ford 5.4L into gu

Post by **ashbilt** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:51 pm

righto you blokes i need a hand, i know a bloke who has a 5.4L, wants it in his gu. first big issue is bellhousing/conversion kit or lack there of. anyone who knows anywhere that may be some help please let me know(marks dont want a bar of it an dellow not doing anything at this stage).

cheers,
ash.

Post by **NutterGQ** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:57 pm

why bother, they make little power, poor tourqe at low revs are incredibly wide and even in stock form slower than even the base model XR6 turbo, theres a reason why everyone goes gen 3's or turbo 6's

Post by **matto** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:18 am

hey mate, I wanted to do this mod to mine just to be different but it was to hard to get adaptors. I think even if you get an adaptor you will still have trouble, the gem 3 mods have been out for ages and companies like marks are still fine tuning there adaptor package. I would go the ls2 6lt if i was going to do it again.

Post by RN » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:55 am

I am with Nutter. The 5.4 is a very wide block due to it being OHC. The thing is fairly gutless down low until you hit about 3000 revs then it starts to deliver. In the Falcon they feel nose heavy compared to the XR6T ( my favourite in our stable of vehicles)

Good luck. Personally a 5.8 Windsor may deliver the goods better if you want a Ford V8 but 5.4 is not my first choice. Cough, swallowing pride, I would prefer a GM 6 litre over the 5.4 blue oval

Post by **ashbilt** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:16 pm

yea i have taken al those things into concideration but i think i may have forgoten to mension the 10 pound blower thats goin to be atatched, noones done this mod so we're up for the challenge, no point doin something ya dont want just cos its easy, i have the 220kw 5Lwindor in mine is sweet so each to there own ay

Post by **mud_runner_GQ** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:01 pm

NutterGQ wrote:why bother, they make little power, poor tourqe at low revs are incredibly wide and even in stock form slower than even the base model XR6 turbo, theres a reason why everyone goes gen 3's or turbo 6's

well the 5.4 24v only makes 5kw less then the gen3. also the gen 3 don't make max power till 5200rpm were the 5.4 makes max power at 4750rpm.
just food for thought.
id get a belhousing made up to fit a C4 behind the 5.4.
also which 5.4??? 24v or 32v???

barra220 3v
Torque 470Nm @ 3250-3250rpm

boss260
Power 260kW @ 5250rpm

Torque 500Nm @ 4250-4250rpm

Gen3
Power 225kW @ 5200rpm

Torque 460Nm @ 4400-4400rpm

Post by **ashbilt** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:28 pm

mud_runner_GQ wrote:
NutterGQ wrote:why bother, they make little power, poor tourqe at low revs are incredibly wide and even in stock form slower than even the base model XR6 turbo, theres a reason why everyone goes gen 3's or turbo 6's
well the 5.4 24v only makes 5kw less then the gen3. also the gen 3 don't make max power till 5200rpm were the 5.4 makes max power at 4750rpm.
just food for thought.
id get a belhousing made up to fit a C4 behind the 5.4.
also which 5.4??? 24v or 32v???

barra220 3v
Torque 470Nm @ 3250-3250rpm

boss260
Power 260kW @ 5250rpm

Torque 500Nm @ 4250-4250rpm

Gen3
Power 225kW @ 5200rpm

Torque 460Nm @ 4400-4400rpm

mm not sure which one mate its not mine but a guy i know, really wants it ay he doesnt wanna stoop to the chev an theres not enough ford conversions out there

Post by **NutterGQ** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:20 am

mud_runner_GQ wrote:
NutterGQ wrote:why bother, they make little power, poor tourqe at low revs are incredibly wide and even in stock form slower than even the base model XR6 turbo, theres a reason why everyone goes gen 3's or turbo 6's
well the 5.4 24v only makes 5kw less then the gen3. also the gen 3 don't make max power till 5200rpm were the 5.4 makes max power at 4750rpm.
just food for thought.
id get a belhousing made up to fit a C4 behind the 5.4.
also which 5.4??? 24v or 32v???

barra220 3v
Torque 470Nm @ 3250-3250rpm

boss260
Power 260kW @ 5250rpm

Torque 500Nm @ 4250-4250rpm

Gen3
Power 225kW @ 5200rpm

Torque 460Nm @ 4400-4400rpm

ford over quotes it motors with no accessories, holden doesn't...

ford xr6t 240kw 0-400m 14.2
ford gt 290kw (tug tug) 14.4
vx clubby 255kw 13.9

all figures manuals...so once gain the 5.4 is a joke ford uses to make old dudes buy gt's over the xr6t.....and i'm a ford boy but after owning a gen 3 and turbo six as well as drivin few 5.4's I can say their not in the same league.

Post by **ashbilt** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:50 am

gettin away from my topic, i dont care who likes ford or holden or who thinks what of either, i just want this 5.4 in a patrol its going to be done just wanted some help on getting it in not for anyone to say do it the easy way an use a chev

Post by **ORSM4B** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:16 pm

l am with you Ash

go the Boss in a GQ or GU and then fit the Blue Power top mount superchager and have a nice 350rwkw with low boost.....NICE

Post by **ashbilt** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:14 pm

ORSM4B wrote:l am with you Ash

go the Boss in a GQ or GU and then fit the Blue Power top mount superchager and have a nice 350rwkw with low boost.....NICE

yea cheers mate at least theres someone else out there with half a brain too haha

Post by **matto** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:56 pm

if your going to do the ford option my only advice would be to get the headers on/fabricated before you weld in your chassis mounts. the exhaust was the hardest part for me.

Post by **Hoonz** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:24 pm

a N/A 5.4 with full exhaust and good intake and a tune will be sweet to drive in a patrol

set of 4.6 diff ratios will keep it lively

Post by **cooki_monsta** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:46 am

have contemplated this convo, a few times actually, would be a ripper setup for a 4b, its all about power delivery, just take the stock cam out and regrind to move power more down low, it would hammer.

and iiirc dellows automotive make a conversion kit for it (as its just a big windsor) not sure about the engine mounts but best give them a call!

www.dellowsauto.com.au i think

Post by **1TUFFGQ** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:25 pm

mud_runner_GQ wrote:
NutterGQ wrote:why bother, they make little power, poor tourqe at low revs are incredibly wide and even in stock form slower than even the base model XR6 turbo, theres a reason why everyone goes gen 3's or turbo 6's
well the 5.4 24v only makes 5kw less then the gen3. also the gen 3 don't make max power till 5200rpm were the 5.4 makes max power at 4750rpm.
just food for thought.
id get a belhousing made up to fit a C4 behind the 5.4.
also which 5.4??? 24v or 32v???

barra220 3v
Torque 470Nm @ 3250-3250rpm

boss260
Power 260kW @ 5250rpm

Torque 500Nm @ 4250-4250rpm

Gen3
Power 225kW @ 5200rpm

Torque 460Nm @ 4400-4400rpm

Nothing a cam and tune wouldn't fix in either engine.
They are a big engine though(Boss). Would you be running the ford box or adapt to the Nissan box. Do they have an adapter for this conversion yet?

Post by **ashbilt** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:22 am

yea preferably the nissan box mate but thats where the issue is, noone does a bellhousing yet

Post by **cooki_monsta** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 7:21 am

dellows do!

Post by **turps** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:26 am

The 6spd ZF auto to nissan transfercase would be nice. Actually any trasfercase that puts the outputs in the right place would do the job.

Post by **ashbilt** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:18 pm

cooki_monsta wrote:dellows do!

ya sure? have spoken to them an at the time they didn't, how long ago did you find this out? i just emailed them again to see.

Post by **raptorthumper** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:34 pm

turps wrote:The 6spd ZF auto to nissan transfercase would be nice. Actually any trasfercase that puts the outputs in the right place would do the job.

I'm with Turps. I cant belive no one has done a 6 speed auto Patrol yet. Any of these three; xr6 turbo, or 5.4 V8 with ZF 6hp26 auto or a holden 6 litre gen iv and 6L80e 6 speed.

Post by **turps** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:17 pm

raptorthumper wrote:
turps wrote:The 6spd ZF auto to nissan transfercase would be nice. Actually any trasfercase that puts the outputs in the right place would do the job.

I'm with Turps. I cant belive no one has done a 6 speed auto Patrol yet. Any of these three; xr6 turbo, or 5.4 V8 with ZF 6hp26 auto or a holden 6 litre gen iv and 6L80e 6 speed.

I think from Bru's buggy build. There was discussion about the 6L80e and there where concerns about its strength and ability to build it strong. Havent heard of anything about the ZF in the Ford.

Just the way the shifter works in there cars I think the 5 or 6spd autos would be nice. I know Andrew from Ontrack tried the GU 5spd auto in his ute. But they couldnt get it to hold together behind a turbo4.8lt.

Post by **ashbilt** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:21 pm

interesting! i've just been informed that the auto is actaully bein looked into as we speak

Post by **Jacked** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 4:20 pm

holden and ford also use a different rateing to measure power. alot like imperial to metric.
i think its about 5-10 kw different at 300 kw. with holden using the system that reads under and ford that reads above.

i would think with the 5.4 you would run into the similar engine management and security problems as with the 6 cylinder. would be easier to do as you have no variable cams to deal with. but still expensive

gen3 is a more powerful motor, its cheaper, easier to install and make more powerfull, aftermarket support is amazing.

go for it.. but good luck, you will need it

Post by **cooki_monsta** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:30 pm

sorry i think i need to be more specific, the bolt pattern on the boss should be identical to the clevland v8's seeing as how a boss motor is a clevland bottom end with windsor top end, any how you wont need loads of help, i was involved with a windsor v8 conversion when no one did them, the guy had to get alot of custom fab parts but its awsome having that one of a kind car

also saying it was a ford with a ford engine, instead of a ford badged nissan running a holden 350 :S

Post by **ashbilt** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 5:33 pm

Jacked wrote:holden and ford also use a different rateing to measure power. alot like imperial to metric.
i think its about 5-10 kw different at 300 kw. with holden using the system that reads under and ford that reads above.

i would think with the 5.4 you would run into the similar engine management and security problems as with the 6 cylinder. would be easier to do as you have no variable cams to deal with. but still expensive

gen3 is a more powerful motor, its cheaper, easier to install and make more powerfull, aftermarket support is amazing.

go for it.. but good luck, you will need it

yea mate microtech is the go i have it on my 5L(ford in gq) my mate has it on 355 in gq an other mate has it on turbo tb42 we all happy so no isues with that mate

Post by **Hoonz** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:08 pm

i vote boss conversion is it a 260 or 290?

it would definately be one of a kind ....
check out ford forums. www.fordforums.com.au for any tech info
basic bolt ons will give you plenty of power
zaust plenty of cold air and a tune and some under drives and oil pump gears should see you about 250 at the wheels

4.6 diff gears and it'll be a weapon

Post by **NutterGQ** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:27 pm

cooki_monsta wrote:sorry i think i need to be more specific, the bolt pattern on the boss should be identical to the clevland v8's seeing as how a boss motor is a clevland bottom end with windsor top end, any how you wont need loads of help, i was involved with a windsor v8 conversion when no one did them, the guy had to get alot of custom fab parts but its awsome having that one of a kind car also saying it was a ford with a ford engine, instead of a ford badged nissan running a holden 350 :S

not that kinda boss, were talkin quadcam piece of shit here.

Post by **ashbilt** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:39 pm

Hoonz wrote:i vote boss conversion is it a 260 or 290?

it would definately be one of a kind ....
check out ford forums. www.fordforums.com.au for any tech info
basic bolt ons will give you plenty of power
zaust plenty of cold air and a tune and some under drives and oil pump gears should see you about 250 at the wheels

4.6 diff gears and it'll be a weapon

yea only a 260 but has a blower ready to go on it an i actually found the guy doin it on the ford forum ay, cheers, an yea 4.6 will be good as they arnt a big torque motor but not to sure on wheel size atm either

Post by **luv4bee'n** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:40 pm

Good to see there are some individual PEOPLE out there.

I'm getn a bit sick and tired of SHEEPLE, that follow the flock.

This is supposed to be an info thread not an opinion thread. I know of a supercharged boss gt that makes 687kws at the wheels. So ya 250kws will be a snore for it. GO FOR IT M8 GET IT DONE. Then we can all read and weep

Post by **nzdarin** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:58 pm

Hell yeah. Like Nike say 'Just do it'.
People do the LSx conversions because they are easy and they are easy to get bolt on stuff for. Easy doesn't mean good it just means easy.

I would definietly go auto as it will get the power to the ground better than the manual. I'd also think seriously about aftermarket ecu. They make it real easy to tune and then you can even have different maps in your laptop that you just change depending on race, weather etc. A high tech motor (as opposed to a pushrod anchor) gives you a lot more option to tune and therefore make better power.

I'd still do the XR6t though, and that is my plan for my next truck in a couple of years. Then I'll have a nice turbo Nissan V8 to sell to someone.

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