Car Hoons and Suspension heights 4x4s inc

[Slunnie]

Here's something interesting that maybe worthwhile knowing about the RTA and their perspectives on VSI50 that may also shed some more light on the situation:

The RTA view the introduction of VSB14 (NCOP) as being a national minimum standard of vehicle modification. The states have the power to vary vehicle compliance requirements according to conditions, and that as NSW requirements require, they will over ride VSB14. The RTA has advice from vehicle manufacturers that vehicles which have ride height variations of greater than 50mm will adversely affect their safety.

In terms of making VSI50 a workable sheet for policing, the police have the call to target vehicles with greater variations from the manufacturers heights and to leave lesser variations to continue unapproached.

Conditional registration will mean that permission will be granted to transit modified (50-150mm) vehicles to a competitive event by the shortest possible route for the purpose of competing. This does not allow the use as "daily driver" vehicles. The details of conditional registration are still being worked out and there will be a FAQ released at a later date.

The VSI50 is however a live document, and the RTA will look at submissions for variation, such as that from the AAAA's Vehicle lift project test report, but there is no assurances of adopting any proposals.

The imperative of VSI50 is to target the taller 4WD's on the roads.

VSI50 is NOT retrospective. However further modifications to a vehicle will need to be assessed by the engineer for overall safety and compliance and consider any changes in vehicle ride height which would bring it under VSI50.



Folks, be assured that there are some very clever and switched on people that are working for you, and so far the RTA have been communicative. Parading 37" tyres on Macquarie Street isn't at this stage going to help

[StarkRavingSimmo]

Here's something interesting that maybe worthwhile knowing about the RTA and their perspectives on VSI50 that may also shed some more light on the situation:

The RTA view the introduction of VSB14 (NCOP) as being a national minimum standard of vehicle modification. The states have the power to vary vehicle compliance requirements according to conditions, and that as NSW requirements require, they will over ride VSB14. The RTA has advice from vehicle manufacturers that vehicles which have ride height variations of greater than 50mm will adversely affect their safety.

In terms of making VSI50 a workable sheet for policing, the police have the call to target vehicles with greater variations from the manufacturers heights and to leave lesser variations to continue unapproached.

Conditional registration will mean that permission will be granted to transit modified (50-150mm) vehicles to a competitive event by the shortest possible route for the purpose of competing. This does not allow the use as "daily driver" vehicles. The details of conditional registration are still being worked out and there will be a FAQ released at a later date.

The VSI50 is however a live document, and the RTA will look at submissions for variation, such as that from the AAAA's Vehicle lift project test report, but there is no assurances of adopting any proposals.

The imperative of VSI50 is to target the taller 4WD's on the roads.

VSI50 is NOT retrospective. However further modifications to a vehicle will need to be assessed by the engineer for overall safety and compliance and consider any changes in vehicle ride height which would bring it under VSI50.



Folks, be assured that there are some very clever and switched on people that are working for you, and so far the RTA have been communicative. Parading 37" tyres on Macquarie Street isn't at this stage going to help

where did you get that info from mate?

[lump_a_charcoal]

We've won!!!!!

Hi Everyopne,

Michael Daley has just released a press release ataing that following this morning's meeting he has agreed to put the proposed VSI50 rule changes on hold.

Michael Daley was present at a meeting this morning because he has been bombarded with so many letters and emails from all of you at 4WD Action via the website and forumand other upset 4WDers he felt the need to sort this out. Your efforts in writing and emailing in are directly responsible for this outcome. We have spoken and we have been heard!

Because Minister Daley was at the meeting he was able to be convinced that the VSI50 rules needed more thought and a working group including reps from the RTA, 4WD user groups and the AAAA, aftermarket industry will be set up to discuss any further changes aimed at increasing road safety.

This is fantastic news for 4Wders and it has happened because of the combined fight that we all put in to prevent this.

Great work everyone, this is a hugely successful outcome and while nothing has been decided re new regulations this is a massive step forward for us.

Congratulations everyone and this has proven the collective power we have when we all stand up together for what is right.

Thanks again,

We have won the battle but noit teh war. We must keep[ pressure on to prevent future reg changes but you've all done a massive job here and should be very proud.

Glenn
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Glenn Wright
Editor
Australian 4WD Action magazine

[Slunnie]

where did you get that info from mate?

Minutes of the RTA, NSW/ACT FWDC, ANFWDC, AAAA meeting on Thurs 23rd July 2009.

[StarkRavingSimmo]

okay. Still sounds a bit worrying. Aimed at the taller 4wds out there....meaning?

[Bludge]

For all those who do not know, Greg Redfern is the President of 4WD NSW & ACT.

http://www.4wdnsw-act.asn.au
___________________________________________________________
NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS
MICHAEL DALEY MP
N E W S R E L E A S E
MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON CAR MODIFICATION LAWS
Wednesday 29 July 2009
Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD communityand car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult.
Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting.
“I’ve listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue,” he said.
“All of those who attended today’s meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out.
“The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety,
Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the
Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts,” Mr Daley said.
Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome.
“We’re passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer,” he said.
We’re looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account,” Mr Charity said.
Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support.
“We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and we’ll work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large,” he said.
“We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure they’re not punished,” Mr Redfern said.
Contact: 9228 5665

[Slunnie]

okay. Still sounds a bit worrying. Aimed at the taller 4wds out there....meaning?

I think just that.

The basis for VSI50 is vehicle safety, and in particular the severity of the impact from a vehicle onto another vehicle and its passengers. This is a concern to the government and they have considered that even a small reduction in the likelihood of injury is a worthwhile step. The RTA is moving in incremental steps to improve safety (though I'm not sure exactly what this means).

To also place this into context, the meeting was between the RTA, NSW/ACT FWDC, ANFWDC and the AAAA - who are all 4WD stakeholders, and it seems that it did not have people there who are involved with the complexities of VSI50 and its affects on those that lower vehicles. So, whether that comment related to lifted 4WD's because that was the relevant audience or becuase that was the the target for VSI50 is unknown to me, but I suspect the latter.

[StarkRavingSimmo]

so the days of decent 4wding are limited. one way or another

[Slunnie]

so the days of decent 4wding are limited. one way or another

Not sure. I think it will probably change the way in which 4WD's are built and driven. I recall a while ago Sam.O saying that with the rules in QLD that the trend was to build lower and more stable 4WD's that are armoured underneath and built to slide rather than clear. NCOP will def be the way to go if its a choice between VSB14 and VSI50.

It'll be interesting to see the trends in builds, but I suspect that with these sheets, that the trend may also be towards shorter wheel bases and those that come from the factory with a lot of factory clearance.

[StarkRavingSimmo]

I mean, i've got a patrol with a 4inch lift and 33's. Thats hardly huge and i'm building sway bar disconnects for it. It still handles fine and it brakes okay.

I mean i know blokes with 60 series that are sprung over and running bobcat tyres. Surely a better first step would be to start encouraging more legal 4wds than just screwing it all over?

[grimbo]

to everyone who made this happen

[lump_a_charcoal]

to everyone who made this happen

Stop being so negative...

[joeblow]

For all those who do not know, Greg Redfern is the President of 4WD NSW & ACT.

http://www.4wdnsw-act.asn.au
___________________________________________________________
NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS
MICHAEL DALEY MP
N E W S R E L E A S E
MINISTER AGREES TO FURTHER CONSULTATION ON CAR MODIFICATION LAWS
Wednesday 29 July 2009
Minister for Roads Michael Daley today met with representatives from the 4WD communityand car industry who asked for the introduction of proposed vehicle modification rules to be delayed and for more time to consult.
Mr Daley said he agreed to put the rule changes on hold and that more consultation was needed following the meeting.
“I’ve listened to feedback from the industry and the community, and have agreed to set up a working party to look more closely at how we are going to address this road safety issue,” he said.
“All of those who attended today’s meeting agreed that safety is paramount and that unsafe modifications of vehicles do need be stamped out.
“The working group will include representatives from the NSW Centre for Road Safety,
Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT, Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association, the
Australian 4WD Industry Council as well as other agencies and experts,” Mr Daley said.
Executive Director of Australian Automotive Aftermarket Association Stuart Charity said this was a terrific outcome.
“We’re passionate about road safety and we understand the intent of the regulation is to make the roads safer,” he said.
We’re looking forward to working towards a practical solution that meets road safety objectives while also taking industry views into account,” Mr Charity said.
Greg Redfern from Four Wheel Drive NSW-ACT also welcomed the outcome and said the working group would have their full support.
“We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and we’ll work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large,” he said.
“We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure they’re not punished,” Mr Redfern said.
Contact: 9228 5665

This is fantastic news, and well done to all, not only NSW but the rest of the country. This does NOT mean we should all become complacent about the topic. Lets keep our ears to the ground and as things develope pass it on to others.

I also hope this may be a shot in the arm to people who have not had thier vehicles engineered, and driving around town on 35ish plus tyres might not be a good thing. At the end of the day if we all show we are sensible and responsible we may be able to keep some decent engineering laws in place.

Once again, well done to all no matter how big or small the effort was.

[Bludge]

StarkRavingSimmo said

I mean, i've got a patrol with a 4inch lift and 33's. Thats hardly huge and i'm building sway bar disconnects for it. It still handles fine and it brakes okay.
I mean i know blokes with 60 series that are sprung over and running bobcat tyres. Surely a better first step would be to start encouraging more legal 4wds than just screwing it all over?

That is exactly what Greg Redfern said

“We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and we’ll work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large,” he said.
“We all agree that there is no place for [size=18]extreme and illegal modifications[/size], but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure they’re not punished,” Mr Redfern.

He is not even remotely suggesting that your 4" and 33's are illegal. But the 60's with spring over and Bobcat tyres.......

[StarkRavingSimmo]

StarkRavingSimmo said

I mean, i've got a patrol with a 4inch lift and 33's. Thats hardly huge and i'm building sway bar disconnects for it. It still handles fine and it brakes okay.
I mean i know blokes with 60 series that are sprung over and running bobcat tyres. Surely a better first step would be to start encouraging more legal 4wds than just screwing it all over?

That is exactly what Greg Redfern said

“We want to eliminate unsafe practices in the driving community and we’ll work with the government to make sure these new regulations meet those objectives without any adverse consequences for the motoring community at large,” he said.
“We all agree that there is no place for extreme and illegal modifications, but the clubs in our association follow a strict code of conduct and ethics, and we want to make sure they’re not punished,” Mr Redfern.

He is not even remotely suggesting that your 4" and 33's are illegal. But the 60's with spring over and Bobcat tyres.......

Ah sweet. I should have read that a bit more closely.

[dmould66]

just got reply from mr daley, standard one size fits all reply, hopefully the amount of emails etc gave them plenty of extra work and caused a rethink, good work to everyone who helped, keep sending them and get ready for round two