OIL PICK UP MOD FOR 1600 conversion?

[wideaz]

hey guys im doing my 1600 conversion and got everything i need except the pick up
i know i use my 1300 sierra sump but can anyone help with the pick up adaptor or can i buy it somewhere
i dont care about the price as long as it works
thanks
asap craig

[nicbeer]

u use the mix of the 1300 and the 1600 pickup welded together.

and also use the 1300 sump bolted one to clear the axle.

[BlueSuzy]

Use the tip off the 1.6 oil pickup, the part that goes into the block as its bigger, and slide it over the 1.3 pickup tip...

And make sure it doesnt come off!

Weld or silicone and a hammer, flare the edges of the 1.3tip so its a tight fit for the 1.6 tip..

Mine was a chop and weld job as i didnt see how other people did it. I also tacked on alittle support mount that bolts onto the block...Similar to original.

[nicbeer]

ahh yeh there are also pics on here how mine was done.

they are similar to aboves

[scooby_74]

you can get a sleve to place over the 1300 pick up then all you have to do is cut the centre support and weld it back in the correct position depending if you have steel or alloy brg caps for your mains.

The sump gard will need cutting slightly but not alot.

[wideaz]

hey nicebeer can you tell me where the pics are
thanks
craig

[Mudbits]

Here are a couple of photos of my latest one which is going in my Coily.
You need to remove all the baffles in your 1300 sump to fit the new pickup.

[neil_se]

I've only got an arc welder so i'm looking at doing the 1600 tip over the 1300 tip. My only problem then is the support. If the 1300 didn't originally come with one is it totally necessary?

[BlueSuzy]

Mine did come with a support bracket. I had to move mine because there was no bolthole for it in the 1.6 block...My support is in the centre now.

And i didnt remove the baffles...But i did cut and shut the pickup, cant remember how

[neil_se]

Ah yes of course, the original support doesn't line up. It should be easy enough to get someone to weld the support to the right location.

[mr green]

hey mudbits, have you trial fitted that yet? i was going to do it the same way but found the first bend in the 1.6 pickup was too low to allow the sump to bolt up. and yes i found this after cutting the strainer end off the pickup so i have now oxy welded that part back together and have welded the sleeve over the end of the 1.3 pickup. it could have worked had i have flogged a 30mm dint in the sump but i'm fitting it to a maruti with sagged suspension so diff clearance is an issue.
jason

[Mudbits]

Yes it fits and is all bolted up to the engine.
You need to remove the baffle and use the 1300 sump!
Do you have bump stops?
Was it a 1000cc Maruti?

[mr green]

yep, i cut the baffle out and it is a 1.0 maruti, but i'm using a g13bb sump and pickup, this might be were the difference is.
jason

[Mudbits]

The problem is probably where you have welded your engine mounts.
Just put some fat bump stops in or a bigger suspension lift!
You could try using the bent mounts which bolt to the chassis then on to the rubber block and point them upwards. They are either 1000cc or 1300cc ones. I would have to have a look.

[badger]

is there any way to do this without hacking all the baffles out of the sump?
im pretty sure they are better to have if you plan to drive steep angles etc

[BlueSuzy]

cut and shut the pickup, although make side there is enough room for the bigends! dont want bit of chewed metal in your new 1.6!

[nicbeer]

i did not cut all the baffels out. just the ones in the way of the new pickup

[Rotazuk]

From menory when I did one we only cut half the baffles out . Im with mudbits on this call thou , hack out the baffle . I had a ca18 with a cut up sump that I ditched the baffles in , never a problem on any angles with the oil , they only slow the oil flow , will not prevent it .

Chris

[BenT]

You can get away with only cutting part of the baffle out. The amount of interference depends on the oil pickup you have. There are different types of 1300 and 1600 pickups, so there isn't just one solution.

As previously pointed out, the support tab mounts to a different bearing cap on the 1600, so this is why I reccomend cutting off the 1600 pickup after the mounting tab and using the 1300 pickup from there.

I've never heard of the first bend in the 1600 pickup hitting the bottom of the sump, but there may be a combination of sumps and pickups that could cause this.

I have no baffle in my sump and have taken it on some extreme angles with no adverse effects.

There are two reasons I recommend taking the whole baffle out:
1. To prevent bits of metal from the cuting process getting trapped under the remaining baffle and later being picked up in the oil.
2. To avoid the remaining (now weakened) parts of the baffle breaking off due to fatigue from vibration and the obvious damage that will cause when they meet up with the crankshaft.

I do like the idea of having a baffle but chose not to for those reasons.


Ben