Desludging a 2H whats the go?

[turkey]

Hi guys, I'm in the middle of transplanting another 2H into my Troopy. The motor is just a secondhandy that I picked up and I am wondering about the benefits of running a desludger or something through it before filling it with the good stuff. Whats the go here? Is it worth it? Pros and cons? Have searched but search sucks.... Any advice appreciated cheers

[SCANAS]

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic173466-30.php

few ideas here....Enjoy

[80's_delirious]

drain the oil and fill it with deisel and run it at idle for 5-10min. deisel will stil provide lubrication and clean out the sludge

[SCANAS]

cooter had some interesting comments on this method in above thread

[lokka]

cooter had some interesting comments on this method in above thread

Yep and he is right too dont do the deso in the sump trick its not a good move ...
Go the cost effective way it works have seen it clean out shit that we never knew was in the engin best 110 spent on any jap deso engin ...

[turkey]

Jesus now I am farken confused

Not sure about the diesel thing now as this motor has unknown km's. The bloke I bought it off in melbourne said he had the head off to do a changeover about 5k ago and everything looked mickey mouse inside and externally there is no leaks from what I can see. I am wanting to get it running so I can do a compression test to see how good it is....

Thanks heaps so far fella's, off to do a bit more research now me thinks!

Edit ok looking into to CEM gear now!

[turkey]

How much of this gear would i need to do the 2H? Would the 250ml kit of both the FOC and cleanpower gear be enough http://www.costeffective.com.au/show_cat.php what have you blokes used before?

Edit again what about the FTC decarboniser gear is it worth doing that too, any experience?

Now before I picked the motor up the previous owner drained the oil as I was trailering the thing back to Adelaide from Melbourne. Can I just use some cheapo shit new oil to run the treatments through then dump the lot or do I need to use a diesel oil? Should be ok if its only running for a few minutes ya reckon?

[beinthemud]

you could tip 500mls of diesel in it , Think id avoid filling it with diesel i dought it would lubricte enough
as its not oil
the only thing with diesel in the oil is its not great for the seals
their is some oil flushes on the market which are fantastic we sell a trade use only one which is great
I tend to do 3 quick changes of oil and filters and leave it at that

[lokka]

With the FOC we used the elcheapo oil and filter from super cheap... what we did was drain old oil and remove filter then refit elceapo filter and fill with elcheapo oil and FOC run engin for 30min at 1200-1500 RPM then dump oil and filter .. refit new good quality filter and good quality oil then run as usual till next service .. just before next service ad recomended amount of FOC and run engin for a while then do usual oil change ....
All instructions come with the gear andits fairly simple and works verry well my old mans 1HD-FT runs heaps cleaner the oil dosent carbon as bad and runs alot smother well it did its now deveolped a miss due to a PCV problem that we didnt see coming and he has tryed the FTC decarboniser to clean the exhaust valves and it has made an improvement tho looks like the head needs to come off for a service and an oil catch can needs to be added to prevent oilmist going into the combustion chamber and causing problems ...

[beinthemud]

With the FOC we used the elcheapo oil and filter from super cheap... what we did was drain old oil and remove filter then refit elceapo filter and fill with elcheapo oil and FOC run engin for 30min at 1200-1500 RPM then dump oil and filter .. refit new good quality filter and good quality oil then run as usual till next service .. just before next service ad recomended amount of FOC and run engin for a while then do usual oil change ....
All instructions come with the gear andits fairly simple and works verry well my old mans 1HD-FT runs heaps cleaner the oil dosent carbon as bad and runs alot smother well it did its now deveolped a miss due to a PCV problem that we didnt see coming and he has tryed the FTC decarboniser to clean the exhaust valves and it has made an improvement tho looks like the head needs to come off for a service and an oil catch can needs to be added to prevent oilmist going into the combustion chamber and causing problems ...

nice I like

[lokka]

With the FOC we used the elcheapo oil and filter from super cheap... what we did was drain old oil and remove filter then refit elceapo filter and fill with elcheapo oil and FOC run engin for 30min at 1200-1500 RPM then dump oil and filter .. refit new good quality filter and good quality oil then run as usual till next service .. just before next service ad recomended amount of FOC and run engin for a while then do usual oil change ....
All instructions come with the gear andits fairly simple and works verry well my old mans 1HD-FT runs heaps cleaner the oil dosent carbon as bad and runs alot smother well it did its now deveolped a miss due to a PCV problem that we didnt see coming and he has tryed the FTC decarboniser to clean the exhaust valves and it has made an improvement tho looks like the head needs to come off for a service and an oil catch can needs to be added to prevent oilmist going into the combustion chamber and causing problems ...

nice I like

I dont as im the one who has to do the head reco in a few weeks and its a love job i hate love jobs

[turkey]

Sweet! Just the sort of info I'm after thanks fellas, will get some of the CEM stuff ordered in next week and give it a bash once I get the damn thing finished and running

[beinthemud]

If the engines realy bad In your appinon
less is prolly best
so more small doses maybe better than one wacking dose

[turkey]

Engine condition is unknown at this stage until I hear it running, but was told it was a good strong running motor when it was pulled. Im just into preventative maintenence and would rather get it right from the get go and have it last as long as possible. Have a couple of broken bolt issues to sort out then finish putting the cooling system in then voila she should be ready to fire up on Sunday hopefully

[trains]

DO NOT USE DIESEL IN YOUR SUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The pressure on your big end bearings is in the tonnes range when its idling, same as wide open throttle in a petrol.

You run the risk of engine damage, and it self fueling, and having an engine run away too.

Diesel does not have the lubricating properties to prevent damage occouring.

Only time ive seen diesel used in sumps was when the diesel mechs were too lazy to clean the engine, and used it just before the engine was to be taken down, and fully rebuild, it it had done millions of kms.
Never did i see it used as a valid service tool.

If you do want to use diesel, then take the rocker cover off, and with a kero gun, clean down the drains in the head, and allow it to soak in your already emptied sump, and then drain it.
this will take alot of the gunk off your walls of the motor and sump, then run frequent oil and filter changes for the month.
Ie change oil and filter each week.


If you choose to use diesel instead of oil, well I spose its your choice, but I would not reccomend that you do that .

T

[turkey]

Thanks for the advice fellas I think I am going to go down CEM route for the sake of a $110 once its all up and running. I will only be able to get it running for short periods this weekend hopefully because I am going from a turbo setup back to NA with extractors so the exhaust is not joined back up yet, getting that done next week hopefully.

I have decided to just fill with regular quality oil for now until I can give it a good run then going to order some of the CEM treatment next week and will run that through in a couple of weeks when I do an initial oil and filter change.

I know this has been done to death a million times before no doubt and have generally used the good Penrite gear in the past but is there any newer/better recommendations for an old chugger such as this?