Notice: We request that you don't just set up a new account at this time if you are a previous user.
If you used to be one of our moderators, please feel free to reach out to Chris via the facebook Outerlimits4x4 group and he will get you set back up with access should he need you.
Recovery:If you cannot access your old email address and don't remember your password, please click here to log a change of email address so you can do a password reset.

3/4 elliptic setup pics?

Tech Talk for Suzuki owners.

Moderators: lay80n, sierrajim

Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

Just some updated pics on build up and where my setup is at so far, still waiting on longer shocks to gain any benifit as they are already limiting with the 3/4 clamped still.

Image
Image
Image
Build Thread - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=168546&p=1927514&hilit=GRPABT1%27s+zook#p1927514
Posts: 6221
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 12:51 pm
Location: Sydney

Post by v840 »

Have you thought about extending your wheelbase at the rear by 6" or so?

Would probably work wonders for your ride and would look heaps better too. Just an idea.



Ps. Love the sticker. :D
|^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| ||
|.........SUZUKI..........| ||'|";, ____.
|_..._..._______===|=||_|__|..., ]
(@)'(@)"""''"**|(@)(@)*****''(@)
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

what is the circled thing? how are you pinning it? can you show some pics of the actual set up of how it is now?
User avatar
Dee
Posts: 2314
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:35 pm
Location: Sunny Coast, QLD

Post by Dee »

v840 wrote:Have you thought about extending your wheelbase at the rear by 6" or so?

Would probably work wonders for your ride and would look heaps better too. Just an idea.



Ps. Love the sticker. :D
Yea gr I’ve been wondering did you buy your sierra already cut?
I’m just wondering what the purpose of your tray is? To be honest the only time I’d ever cut a sierra into a ute.. actually I never would.. but I don’t understand why someone would do it without stretching the wheelbase at least 10”. I would have been doing the wheelbase stretch long before even thinking about a ¾…

Check out rhetts rig (before buggied). Running a couple of long lux leaves in the rear (offset centre pin). Couple this with a good shackle angle, some custom well placed shock mounts & move the tank & you wouldn’t need to bother with the ¾.
All the gear, No idea...
Posts: 298
Joined: Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:17 pm
Location: Mackay QLD

Post by skez »

i like the look of it with that tray and still being a swb
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

Here we go again :roll:

GRPABT likes his chop OK.

This isn't a ute chop thread so can we please keep it about 3/4 elliptic and not start 4 pages of I hate/love/why/how could you/there's no point/it looks great.

However, without discussing chops, I'm building a car ATM with 10" longer than stock rear springs that provide about 6" of wheelbase extension and about 13" of vertical wheeltravel - with no buggy leaf. This car is going to spank a buggy, but requires lots of chassis length to work - we're doing it on a LWB trayback.

Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
User avatar
Dee
Posts: 2314
Joined: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:35 pm
Location: Sunny Coast, QLD

Post by Dee »

just saying i'd ratherr put the work towards the added flex of longer leaves/sharp shackle angle, & added stability of extended wheelbase, before I went attempting a 3/4 setup, especially when he already has the available space due to the ute chop...
Then at a later date if that wasnt enough, try the 3/4...
All the gear, No idea...
Posts: 7345
Joined: Wed Jun 02, 2004 3:29 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by Gwagensteve »

Without reference to the aesthetic qualities of the chop itself, I agree - I think all the work going into getting the rear to flex is being undone by have such a short WB. 6" or so of stretch would look and work lots better.

Steve.
[quote="greg"] some say he is a man without happy dreams, or that he sees silver linings on clouds and wonders why they are not platinum... all we know, is he's called the stevie.[/quote]
God Of Emo
Posts: 7350
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2003 7:04 pm
Location: Newy, home of the ZOOK (Rockin the 'diff)

Post by lay80n »

Image

~6 inch stretch in rear.

Layto....
[quote="v840"]Just between me and you, I actually really dig the Megatwon, but if anyone asks, I'm going to shitcan it as much as possible! :D[/quote]
Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

Yeah yeah if anyone has paid attention to my recent posts elsewhere I am planning on moving the rear diff back. Probably not 6 inches but it will go back a bit. I bought it already ute chopped and got a bargain and I like it. The 3/4 appealed to me cause it is tuneable unlike wacky shackles and I could do all the work myself with bits I had lying around. I don't have the time/money/effort to do full custom 10" longer leaf with chassis ext setups. I only wanted to match the rear flex to the front.

After all this shit bagging I might get off my butt and move the diff back tomorrow. Still don't have the longer shocks though as 4wd Stuff got sent the wrong ones in his supply shipment.

Disregard the circle in the pics it was to ask a question when I was setting it up still and is in another thread.

I will supply pics in detail when I get it all completed and I'm happy with it, I'm clamping the leaf with two thick pieces of flat bar and bolts so I can slide the clamp to adjust the amount of droop, I don't want alot really.
Build Thread - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=168546&p=1927514&hilit=GRPABT1%27s+zook#p1927514
Posts: 696
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:07 pm
Location: Greenbank

Post by zookimal »

I wouldn't take it as a bagging mate, just what people would like to see you do with your car for the best possible outcome. I think you'll be happy with the result when you get it done.

Outers has spoken. Stretch your goddamn car! :finger: :D
-Mal

Zook 1, 2, 3 gone
Patrol - Wheels, engine and stuff
Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

zookimal wrote:I wouldn't take it as a bagging mate, just what people would like to see you do with your car for the best possible outcome. I think you'll be happy with the result when you get it done.

Outers has spoken. Stretch your goddamn car! :finger: :D
I know the results would be good, but atm I have other things to spend time and money on, like the blown motor in my commodore that is going to cost me a good $10K
Build Thread - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=168546&p=1927514&hilit=GRPABT1%27s+zook#p1927514
Posts: 1009
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:21 pm
Location: townsville

Post by brad-chevlux »

GRPABT1 wrote:
zookimal wrote:I wouldn't take it as a bagging mate, just what people would like to see you do with your car for the best possible outcome. I think you'll be happy with the result when you get it done.

Outers has spoken. Stretch your goddamn car! :finger: :D
I know the results would be good, but atm I have other things to spend time and money on, like the blown motor in my commodore that is going to cost me a good $10K

10K and the rest
http://www.mothfukle-engineering.com/
Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

brad-chevlux wrote:
GRPABT1 wrote:
zookimal wrote:I wouldn't take it as a bagging mate, just what people would like to see you do with your car for the best possible outcome. I think you'll be happy with the result when you get it done.

Outers has spoken. Stretch your goddamn car! :finger: :D
I know the results would be good, but atm I have other things to spend time and money on, like the blown motor in my commodore that is going to cost me a good $10K

10K and the rest
The price of speed these days is rediculous :lol:
Build Thread - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=168546&p=1927514&hilit=GRPABT1%27s+zook#p1927514
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

how much have you spent doing this set up so far GRPABT1? Have you tried to flex it unpinned without shocks to measure how long you will need? What type of shocks are you looking to buy for this set up
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

just looking at how i could pull this off the sarvo and passenger side is no problem but how have people got around the guard thing that stops your fuel line from being split inside your wheel arch? Does this need to be modified? or removed? any answers or pics would be great
Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

Most people just remove the expansion chamber (a pita as mine is gone and leaks fuel sometimes) and tie back the fuel filler.

I haven't flexed it up without the shock cause I am lazy and don't have anything around the home to flex it that far. I am getting some 12 way adjustable boss shocks off 4WD STUFF on here for about $400 a pair in about 700mm long and building a custom top mount. So far is has cost me nothing as I had the springs already and the steel I got from work, it's alot cheaper than drop shackles even if you have to find some second hand springs.
Build Thread - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=168546&p=1927514&hilit=GRPABT1%27s+zook#p1927514
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

are you only getting a rear pair of those or front and back?
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

I have been looking other places and this seems to be very popular between jeep owners but they dont use a extra full half of the other spring. With a WT sierra does a whole half need to be used?
Posts: 377
Joined: Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:03 pm
Location: Perth

Post by VR Rodeo »

Zook_Fan wrote:I have been looking other places and this seems to be very popular between jeep owners but they dont use a extra full half of the other spring. With a WT sierra does a whole half need to be used?
You can make it as long as you want, all depends on how much flex you want.
'92 Rodeo - VR V6, T700, 31's
'89 Zook - 4 inch lift, 32's, 5.14 gears, RUF, F&R Lockrights, Rear Disconnect, Falcon/Landcruiser PS
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

yeah but there would be like an ideal ratio between flex and outright madness and i was just wondering what ppl thought
Posts: 13555
Joined: Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:28 pm
Location: Melbourne

Post by grimbo »

I just used the main leaf off a stock rear spring. Cut it off just a couple of inches past the spring mounting point. I attached it to the chassis rail with two u bolts directly above the the mounting of the spring pack below. I never had any issues with u bolts coming undone or the spring working loose. For me and my setup and uses it was a great mod and very easy to do
Ransom note = demand + collage
Posts: 2600
Joined: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:40 pm
Location: Townsville

Post by GRPABT1 »

Zook_Fan wrote:yeah but there would be like an ideal ratio between flex and outright madness and i was just wondering what ppl thought
Realistically you'll be limited by wheelbase track width on how much flex you can use before falling over.

3/4 setups are really easy to simply dial in how much flex you want by moving the point you clamp the spring at. All will come clear to you when I show completed pics of my setup.
Build Thread - http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=168546&p=1927514&hilit=GRPABT1%27s+zook#p1927514
Posts: 1889
Joined: Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:23 pm
Location: Brisbane

Post by just cruizin' »

lay80n wrote:[img]~6 inch stretch in rear.

Layto....
Hey Layto,

Are these custom rears or out of something else??

Greg
;)
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

so with your clamp set up your going to allow the clamp to slide along the steel plate you put in to restrict the spring at certain points depending on conditions?
Posts: 4073
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:13 pm

Post by lump_a_charcoal »

Could one leaf be used for both sides if cut in half, or does it become too short then?
Posts: 813
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 2004 10:21 pm
Location: Hobart

Post by Spike_Sierra »

no, you will need two seperate rear springs as you need two leaves each with a centre hole and shackle sized bushes. Rear springs have different sized bushes for each end.
85 LWB w. FRP Canopy
Ca18det conversion in progress, Vit PS, RUF,
6.5:1's, 33x12.5 Bfg's, custom front and rear bars.
Posts: 4073
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:13 pm

Post by lump_a_charcoal »

Yeah after I posted that I realised it was a pretty dumb question...

What vehicles could springs be sourced from for this?
Posts: 169
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:20 pm
Location: CQ, Aus

Post by Zook_Fan »

anything with the right size eye on it and fairly flexy
Posts: 696
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:07 pm
Location: Greenbank

Post by zookimal »

just cruizin' wrote:
lay80n wrote:[img]~6 inch stretch in rear.

Layto....
Hey Layto,

Are these custom rears or out of something else??

Greg
Hilux fronts
-Mal

Zook 1, 2, 3 gone
Patrol - Wheels, engine and stuff
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests