Xtreme Production Winch Challenge (New Name)

[Draven]

Yeah harden up Festa!

at least i know i cant hurt myself in it........................IT DOES NOT GO FAST ENOUGH.......................cant wait to see you running up the hill hollings while i am sitting in the a/c

Running ? youll be lucky if i get out the car

hehehe

[GUT 30]

What about the bull bar Dave does it have to be what you can buy off the shelf ( TJM or ARB ) or can it be custom made tube bar to accept high mount winch ?

[XTREME MMM]

You are allowed to have custom made bars and body protection.

Cheers
David

[gut42]

Ill be sitting in the ac too! bikeboy will be doing all the running!!!

[CWBYUP]

Hi Dave,

Just looking at setting up the GQ for this and want to ask some questions.

I have a Maverick LWB 1989 model Chassis with a GQ 1996 model ute cab on it, if I use all the 1989 features to build it is this ok ? Its Turbo diesel with after market turbo on a cast manifold if it makes any differance.

Can I use a bolt in 4 point with extra bracing ? I cant get a 4 point engineered down here in NSW ( if someone does it legally let me know )

If you have a 4 point in the cab do i need a 4 point tray as well ?

I have rung around the engineers and RTA Tech in NSW and the answer I have from them is because my vehicle came out with retractable seat belts I cant get a 4 point engineered in the car even though its 200% stronger than the orginal bolt points ?

Sorry for all the question but want to make sure I can compete before I start swinging spanners.

Thanks for your time champ.

Nick

[pigletracing]

This comp is going to be good, a big congratulation to MMM (Dave) for seperating it from the EXTREME WINCH CLASS,& findind extra time to run yet another event, (sue must be very understending) looking forward to naving in this one for Wally, we have the rules in hand, & have started DEmodifieng the extra cab already. THE CRAZY THING IS !!!! the truck is going to be less tuff & more legal now ist a COMPETITION rig, than when it was a club / touring / play rig. All good
cheers to all PIGLET

[Slunnie]

I have rung around the engineers and RTA Tech in NSW and the answer I have from them is because my vehicle came out with retractable seat belts I cant get a 4 point engineered in the car even though its 200% stronger than the orginal bolt points ?

Can you run the 4point and still leave all of the 3point in place?



Can swirl pots be used and alternative fuel pumps be used?
Is "challenge" to be spelt with 3x "l"'s as per title

[CWBYUP]

Can swirl pots be used and alternative fuel pumps be used?
Is "challenge" to be spelt with 3x "l"'s as per title

Piss off I was having a bad day.

What I was trying to say is that no engineer I have spoken to will let me put 4 point seat belts in place of the retractable ones.

Also In NSW you cant ( to my knowledge ) get a 4 point engineered properly.

What is my solution ?

Nick

[Modified Toy]

We Have a car engineered in NSW with a 4 point cage all they write on the engineers is that the front section is removable for road use, why not have the harnes removeable for road use and have the retractable seat belts aswell, even if you swap them before you race there is nothing in the rules that says you have to have both.

you live about an hour south from the engineer i use i will pm you his name and number

[Slunnie]

Can swirl pots be used and alternative fuel pumps be used?
Is "challenge" to be spelt with 3x "l"'s as per title

Piss off I was having a bad day.

What I was trying to say is that no engineer I have spoken to will let me put 4 point seat belts in place of the retractable ones.

Also In NSW you cant ( to my knowledge ) get a 4 point engineered properly.

What is my solution ?
Nick

Did I say something?

Is it a prob though if you install the 4 point harness though and leave the retractable belts in place also... then the 4 point wont need engineering possibly as it will be redundant for road use.

Nick[/quote]

[Gonzo]

Can I enter and run my stock 4wd?

It has (factory):
42" tyres
Crawler gears
Portal boxes
24v

It's all stock, and all road legal without any engineers certs needed.

[CWBYUP]

Hi Dave,

Just looking at setting up the GQ for this and want to ask some questions.

I have a Maverick LWB 1989 model Chassis with a GQ 1996 model ute cab on it, if I use all the 1989 features to build it is this ok ? Its Turbo diesel with after market turbo on a cast manifold if it makes any differance.

Can I use a bolt in 4 point with extra bracing ? I cant get a 4 point engineered down here in NSW ( if someone does it legally let me know )

If you have a 4 point in the cab do i need a 4 point tray as well ?

I have rung around the engineers and RTA Tech in NSW and the answer I have from them is because my vehicle came out with retractable seat belts I cant get a 4 point harnesses engineered in the car even though its 200% stronger than the orginal bolt points ?

Sorry for all the question but want to make sure I can compete before I start swinging spanners.

Thanks for your time champ.

Nick

Any answers ?

[XTREME MMM]

Can I enter and run my stock 4wd?

It has (factory):
42" tyres
Crawler gears
Portal boxes
24v

It's all stock, and all road legal without any engineers certs needed.

As long as you fit 33" tyres and it has no PTO and complies with all the other rules, I have no problem.

You may have problems with the SS due to size.

Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

# STAUN internal beadlocks are road legal.
# STUAN have road legal rims that suit their bead locks,not just any rim with an extra hole drilled in them.
# STAUN have done DMT & RTA LEGALITY checks & tests in
AUSTRALIA (all states)
USA
FRANCE
UK
& their product has passed all the required legal requirements.
# STAUN internal beadlocks make FWDING safer in any situation that you might need to lower the tyre pressure,ie MUD, snow, sand, ect.

(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS AS THEY ARE RTA APROVED ???
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS FOR SAFTY REASONS ????
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS, AS THEY ARE A SHELF ITEM AT MOST LEADING 4WD & TYRE ACCESSORIE SHOPS ????

[XTREME MMM]

# STAUN internal beadlocks are road legal.
# STUAN have road legal rims that suit their bead locks,not just any rim with an extra hole drilled in them.
# STAUN have done DMT & RTA LEGALITY checks & tests in
AUSTRALIA (all states)
USA
FRANCE
UK
& their product has passed all the required legal requirements.
# STAUN internal beadlocks make FWDING safer in any situation that you might need to lower the tyre pressure,ie MUD, snow, sand, ect.

(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS AS THEY ARE RTA APROVED ???
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS FOR SAFTY REASONS ????
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS, AS THEY ARE A SHELF ITEM AT MOST LEADING 4WD & TYRE ACCESSORIE SHOPS ????

It is great to see Competitors supporting their sponsors.

They are also my sponsors, and I also use and sell their product which is great.

But the RTA is a NSW Government body and not Queensland based.

So at the moment you cannot use any form of beadlock, regardless if you think it is legal or not.

If you are talking about safety, you should be running your tyres at the manufactures recommended tyre pressures and not at 10psi.

By doing this it keeps it a lot fairer on everyone.

Keep supporting your sponsors everyone.

Let me be the one trying to keep it fair.

Otherwise we could ban all steel cables and any other form of rope and everyone would have to use Plasma only and no auto's in comp trucks and all clutches have to be Exedy Safari Tuff and all diff locks have to be ARB airlockers, where do I stop!!!!! Think of my sales if I did that.

Just to make it a lot fairer, the next time I am talking (which happens to be a lot lately) to Vehicle Standards (these are the people that tell Transport what the rules are) I will ask if they are legal or not.

And if I get a clear answer regards being legal on any rim there could be a rule change, but don't hold your breath at the moment.

Cheers
David

[frp88]

# STAUN internal beadlocks are road legal.
# STUAN have road legal rims that suit their bead locks,not just any rim with an extra hole drilled in them.
# STAUN have done DMT & RTA LEGALITY checks & tests in
AUSTRALIA (all states)
USA
FRANCE
UK
& their product has passed all the required legal requirements.
# STAUN internal beadlocks make FWDING safer in any situation that you might need to lower the tyre pressure,ie MUD, snow, sand, ect.

(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS AS THEY ARE RTA APROVED ???
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS FOR SAFTY REASONS ????
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS, AS THEY ARE A SHELF ITEM AT MOST LEADING 4WD & TYRE ACCESSORIE SHOPS ????

It is great to see Competitors supporting their sponsors.

They are also my sponsors, and I also use and sell their product which is great.

But the RTA is a NSW Government body and not Queensland based.

So at the moment you cannot use any form of beadlock, regardless if you think it is legal or not.

If you are talking about safety, you should be running your tyres at the manufactures recommended tyre pressures and not at 10psi.

By doing this it keeps it a lot fairer on everyone.

Keep supporting your sponsors everyone.

Let me be the one trying to keep it fair.

Otherwise we could ban all steel cables and any other form of rope and everyone would have to use Plasma only and no auto's in comp trucks and all clutches have to be Exedy Safari Tuff and all diff locks have to be ARB airlockers, where do I stop!!!!! Think of my sales if I did that.

Just to make it a lot fairer, the next time I am talking (which happens to be a lot lately) to Vehicle Standards (these are the people that tell Transport what the rules are) I will ask if they are legal or not.

And if I get a clear answer regards being legal on any rim there could be a rule change, but don't hold your breath at the moment.

Cheers
David

So David it is legal and roadworthy to have a non factory cage and harness fitted instead off the factory seat belts ?

[Red04VXE]

The tyre size will be govened by what you are allowed on your vehicle:-

You will be allowed to increase your tyre size by 15mm over the largest optioned tyre for that model range of vehicle. There will be a 3mm tolerance given. This will be a measured size at 24PSI

Cheers
David

Is that how QLD Transport measure them? I thought they went by whats written on the sidewall?

[Big-Fella4x4]

F%$#@ ME!! Obviously by the past few post's of sarcasm and bullshit style of questions, none of you want anyone to have, or try to set up a cheaper PRODUCTION style of competition.

Remember that SAFETY has to come first so the roll cages and full harness HAS TO BE THERE.

Have a good lie down and a couple of aspirins if it all seems too much for you.

GET BLOODY OVER YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loopy31]

F%$#@ ME!! Obviously by the past few post's of sarcasm and bullshit style of questions, none of you want anyone to have, or try to set up a cheaper PRODUCTION style of competition.

Remember that SAFETY has to come first so the roll cages and full harness HAS TO BE THERE.

Have a good lie down and a couple of aspirins if it all seems too much for you.

GET BLOODY OVER YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

x2x2x2

[frp88]

F%$#@ ME!! Obviously by the past few post's of sarcasm and bullshit style of questions, none of you want anyone to have, or try to set up a cheaper PRODUCTION style of competition.

Remember that SAFETY has to come first so the roll cages and full harness HAS TO BE THERE.

Have a good lie down and a couple of aspirins if it all seems too much for you.

GET BLOODY OVER YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason I am asking is if Dave wants it roadworthy and with rego than there is no point in doing mods that aren't going to be approved. I think have a truck sit at my place and paying rego for a year for 3 or 4 comps is stupid I still need to drive it LEGAL on the road. The cage is the most amount of $ I can't weld it myself can I.

[FESTA]

# STAUN internal beadlocks are road legal.
# STUAN have road legal rims that suit their bead locks,not just any rim with an extra hole drilled in them.
# STAUN have done DMT & RTA LEGALITY checks & tests in
AUSTRALIA (all states)
USA
FRANCE
UK
& their product has passed all the required legal requirements.
# STAUN internal beadlocks make FWDING safer in any situation that you might need to lower the tyre pressure,ie MUD, snow, sand, ect.

(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS AS THEY ARE RTA APROVED ???
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS FOR SAFTY REASONS ????
(Q) WHY CANT WE USE STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS, AS THEY ARE A SHELF ITEM AT MOST LEADING 4WD & TYRE ACCESSORIE SHOPS ????

no beadlocks pig , whats the big deal

[XTREME MMM]

F%$#@ ME!! Obviously by the past few post's of sarcasm and bullshit style of questions, none of you want anyone to have, or try to set up a cheaper PRODUCTION style of competition.

Remember that SAFETY has to come first so the roll cages and full harness HAS TO BE THERE.

Have a good lie down and a couple of aspirins if it all seems too much for you.

GET BLOODY OVER YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason I am asking is if Dave wants it roadworthy and with rego than there is no point in doing mods that aren't going to be approved. I think have a truck sit at my place and paying rego for a year for 3 or 4 comps is stupid I still need to drive it LEGAL on the road. The cage is the most amount of $ I can't weld it myself can I.

Thanks for the reply Duncan. And also to Loopy for backing him up.

It is legal in Queensland to fit a full cage as required, NSW you might have to have a removable "A" pillar bar. Seat belts you must keep your original belts in and use them on the road. And yes you can also get the harness approved.

As for your factory cage FRP 88. If you want to trust your life with the factory so called cage (seat belt mount) by all means do it, but as far as competition goes it is not worth a piece of SHI>>> if anything happens.

So how much do you put on yours and if ever you had, a co-drivers LIFE??????????

As for comps, you would have at least 10 winch challenge events you could compete in, 9 of these events are Queensland based.

Answer to Red04VXE, Please read the rules on my web site and get correct information regards tyre size, as what you have quoted on was only a part of the DRAFT RULES.

And as this is my event and not Queensland Transport I will measure the tyres any way I want. BTW this is how I have done it for many years to stop people from trying to cheat.

For your information (which you seem not to know) tyre size is not taken off the side wall, it is taken from the national recognised tyre size guide which is set down by all tyre manufactures.

Please if you are planing to enter, toss all your questions forward or give me a call.

If you are a tyre kicker, keep kicking and get another answer from Duncan.


Cheers
David

[1MadEngineer]

FAAAAAAARK you guys carry on!
MMM always sets down a VERY comprehensive set of rules, which give manageable targets and guideline to build to! and the biggest thing is that he will let you build RIGHT to the edge of the rules, HE ALWAYS gives you a DEFINITIVE LINE for ALL modifications. Which is very unlike other competition organisors, which are lax on specific rulings and then whinge and bitch when vehicles out-perform others (generally ones they have a vested interest in ).

You should all be greatfull for MMM's effort on providing a fantastic platform for you all to compete!!

RANT OVER!!

[gut42]

MMM could you please explain the "how to" and "what for" on the statutory declaration for me? I have no idea what they are and how to get them???

[frp88]

F%$#@ ME!! Obviously by the past few post's of sarcasm and bullshit style of questions, none of you want anyone to have, or try to set up a cheaper PRODUCTION style of competition.

Remember that SAFETY has to come first so the roll cages and full harness HAS TO BE THERE.

Have a good lie down and a couple of aspirins if it all seems too much for you.

GET BLOODY OVER YOURSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason I am asking is if Dave wants it roadworthy and with rego than there is no point in doing mods that aren't going to be approved. I think have a truck sit at my place and paying rego for a year for 3 or 4 comps is stupid I still need to drive it LEGAL on the road. The cage is the most amount of $ I can't weld it myself can I.

Thanks for the reply Duncan. And also to Loopy for backing him up.

It is legal in Queensland to fit a full cage as required, NSW you might have to have a removable "A" pillar bar. Seat belts you must keep your original belts in and use them on the road. And yes you can also get the harness approved.

As for your factory cage FRP 88. If you want to trust your life with the factory so called cage (seat belt mount) by all means do it, but as far as competition goes it is not worth a piece of SHI>>> if anything happens.

So how much do you put on yours and if ever you had, a co-drivers LIFE??????????

As for comps, you would have at least 10 winch challenge events you could compete in, 9 of these events are Queensland based.

Answer to Red04VXE, Please read the rules on my web site and get correct information regards tyre size, as what you have quoted on was only a part of the DRAFT RULES.

And as this is my event and not Queensland Transport I will measure the tyres any way I want. BTW this is how I have done it for many years to stop people from trying to cheat.

For your information (which you seem not to know) tyre size is not taken off the side wall, it is taken from the national recognised tyre size guide which is set down by all tyre manufactures.

Please if you are planing to enter, toss all your questions forward or give me a call.

If you are a tyre kicker, keep kicking and get another answer from Duncan.


Cheers
David

Well I feel quite save thanks and I don't think that I need more protection rolling down hill than having a roll over crash at 100 km/h. Anyway like you said it is your event which mean tough luck for me

[Modified Toy]

If you want to live i would build a custom cage for this event most compeditors and running more bracing in there cages than what the rules specify double b pillar hoops side braces etc most that have done this have been in a good roll,This should be the most important as you only get one go at this......

[Slunnie]

Well I feel quite save thanks and I don't think that I need more protection rolling down hill than having a roll over crash at 100 km/h. Anyway like you said it is your event which mean tough luck for me

Darwinism is not legal my friend.

[frp88]

If you want to live i would build a custom cage for this event most compeditors and running more bracing in there cages than what the rules specify double b pillar hoops side braces etc most that have done this have been in a good roll,This should be the most important as you only get one go at this......

As I said I was thinking this class would be affordable for me too enter my daily driver. I can't afford to spend that much $ on a winch and electrical system upgrade plus the cage that all. I'll just watch and see other having fun and learn to see where I can save to enter in the future.

[XTREME MMM]

Just an update on rules:-

Front control arms can now be aftermarket, but must use the original mounts and be of same design as original.

Will change rules on web site this week.

Cheers
David

[gut42]

Thats grouse Dave I hate changing those arms!!!!