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Went to register my GU today, I've replaced the blown up 2.8 with a TD42 Turbo. Open the bonnet and the guy says "whats this? These never came out with top mount intercoolers" Granted mine is a 600x300 Ebay job but really. I showed him the factory scoop and explained that not only did the 2.8 but also the 4.2(some) and 3.0L diesels all have top mount intercooers standard, glad I haven't fitted the big scoop yet! Then he starts looking for the VIN number, at the front chassis rail where it is on a GQ, I point it out under the drivers door on the chassis and he writes it down, just after he says "Thats right I forgot they moved it down there when they added power steering, prior to power steering it was up here on the drivers side, then they moved it to the passenger side" I felt like saying "what in 1960!" but refrained and said "Gee a Patrol without power steering, I haven't seen one of those. Buy this time he was red faced and shaking, we went inside and to my surprise he proceeded to do the paperwork. Then the question "What's it worth?" Obvious answer, "I have the receipt for $3000, I paid that as it had a brocken engine and gearbox." "Well whats it worth now?" he says. I reply "Iv'e spent $10k on getting it going, but surely I've already paid tax on the parts I bought, Is't that taxing me twice?" He writes $5000 in the value, completes the paperwork and hands me the rego and plates.
WTF.
They can legally charge you the "market value" stamp duty on the vehicle as a whole, regardless of what you paid for it.
Got stung an extra $80 once (after the fact, letter in the mail) on a Vitara because " they didn't agree what I paid for it was what it was worth". Done deal, not recourse (well, not worth it for $80 anyway). Next time you fill out the form, actually read it, it says "what's the value" not "what did you pay" ... or something to that affect.
Yep, family friend sold their old car to their sister for way under what it was worth, and they still haven't officially transferred it as Vicroads won't let it go through for what they paid.
Apparently people think I'm too patronising (that means I treat them like they’re stupid).
"Buyer’s Dutiable Value Declaration and Signature. Statement of Dutiable Value by the Buyer (Otherwise known as market value – please refer to front sheet for information)"
i thought for your patrol you would of need and engineers ticket
because it had 2.8 and thats what it was built with and you changed it over to 4.2turb ,
matthewK wrote:i thought for your patrol you would of need and engineers ticket
because it had 2.8 and thats what it was built with and you changed it over to 4.2turb ,
isnt thats right?
The best of my knowledge, don't need any engineers if it's a motor that was offered as part of the manufacturers lineup for same model/year.
I know all of the people at my local VicRoads - so i get looked after ok.
I had my 180B valued at $500 (minimum amount allowed). The guy clearly saw how much shit was on it, but cause it looks so bloody rough on the outside I said "Take a look at it. Its over 30 years old, hasn't got a straight panel on it. What would you pay for it??" (silence and blank stare) "$500 it is then".
The GQ was different. When i called Vicroads to book the registration inspection, the lady told me the market value of $8000-$10,000, and quoted me the fees accordingly. I said "Shit! Hope i can get that much for it when i sell it!! Does it matter that i only paid $2000 for it?" Reply "Sorry sir, our RedBook market value is the standard pricing for all fees".
Anyway, when the time came, i ended up only paying fees for a $2000 car.
matthewK wrote:i thought for your patrol you would of need and engineers ticket
because it had 2.8 and thats what it was built with and you changed it over to 4.2turb ,
isnt thats right?
The best of my knowledge, don't need any engineers if it's a motor that was offered as part of the manufacturers lineup for same model/year.
that is correct, as it is already available off the showroom floor as an option in that model, you are not actually changing anything. So all the hard expensive work is done for you. its like taking a petrol gq and dropping the diesel engine in
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RoldIT wrote:They can legally charge you the "market value" stamp duty on the vehicle as a whole, regardless of what you paid for it.
Got stung an extra $80 once (after the fact, letter in the mail) on a Vitara because " they didn't agree what I paid for it was what it was worth". Done deal, not recourse (well, not worth it for $80 anyway). Next time you fill out the form, actually read it, it says "what's the value" not "what did you pay" ... or something to that affect.
Cawks! ... but that's VicRoads for you ...
Been threatned buy this several times last was my patrol how much $600 is that market value, my responce was well thats what i paid so it must be.
My first car was given to me from dad, Went to register and they ask for a recepit, But i did not have one I said the last owner was my father and he has given it to me. but did not work had to have a reicept for a car that was given to me so told then it was a little hard as my father was on the other side of aus.
long story , I wrote one my self for $300 and signed it, Dad.
They never queried the receipt saying "DAD" but did the amount that was written down.
went to register my mates nissan silvia for him yesterday. same deal as joel. car came out of the factory with ca18det (1.8l turbo) and the car has an sr20det in it now. due to the fact that its more than a 10% power increase that car needs engineering even though those models had the sr20det in them from factory aswell.
Just because it was an s13 i had two blokes going over the car. now it needs engineering for the sr20 when its totally unnecessary
went to register my mates nissan silvia for him yesterday. same deal as joel. car came out of the factory with ca18det (1.8l turbo) and the car has an sr20det in it now. due to the fact that its more than a 10% power increase that car needs engineering even though those models had the sr20det in them from factory aswell.
Just because it was an s13 i had two blokes going over the car. now it needs engineering for the sr20 when its totally unnecessary
I went through all that when i had my silvia in vic. Originally CA18DE and changed to SR20DET, Vicroads didnt care about the power increase, they said the SR20 version of the silvia was a different car to the CA18 version so had to get an engineers certificate.
T_Diesel wrote:When you pay your Vic Roads registration you pay double tax. They apply GST of 10% and then you also pay stamp duty on the GST you have paid aswell.
Welcome to the most highly taxed country in the world.
what???
Tax revenue is 51.3% of Sweden's GDP, 50.3 Denmark, 45.4 Belgium, 44.3 Norway, 44.0 France...all countries with astounding standard of living.
Australia is 27th at 30.9% below NZ at 17 with 36.6% of GDP
But it was stiff of Vicroads. I paid $2k for my car and payed the comparable $80 stamp duty. Even though the market worth is closer to $4k
At first I thought it was a sea anemone, upon closer inspection I realised it was a funky ball of tits from outer space.
vicroads are the silliest norti werd in geelong or colac.
i have managed to pass an injected 304 holden V8 in VK commodore (custom made ute no the less). asked if it was a standard fitted motor to that vehicle....i answered yes and away i went........till i got defected and the rwc inspector asked for engineers cert for the v8 (it was engineered for a vn V6 motor).
Another m8 also passed a 3t celica motor in his KE20 corolla by modifying the standard 3k air cleaner to fit the 3t and they didnt ask ne questions whatsoever.
if you got away with paying stamps on 5k count yourself lucky book value is a lot more and thats what he could have got you with.
a mate of mine had to pay stamps on a fx hodlen that he had owned for 13 years and never registered got him for stamp duty on 24k for a fully restored car
new fx in the 1950's sold for about 1800 pounds go figure that
85 high roof 1.3, 6.5 tc, air lockers,ruf and 34 swampers. yep its an ugly pos.
bought my last car interstate a while ago.....anyway it had few months rego and the guy was good enough to let me drive till the reg ran out.....but I did fill in the interstate change of ownership form which he put in........When I turned up to VIC roads to transfer into my name and pay my rego and stamp duty etc etc.....
Ended up paying for 12mths rego and new plates and walked out............I ask no questions save me $$$$$ no transfer fee or stamp duty.....
ive got a vl turbo rb30e in my swb gq , when i go in to say ive changed the engine from a 4.2L to rb30et will i be sweet ?
as gq's came out with rb30's although they were carby
Mate had a chopped down patrol with a gen 3 in it took it to vicroads and the guy said didn't think these come out in an extra cab and my mate yeah they did....
Then he poped the bonet and the guy said is the stock motor my mate said yeah and the guy said i think i remeber them comin out with them.....Even though it had holden written all over the motor.....
Sounds like i got nothin to complain about up here!
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suzuki boy wrote:Wow the vic roads up here is dumb as dog sh!t!
Mate had a chopped down patrol with a gen 3 in it took it to vicroads and the guy said didn't think these come out in an extra cab and my mate yeah they did....
Then he poped the bonet and the guy said is the stock motor my mate said yeah and the guy said i think i remeber them comin out with them.....Even though it had holden written all over the motor.....
Sounds like i got nothin to complain about up here!
so they are expected to know wvery make and model of car thats come out, and alsop exactly what engines came in them?
Asking a bit much, i rekon your mate is as dumb as dog shit for trying to push something through the rego without the approriate engineering. People like your mate is exactly why they make it tougher and tougher to modify vehicles.
suzuki boy wrote:Wow the vic roads up here is dumb as dog sh!t!
Mate had a chopped down patrol with a gen 3 in it took it to vicroads and the guy said didn't think these come out in an extra cab and my mate yeah they did....
Then he poped the bonet and the guy said is the stock motor my mate said yeah and the guy said i think i remeber them comin out with them.....Even though it had holden written all over the motor.....
Sounds like i got nothin to complain about up here!
so they are expected to know wvery make and model of car thats come out, and alsop exactly what engines came in them?
Asking a bit much, i rekon your mate is as dumb as dog shit for trying to push something through the rego without the approriate engineering. People like your mate is exactly why they make it tougher and tougher to modify vehicles.
X2 shadow
85 high roof 1.3, 6.5 tc, air lockers,ruf and 34 swampers. yep its an ugly pos.
Man of Cheese wrote:so you paid stamp duty on $5000 yea man WTF i would have said tax me on the $3000 thats how much i paid for it.
Thats what I said, he responded that it was taxable on the vehicle as it was at the time of registration, could have been taxed on $20k so I'm not complaining, it's just how usleess and inconsistant they are.
Mate had a chopped down patrol with a gen 3 in it took it to vicroads and the guy said didn't think these come out in an extra cab and my mate yeah they did....
Then he poped the bonet and the guy said is the stock motor my mate said yeah and the guy said i think i remeber them comin out with them.....Even though it had holden written all over the motor.....
Sounds like i got nothin to complain about up here
and if he was involved in a fatal accident it won't be vicroads that get a rap around the knuckles, but that TOOL trying to stoog vicroads. and he won't get away with 'they said this or that' because they are just office workers at the end of the day. your mate gets my dickhead award......
lwb 1.6efi,4sp auto,f&r airlockers,dual t/cases.custom coils.builder of ROAD LEGAL custom suzukis...and other stuff.
CAD modelling-TECH drawings-DXF preparation.
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Went to register my GU today, I've replaced the blown up 2.8 with a TD42 Turbo. Open the bonnet and the guy says "whats this? These never came out with top mount intercoolers" Granted mine is a 600x300 Ebay job but really. I showed him the factory scoop and explained that not only did the 2.8 but also the 4.2(some) and 3.0L diesels all have top mount intercooers standard, glad I haven't fitted the big scoop yet! Then he starts looking for the VIN number, at the front chassis rail where it is on a GQ, I point it out under the drivers door on the chassis and he writes it down, just after he says "Thats right I forgot they moved it down there when they added power steering, prior to power steering it was up here on the drivers side, then they moved it to the passenger side" I felt like saying "what in 1960!" but refrained and said "Gee a Patrol without power steering, I haven't seen one of those. Buy this time he was red faced and shaking, we went inside and to my surprise he proceeded to do the paperwork. Then the question "What's it worth?" Obvious answer, "I have the receipt for $3000, I paid that as it had a brocken engine and gearbox." "Well whats it worth now?" he says. I reply "Iv'e spent $10k on getting it going, but surely I've already paid tax on the parts I bought, Is't that taxing me twice?" He writes $5000 in the value, completes the paperwork and hands me the rego and plates.
