

And the F10a .. should be allowed as well .. These are dirt cheap to buy (even more so than a G13 motor) .. Basically what I am saying is you should be allowed to run the factory motor ...

diddo - but i think that almost goes without saying...

though the trick with that is that you can quickly mess with gearing by swapping around x-fer cases, gearboxes, diffs etc from 1L and 1.3L cars...

Sorry NAM, it's looking more and more like you either need to set the bar really tight, or almost not at all.

How about a few hard and fast rules like
A. It must be a SJ41X Zuk.
B. Must have factory motor and gearbox.
C. Spring mount points cannot be altered by more than 50mm.
D. Must have factory diffs (locker selection open)
E. Gearing mods open.
F. Cage is manditory (make that a as well).
G. 33 inch max tyre size As specifed on the tyre sidewall.
H. Passanger\spotter allowed.
I. If you winch it is for recovery purpose's only.
J. Must maintain suzuki body cannot cut firewall and or completely remove guards.

Run a few demo\practice sessions with it then "tune it" see if it works.

A Zuk set up like this will make a fine lil comp vehicle as well as bea great weekend warrior if you find you dont like the comp atmosphere .. If the bodywork gets squahed .. BIG DEAL .. get another body and swap it ..


This is a great idea but unless it is open to a reasonably modded truck most people are not goint to want to play.. They do not want a one dimensional vehicle .. If I had a stocker that was reserved only for comp .. I would be bored with it in 10 seconds and work on my black Zuk ..

My long post for the month

this rule sucks

[N*A*M]

why?

[greg]

How about a few hard and fast rules like
A. It must be a SJ41X Zuk.
B. Must have factory motor and gearbox.
C. Spring mount points cannot be altered by more than 50mm.
D. Must have factory diffs (locker selection open)
E. Gearing mods open.
F. Cage is manditory (make that a as well).
G. 33 inch max tyre size As specifed on the tyre sidewall.
H. Passanger\spotter allowed.
I. If you winch it is for recovery purpose's only.
J. Must maintain suzuki body cannot cut firewall and or completely remove guards.

So all i need to do is get some 33's and i can compete

Actually no i can't - my spring mounts have been moved 100mm... sorry grimbo - you and i are out again...

I know - let's start our own comp and compete with these other people - just like rugby league from a few years ago

[greg]

C. Spring mount points cannot be altered by more than 50mm.

this rule sucks

diddo.

[N*A*M]

what about inboarding springs? yay or nay?

[greg]

what about inboarding springs? yay or nay?

would this include changing a wide track to have springs in line with narrow track specs?

and what about the flip side of this - using wheel spacers on a narrow track diff to achieve widetrack stance?

[Guy]

If the fixed spring mount on the front were 50 mm back and the front 50 mm forward .. you have your 100 mm for rears in front ..
or my mounts ahve not moved at all and I have rears up front and the factory mounts have not moved .. If I move the front mount forward 50mm I am sure I could run RUF's easy and have a more sensible shackle angle and length ..

[greg]

This is a great idea but unless it is open to a reasonably modded truck most people are not goint to want to play.. They do not want a one dimensional vehicle .. If I had a stocker that was reserved only for comp .. I would be bored with it in 10 seconds and work on my black Zuk ..

But won't people in less modded trucks get bored from having the more setup up trucks competing (as possibly) winning all the time?

If i was in a landcruiser 40 series and was up against glen dobbins i would get sick of him winning every week eventually i think.

[N*A*M]

what about inboarding springs? yay or nay?

would this include changing a wide track to have springs in line with narrow track specs?

and what about the flip side of this - using wheel spacers on a narrow track diff to achieve widetrack stance?

extend the 50mm rule to 75mm?

no wheel spacers?
offset/reversed rims only?

don't see a problem with mixing narrow and widetrack stuff

[grimbo]

This is a great idea but unless it is open to a reasonably modded truck most people are not goint to want to play.. They do not want a one dimensional vehicle .. If I had a stocker that was reserved only for comp .. I would be bored with it in 10 seconds and work on my black Zuk ..

But won't people in less modded trucks get bored from having the more setup up trucks competing (as possibly) winning all the time?

If i was in a landcruiser 40 series and was up against glen dobbins i would get sick of him winning every week eventually i think.

Pete Antunac is yet to win a major event I think yet. At woodpecker he was beaten by a much less modded vehicle. Having a heavily modded vehicle does not mean you will win. Driver ability, vehicle breakage and luck all play a huge part in winning an event. Look at the Aussie dude that won the Gold in Ice Skating. He may not be the best skater but everything happened to put him on the podium.

I think Guys rules are good except the 50 mm thing as RUF is now becoming a fairly normal mod but hey if I had to go back to 50mm and extended shackles in the front so be it. We can spend an eternity talking about it but the only way to find out is to do it.

[greg]

Beridale seems to be a good property because there is a lot of terrain which allows for a huge variety in lines to be placed. Weribbee potenially could be made to work. I know Cheezy has been in negotiations with a few Vic property owners for event usage so there maybe something out of that.

There is 4x4 park that might be happening in Warrugul. NSW way there is the areas that Tuff truck, woodpecker etc and QLD has its 4x4 parks. What we need is access to some properties with a variety of terrian not just rock.

Would it be worth considering the TLC property in Yarck (where cruiserkhana is held) - that has different terrains / obsticles already set up... nothing super hard - but it would mean that setting up tracks wouldn't be needed for at least one round (from a vic point of view only that is )...

[grimbo]

I think there would a whole bunch of politics that would need to be addressed. probably worth checking out. Also there are the properties the Mud Racing Association use. Remember it is always good to mix it up a bit who says a mud dominated event couldn't be run.

Droopypete do you still have contacts within the mud pigs?
NAM what about Rover connections? Didn't they used to do a vehicle bash event thing.
there is also the property in tallarook/Smithfield that hosted a winch challenge, i think it is run by some of the Dandy ranges club?

Also on private property it only needs to be a smallish area as witches hats and bunting in different places can make a huge variety

[N*A*M]

yeah i'll try to find out about the Rover Mud Bash property.

[redzook]

what about inboarding springs? yay or nay?

would this include changing a wide track to have springs in line with narrow track specs?

and what about the flip side of this - using wheel spacers on a narrow track diff to achieve widetrack stance?

extend the 50mm rule to 75mm?

no wheel spacers?
offset/reversed rims only?

don't see a problem with mixing narrow and widetrack stuff

why have the 50mm rule at all? id say leaf springs and leave it at that (i fall under 50mm rule so im not sayin that beacuse i wont be able to get in)
i agree no wheel spacers
any sort of rims

[grimbo]

I agree about the 50mm thing should be deleted but maintain leaves or coils depending on original factory style

[N*A*M]

does anyone have a pic of a stock bodied zook on 33s with rumble camp doing some rocks? just need some material for spreading the word.