Ateco Challenge

[Smithy jnr]

Ateco Entry forms are on the CCDA web site now.
There are already a hand full of entries recieved, so get in early as it is limited to 30 teams.
The Ateco is on August 14, 15, 16 at Bindaree, Willow Grove (near Warragul)
There will be some interesting changes this year with 5 min intervals between vehicles on some stages.
Competitors will be given scrutineering check-in times for Friday 14th.

See you there.

[Daggy]

Hi smithy junior and mel just checking that you recieved my entry form that i faxed yesterday hope that is all ok !

Looking foward to the event hope to see everybody there!!

ps. who else has entered or is entering???

Cheers Daggy

[Smithy jnr]

Got your entry form Daggy, look forward to seeing you there. The night stage will be started at 5 min intervals and it should be HUGE. To encourage early entries we are considering starting you in your class, in the order that your entry form comes in. So get in early....

[bagsy]

30 teams , why is that ? .

[gqpete]

hmm, night time 5 min apart leave, hooking along around corner, car in front blows electrics etc / whatever, is not driving stationary , has no lights. BAM !!!

[goodie]

should be there doin something, cant wait!

[Ruffy]

hmm, night time 5 min apart leave, hooking along around corner, car in front blows electrics etc / whatever, is not driving stationary , has no lights. BAM !!!

Well then best you take it easy around the corners then Pete

[SHAYNE]

hmm, night time 5 min apart leave, hooking along around corner, car in front blows electrics etc / whatever, is not driving stationary , has no lights. BAM !!!

Get with the program Pete, thats what the red triangle was for at round 2. Cars didnt make up 5 mins on a ten minute stage and if u somehow manage to catchthe car in front of you, all those lights on your car should light the car in front up enough to see it.

[Smithy jnr]

Oh boy! the Marathon will be fun. What about 5 min intervals if it is wet & 3 mins if it is dry?? Alan Mac has the cousre worked out, probably 15mins long. Full circuit of the block. Red triangles are compulsory, on hand in front of car for navvy to dash back 25m's when you have stopped other than at an obstacle.
YEAH!!

[gqpete]

hmm, night time 5 min apart leave, hooking along around corner, car in front blows electrics etc / whatever, is not driving stationary , has no lights. BAM !!!

Get with the program Pete, thats what the red triangle was for at round 2. Cars didnt make up 5 mins on a ten minute stage and if u somehow manage to catchthe car in front of you, all those lights on your car should light the car in front up enough to see it.

not talking bout catching cars, talking bout an obsticle (broke steering box on car , rollover etc) blocking track and causing 30 sec delay to bush bash around causing a disadvantage over previous competitors.
just asking if we have to wear the 30 sec or more as bad luck or it gets deducted for a fair resulting time.
but nothing like this could ever happen in our wildest dreams , such as a broken car that is undrivable or has hit a stump/tree and has to be recovered or repaired on the spot. so disregard and sorry to waste everyones time.

[krimnl]

hmm, night time 5 min apart leave, hooking along around corner, car in front blows electrics etc / whatever, is not driving stationary , has no lights. BAM !!!

Get with the program Pete, thats what the red triangle was for at round 2. Cars didnt make up 5 mins on a ten minute stage and if u somehow manage to catchthe car in front of you, all those lights on your car should light the car in front up enough to see it.

not talking bout catching cars, talking bout an obsticle (broke steering box on car , rollover etc) blocking track and causing 30 sec delay to bush bash around causing a disadvantage over previous competitors.
just asking if we have to wear the 30 sec or more as bad luck or it gets deducted for a fair resulting time.
but nothing like this could ever happen in our wildest dreams , such as a broken car that is undrivable or has hit a stump/tree and has to be recovered or repaired on the spot. so disregard and sorry to waste everyones time.

you been drinking Pete??

[MUD EMPIRE]

Well then best you take it easy around the corners then Pete

you been drinking Pete??

It doesn't seem that anyone has a proper response to an obvious massive safety issue. If the only answer is to side step the question then the idea of running multiple cars on the same course at the same time must be scrapped.

Safety...in all its forms is a major talking point at the CCDA meetings atm.

Not trying to create a huge debate,.....just want Petes concerns answered in a proper manner.

[gqpete]

couldn't give a f^%k bout safety, thats a different debate. i'm talking lost time due to an obsticle that wasn't there for the first 10 cars. eg if a tree /car falls/breaks onto stage after half the feild has driven it (yes it did happen at ateco), is that obsticle now part of the track or do we clear the obsticle for the remaining competitors as not to disadvantage.
F($KN SIMPLE F$@KN QUESTION.

[gqpete]

hmm, night time 5 min apart leave, hooking along around corner, car in front blows electrics etc / whatever, is not driving stationary , has no lights. BAM !!!

Well then best you take it easy around the corners then Pete

[Dynamic GQ]

As the rules stand ATM, if a car knocks down a tree & it falls across the track it does not get moved for the next car (happened to me @ ATECO last year). So how is a car stopped or winching on the track any different?

30 sec lost for going around a stationary car. You would have to be driving as slow as me to waist that much time.

[Ruffy]

Yep it's called Competition and luck of the draw...
I can recall a few stages i've had to compete on after three or four 200kw plus cars have destroyed the surface.. do i get it regraded before my run? No.. One man's misfortune is another mans good fortune It all evens out in the end.

[gqpete]

As the rules stand ATM, if a car knocks down a tree & it falls across the track it does not get moved for the next car (happened to me @ ATECO last year). So how is a car stopped or winching on the track any different?

30 sec lost for going around a stationary car. You would have to be driving as slow as me to waist that much time.

depends on the vegitation around, if its that easy to drive round scott, you can make tracks on your own for the next working bee.
so basically we don't have to bank up at the start anymore like in the past, if a car had broke usualy it would be removed or moved to a safe place and run the next car. so if a car is stuck on the winch hill with a blown winch, your quiet happy to run next scott and ruffy and bush bash , your way and winch up cliff etc and continue. basicaly make your own track.

[gqpete]

Yep it's called Competition and luck of the draw...
I can recall a few stages i've had to compete on after three or four 200kw plus cars have destroyed the surface.. do i get it regraded before my run? No.. One man's misfortune is another mans good fortune It all evens out in the end.

not talking damaged track, 71kw can do same damage. you don't get what im saying at all.

[narnturbogq]

The same system was used at Albury with the same intervals, with no real issues, even when one competitor ripped of a knuckle hub. Five minutes doesn't sound like much but when you see it in practice, it's quite a long time, and even a driver like Pete is gunna have to be on it to catch the car in front. Plus with the uhf's you should get at least some warning if there is an accident.

[rampage3]

for once im with you pete look at ontrack sss got held up in first five min behind a car, then one hill wiped out 70% of the cars with to cars hit by others had no time to do nothing but get out of the way and watch coops arse rape my car.

[TRobbo]

the time difference over a 20 minute stage between the lead cars and the tail of the group is often 15 + minutes.

If you have an obstacle that is single vehicle width then if a car gets stuck their, everyone behind has to wait. It doesn't take long to catch up to someone who winches where others drive. The middle stage on Sunday at last years ateco was a great example. The entry / exit of the river crossing last year saw some cars get really stuck, taking 30 + minutes to get them out and there was no way round if you were running multilpe cars at once.

Doesn't mean it can't be done but you do need to plan running order carefully and make sure that every obstacle is multi vehicle wide or enough time is allowed to ensure the worst point of the track is clear before the next team starts.

I'm sure smithi an Al can do this

[Smithy jnr]

The tracks where this will occur will be designed to ensure safety and obstacles if and where they occur have options, also where required there will be a staging box where vehicles & the clock can be stopped at various locations around the course if a problem occurs.
It is not the first time we have done this, it worked perfectly at the last two events, and is primarily designed around driving stages rather than hard core winch stages. It allows us to run longer driving stages, so the competitors get more time behind the wheel. In a driving stage of 20 min, it is really very difficult to make up 5 min.
Get your entry in early, and come to the property to pre-run the tracks on the working bees, if you see something you don't like you can help change it.
See you there

[gqpete]

The tracks where this will occur will be designed to ensure safety and obstacles if and where they occur have options, also where required there will be a staging box where vehicles & the clock can be stopped at various locations around the course if a problem occurs.
It is not the first time we have done this, it worked perfectly at the last two events, and is primarily designed around driving stages rather than hard core winch stages. It allows us to run longer driving stages, so the competitors get more time behind the wheel. In a driving stage of 20 min, it is really very difficult to make up 5 min.
Get your entry in early, and come to the property to pre-run the tracks on the working bees, if you see something you don't like you can help change it.
See you there

i'm all for this having multiple trucks racing at same time.
NOT TALKING ABOUT CATCHING OTHER CARS AT ALL OR SAFETY!!!!!!!
im talking if a car breaks can we get around when we get to him, parts of almacs are heavily treed, it is not always possible to just drive around easily. if its outback, etc there is f#*K all vegitation, drive were you want without loosing time.

if time is lost what happens????????????

we all know that 20 seconds can be difference between 35th and 2nd sometimes.

[gqpete]

for once im with you pete look at ontrack sss got held up in first five min behind a car, then one hill wiped out 70% of the cars with to cars hit by others had no time to do nothing but get out of the way and watch coops arse rape my car.

souds like the answer is "tough luck" and "its the luck of the draw". we may aswell just pick names from a hat to decide the winner then

[gqpete]

the time difference over a 20 minute stage between the lead cars and the tail of the group is often 15 + minutes.

If you have an obstacle that is single vehicle width then if a car gets stuck their, everyone behind has to wait. It doesn't take long to catch up to someone who winches where others drive. The middle stage on Sunday at last years ateco was a great example. The entry / exit of the river crossing last year saw some cars get really stuck, taking 30 + minutes to get them out and there was no way round if you were running multilpe cars at once.

Doesn't mean it can't be done but you do need to plan running order carefully and make sure that every obstacle is multi vehicle wide or enough time is allowed to ensure the worst point of the track is clear before the next team starts.

I'm sure smithi an Al can do this

you know what i mean

[Big Pootrol]

if time is lost what happens????????????

we all know that 20 seconds can be difference between 35th and 2nd sometimes.[/quote]


2ND HEY HOON WHAT YOU WORRIED ABOUT YOUR ALWAYS 1ST, WONT MATTER TO YA

[kurmit]

So Many people playing for sheep stations, over the years so many people have been held up on different stages by numerous different obsticles so why dusent every body just concentrate on getting there cars ready and worry about it when and if it happens, stop all your sooking the system worked fine in Albury so why wont it work at Als place.

[Ruffy]

Yep it's called Competition and luck of the draw...
I can recall a few stages i've had to compete on after three or four 200kw plus cars have destroyed the surface.. do i get it regraded before my run? No.. One man's misfortune is another mans good fortune It all evens out in the end.

not talking damaged track, 71kw can do same damage. you don't get what im saying at all.

Yes Pete, i do get what you are saying, you don't get what i'm saying...
As i see it, as log as the rules are known and consistent for the event then everyone has the same chance of benefiting or being disadvantaged as anyone else.. it doesn't matter wether it's a broken down car, a knocked over tree, a rock torn out of the ground or ruts dug into a hill, it's all part of the comp. Yes sometimes it's unfair, but have you ever complained when it's worked in your favour and asked to give the time back???
Starting first or last on a stage can be either and advantage or disavantage aswell but every competitor, except the first, is exposed to the same potential risk.. I'd be pissed if it happened to me, but i also enter the comp kknowing the format..

[big scotty]

there is a small group of us going up on sunday to do track we are meeting at the first clearing at als farm now as sweetwater track meeting there at 930 am will be good to see some people there to help out

[ads80]

just downloaded the entry form and read that we will comply with v9 and supp regs for the event, any chance of seeing the supp regs before we enter???????????????????