Xtreme Production Winch Challenge (New Name)

[XTREME MMM]

Just a quick update on tyres and suspension:-

Max tyre size will be 840mm.

Track must remain within 50mm of standard track.

Suspension 3" more from standard bump stop height on full droop.

This will make it eaiser to control and fair for everyone (I hope)


Cheers
David

[gut42]

So we measure standard shocks and get ones that are 75mm longer?

[XTREME MMM]

So we measure standard shocks and get ones that are 75mm longer?

Quite correct, if you measure them fully extended.

If that is what you meant, you would be one of the first that knows how it is done.


Cheers
David

[wilsy]

So we measure standard shocks and get ones that are 75mm longer?

Quite correct, if you measure them fully extended.

If that is what you meant, you would be one of the first that knows how it is done.


Cheers
David

So anyone know the length of a fully extended standard shock (front and rear) on a GQ, i've got no idea?? never had any. But won't this just limit travel, (droop) and have nothing to do with the actual resting (static)height of the vehicle..... Though i've probably got this messed up some how

[XTREME MMM]

So we measure standard shocks and get ones that are 75mm longer?

Quite correct, if you measure them fully extended.

If that is what you meant, you would be one of the first that knows how it is done.


Cheers
David

So anyone know the length of a fully extended standard shock (front and rear) on a GQ, i've got no idea?? never had any. But won't this just limit travel, (droop) and have nothing to do with the actual resting (static)height of the vehicle..... Though i've probably got this messed up some how

For your info regards suspension height, under transport rules you are allowed to increase droop by 1/3 but it must be shared up and down.

So that boils down to a 2" lift in a Patrol/Cruiser being legal and a 3" will scrape in if you lose some of your downward travel.

Cheers
David

[gut42]

[quote="wilsy"][quote="XTREME MMM"][quote="gut42"]So we measure standard shocks and get ones that are 75mm longer?[/quote]



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Quite correct, if you measure them fully extended.

If that is what you meant, you would be one of the first that knows how it is done.


Cheers
David [/b][/size][/quote]


So anyone know the length of a fully extended standard shock (front and rear) on a GQ, i've got no idea?? never had any. But won't this just limit travel, (droop) and have nothing to do with the actual resting (static)height of the vehicle..... Though i've probably got this messed up some how [/quote]


GQ stanard front shocks are 520mm and the rears are 620mm.

plus 1/3rd equals 695mm for the front and 825mm for the rear.

that right Dave???

[XTREME MMM]

So we measure standard shocks and get ones that are 75mm longer?

Quite correct, if you measure them fully extended.

If that is what you meant, you would be one of the first that knows how it is done.


Cheers
David

So anyone know the length of a fully extended standard shock (front and rear) on a GQ, i've got no idea?? never had any. But won't this just limit travel, (droop) and have nothing to do with the actual resting (static)height of the vehicle..... Though i've probably got this messed up some how

GQ stanard front shocks are 520mm and the rears are 620mm.

plus 1/3rd equals 695mm for the front and 825mm for the rear.

that right Dave???

That sounds ok.

Here is the bump stop height on a standard GQ, the GU would be much the same if not the same.

Rear bump stop height:- 210mm can go to 280mm (touch under 3")

Front bump stop height:- 160mm can go 215mm (touch over 2")

So you see legal is 2" lift, but most time you will get away with a 3" lift if you do not have a heap of other things done that put it on their radar.

Hope that clears some things up for everyone.

Note some measuments have been rounded up, so give or take a few mm.

Cheers & have a good weekend

David

[pigletracing]

sorry dave,I havent been on this forum for some time,I noticed the 50mm wider track rule, GU diffs only take you out 15mm each side. are you saying gu diffs are ok now.. where can we get a definate set of black & white spec rules,as we are building now!! & there isnt much time between now & march.
basicly we dont want to waste money & time due to last minute rule changes. thanks PIGLET

[XTREME MMM]

sorry dave,I havent been on this forum for some time,I noticed the 50mm wider track rule, GU diffs only take you out 15mm each side. are you saying gu diffs are ok now.. where can we get a definate set of black & white spec rules,as we are building now!! & there isnt much time between now & march.
basicly we dont want to waste money & time due to last minute rule changes. thanks PIGLET

Hi Piglet, mate hi again.

At no point did I say GU diffs in a GQ were allowed.

I said that the track could be no more then 50mm wider. 50mm is what transport allow on solid axle 4wd's.

This means that you have to be carefull of rim offset nothing more.

Keep in mind when building new truck remember:-

IF IT DOES NOT COME WITH IT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!!!!!! (this is for year of build not model, meaning a '90 swb Patrol cannot be fitted with a EFI motor out of the later wagon)

Rules will be on web site after Round 3.

Cheers

Happy building

David

[frp88]

is it entry fee going to be the same as the XWC ? cos if it is then there is no point waisting money on a new winch.

[pigletracing]

one would expect it to be cheaper than the xwc, but thats up to dave,setting up these events are costly, even though some other events are under 1/2 the pri$e

[XTREME MMM]

one would expect it to be cheaper than the xwc, but thats up to dave,setting up these events are costly, even though some other events are under 1/2 the pri$e

Hi, good question.

As it costs the same to put on a Production Event, ARB XWC or EFS Teams Event. (Actually the EFS Team Event costs more due to extra trophies and lower entry numbers).

It all keeps adding up, when you do an event.

Due to many costs involved (most that competitors are not aware of) I know the entry fee will be the same as the ARB XWC Series.

I have tried to keep entry fee down, even with all set up costs going up over night.

After all it is the same style of event and hopefully will attract the same sort of sponsorship.

As I have said before if you don't like the idea, start your own event and you will then find out just what the cost to put on an event is.

Cheers
David

[FESTA]

well drove the gq wag to mr sheetmetal for the roll cage on the weekend. it drove crap , was super slow , perfect winch truck ? I miss the old 80

[GUT 30]

well drove the gq wag to mr sheetmetal for the roll cage on the weekend. it drove crap , was super slow , perfect winch truck ? I miss the old 80

Didn`t you sell out to johnny trckabout .. thats what he says anyways ...

[gut42]

Hey GUT30 are you gona have a truck for this comp next year?

[frp88]

one would expect it to be cheaper than the xwc, but thats up to dave,setting up these events are costly, even though some other events are under 1/2 the pri$e

Hi, good question.

As it costs the same to put on a Production Event, ARB XWC or EFS Teams Event. (Actually the EFS Team Event costs more due to extra trophies and lower entry numbers).

It all keeps adding up, when you do an event.

Due to many costs involved (most that competitors are not aware of) I know the entry fee will be the same as the ARB XWC Series.

I have tried to keep entry fee down, even with all set up costs going up over night.

After all it is the same style of event and hopefully will attract the same sort of sponsorship.

As I have said before if you don't like the idea, start your own event and you will then find out just what the cost to put on an event is.

Cheers
David

well if that is the case I can save the money on buying a winch and spend it on cage and harness. Dave can I use the factory roll cage position on the rear guard or does it have to be above the chassis?
I have a middie like John Butler

[XTREME MMM]

one would expect it to be cheaper than the xwc, but thats up to dave,setting up these events are costly, even though some other events are under 1/2 the pri$e

Hi, good question.

As it costs the same to put on a Production Event, ARB XWC or EFS Teams Event. (Actually the EFS Team Event costs more due to extra trophies and lower entry numbers).

It all keeps adding up, when you do an event.

Due to many costs involved (most that competitors are not aware of) I know the entry fee will be the same as the ARB XWC Series.

I have tried to keep entry fee down, even with all set up costs going up over night.

After all it is the same style of event and hopefully will attract the same sort of sponsorship.

As I have said before if you don't like the idea, start your own event and you will then find out just what the cost to put on an event is.

Cheers
David

well if that is the case I can save the money on buying a winch and spend it on cage and harness. Dave can I use the factory roll cage position on the rear guard or does it have to be above the chassis?
I have a middie like John Butler

Hi
I will have a look at Johns before I give comment

Cheers
David

[GUT 30]

Hey GUT30 are you gona have a truck for this comp next year?

Hoping to ( still trying to get a high top safari for the right price though ) , but if all else fails I`ll join up with you and drive your missus silver bullet to victory lane for ya .

[gut42]

You wouldnt be able to keep up with my mrs!

[XTREME MMM]

Round 1 will be at "The Springs"



Cheers
David

[gut42]

Are you kidding??? Whats wrong with LCMP?

[XTREME MMM]

Are you kidding??? Whats wrong with LCMP?

Nothing at all. After all LCMP is the first venue for the ARB XWC.

And as this is a new event. I think if is worth a new venue for a new event.

Something different.

And you have to keep on mind they are some people who live on the south side.


Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

yes yes its all good that you have picked a place to race !!!!!!
but how about some OFFICIAL specifications & rules to base our build ups by. cheers piglet

[Troll00]

Piggy stop making it to hard just get the wifes car and throw

2" lift
33" tyres
4 point cage, harnesses and window nets
Winches to be off the shelf, standard low or high mount. Main shaft allowed to be capped and rear reinforcing on winch allowed, standard width drums, no free spool etc etc .

Must be approved as legal fitment to your vehicle and plated.


And DRIVE the f#@K out of it, roll it and start again you have the piglet for the other events

[XTREME MMM]

Piggy stop making to hard just got the wifes car and throw

2" lift
33" tyres
4 point cage, harnesses and window nets
Winches to be off the shelf, standard low or high mount. Main shaft allowed to be capped and rear reinforcing on winch allowed, standard width drums, no free spool etc etc .

Must be approved as legal fitment to your vehicle and plated.


And DRIVE the f#@K out of it, roll it and start again you have the piglet for the other events

Well said Damo.

Pig just remember if it did not come with it you cannot have it.

Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

hay damo, no pig for other events, the fatroza is sold. the new owner will take her off my hands about xmas,& she will move to melbourn

[1MadEngineer]

hay damo, no pig for other events, the fatroza is sold. the new owner will take her off my hands about xmas,& she will move to melbourn

thats a shame you might have been competitive in this class driving the piglet

[Draven]

well drove the gq wag to mr sheetmetal for the roll cage on the weekend. it drove crap , was super slow , perfect winch truck ? I miss the old 80

Go on...admit it....The Mav is just to much car for ya

*jokes*

[gut42]

Yeah harden up Festa!

[FESTA]

Yeah harden up Festa!

at least i know i cant hurt myself in it........................IT DOES NOT GO FAST ENOUGH.......................cant wait to see you running up the hill hollings while i am sitting in the a/c