1.6 Vitara Conversion Questions

Post by **Mitchie** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:01 pm

Hi guys
My 1.3l shit its self on the weekend (cracked the No 4 piston) and now I need another engine for my zook and I’m looking at doing a 1.6 conversion either with using at 1.3 head, that has a hot cam, extractors and Weber 32/36 carbie or go to efi? I would prefer to keep it simple and keep the 1.3L head but I’m unsure if the setup would take the compression ratios?

I can get a 1.6L 16v engine with 220,000 km on it for $880
Wiring looms for $220
And adaptor kit for $200

What would people recommendations be?

And what would I need to modify to get the engine in and running, obviously an adaptor kit but what else? Would the standard sierra radiator handle it or would I need a larger one?

Thanks Mitchell

Post by **alien** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:07 pm

definitely go EFI.

does that $200 for the loom include the computer???

Mines set up as:
1.6 carby bottom end, Jimny 16v top end (with jimny loom and computer), and vitara 1.6 injectors on top.

was previously a g16a carby running weber 32/36 - went great, but the EFI is the same improvement again over going from 1.3 to 1.6 carby.

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:15 pm

There is no comparison between the drivability of EFI and carby. If you have the money and skill, go EFI.

I've never heard anyone regret going EFI. It's the business. It's not all about power (although it's normally better in any case) but it's all about ease of starting in all conditions and predictable behaviour on bumps and on all angles.

Steve.

Post by **Mitchie** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:28 pm

yes that $200 does include the computer.

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:47 pm

Yes, the stock radiator should be fine.

Bear in mind that's not the whole cost. you'll need to set up an EFI fuel system, VSS, exhaust work etc.

Still good value as swaps go.

Steve.

PS is this pricing for a MPFI or TBI motor? Some swifts used TBI (Throttle body) EFI- which is less sophisticated but still functional. I haven't set up a TBI car but people on here have.

Post by **Mitchie** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 6:59 pm

Im not sure if its a MPFI or TBI motor, it from a vitara though.

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:16 pm

sorry, that wasn't clear from your initial post.

16V vitara will be MPFI.

Steve.

Post by **get it up there** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:24 am

i did the EFI conversion about 5 months ago... still loving every second of it!! My 1.3 radiator wouldnt handle it, so i had to fit the 1.6 radiator. I have written up a thread on "how to do the EFI G16A conversion".. its in Auszookers somewhere. All the pics and info you need

Post by **nicbeer** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:35 pm

Get the 1.3 radiator rodded out or cleaned and will keep the 1.6 kool easy.
esp if u keep the OEM engine fan.

Ditto go the EFI, Loved mine since i have done it.

Post by **Mitchie** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:10 pm

hey guys got the engine, computer, loom and extractor (almost new) today for $1200, and ordered Ben T adaptor kit for $200. just a qick question can i use the 1.3 clutch and flywheel for the conversion.

also the only thing the engine is missing is the air flow monitor does anyone have or know where i could get one from?

Post by **ZUKPOWER** » Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:26 pm

Mitchie wrote:hey guys got the engine, computer, loom and extractor (almost new) today for $1200, and ordered Ben T adaptor kit for $200. just a qick question can i use the 1.3 clutch and flywheel for the conversion.

also the only thing the engine is missing is the air flow monitor does anyone have or know where i could get one from?

yeah 1.3L clutch and flywheel are the go. prob be worth replacing the clutch while it is apart just cause you can. I went for a HD clutch as well

Post by **Mitchie** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:53 pm

Hey guys finally got the engine in on thursday.
I put the 1.3 sump on with 1.6/1.3 oil pickup 1.3 fly wheel with a exceedy H/D clutch and using Ben T's adaptor kit it all went together well.
Now the fun part wiring does anyone have a wiring diagram that i could use?

Post by **PJ.zook** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:43 pm

I have a diagram I made with all the extra crap that you dont need deleted, but i dont think it would apply to youre engine as yours has an MAF sensor if i understand you correctly.

x2 with the 1.3 radiator handling a 1.6. Im still using the 1.3 rad with a thermo fan, and it keeps the 1.6 cool no problems.

Post by **Mitchie** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:25 am

maf sensor? whats that? im not that great with the electronics

could you fil me in thanks.
Mitchell

Post by **PJ.zook** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:55 pm

Mitchie wrote:maf sensor? whats that? im not that great with the electronics
could you fil me in thanks.
Mitchell

MAF stands for Mass Air Flow. You mentioned a few posts up youre missing an 'air flow monitor'. I dont know if they ever came out with MAF sensors, but I assume thats what youre talkin about.

Post by **4wheeljive** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:51 pm

ok so ive got a few qustions about this as well, ive got a whole efi vitara wreck and ive got a fair idear a bout what i need but dose some one have a list of all things ill need from it

Post by **Taff** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:46 pm

you need
- engine
- airbox
- intake
- loom
- ecu

And to make it easier and better
- VSS out of the speedo
- radiator
- fuel tank

Then you need to buy a gearbox adaptor (PM BenT) and sort out your wiring.. either do it yourself or send it to someone like Killalux and he will return it ready to plug and play.

From the old 1300 you need the sump and oil pickup to make something similar to this:

Easy

Post by **4wheeljive** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:52 am

thanks taff for info. ok so ive been reading and seeing i need a body lift to fit the 16v efi (is this true if so how big dose it have to be) dose BenT make a lower mounting kit? cause the only lift ive got is a lux diff conversion spoa

and vss??? what dose that stand for ?
cheers

Post by **Guy** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:57 am

4wheeljive wrote:thanks taff for info. ok so ive been reading and seeing i need a body lift to fit the 16v efi (is this true if so how big dose it have to be) dose BenT make a lower mounting kit? cause the only lift ive got is a lux diff conversion spoa

and vss??? what dose that stand for ?
cheers

vehicle speed sensor

Post by **Mitchie** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:02 pm

hey just about the body lift mine 1.6 efi engine just touches the bonnet (the air intake) and i dont have any body lift at all will that be a problem?
Also im getting my wiring loom done for me by Steve from Killa Kustom Cables for $350 so hopefully it'll be running by the end of next week.

Post by **Ben_Sierra** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:40 pm

get it up there wrote:i did the EFI conversion about 5 months ago... still loving every second of it!! My 1.3 radiator wouldnt handle it, so i had to fit the 1.6 radiator. I have written up a thread on "how to do the EFI G16A conversion".. its in Auszookers somewhere. All the pics and info you need

I searched Auszookers for this thread but I couldn't find it (8000 results :S)

Do you have a link?

Post by **nicbeer** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:59 pm

Mines also on here.

click the zook linke in my signature

Post by **Mitchie** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:46 pm

heres the link for get it up there's 1.6 conversion.

http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... pic&t=4853

Post by **Mitchie** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:49 pm

hey guys im having trouble sourcing an airflow meter (im after a 3 pin).
would i be able to modifiy my existing loom to fit a diffrent airflow meter e.g. a 4 or 5 pin one?

Post by **alien** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:03 pm

my 1.6 EFI fits under with room to spare and no bodylift at all. I have lifted the bonnet at the hinges and put spacers in the front though - overall about 5mm bonnet lift.

EDIT: for parts try www.suzistore.com.au - online store and they have pretty much everything - contact direct if you want second hand parts (wrecked).

Post by **4wheeljive** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:41 pm

cool so do you have a pic of your bonnet lift just so i can see whats going on cause i don't really want to do a body lift i can help it.

Post by **alien** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:52 pm

GRRR! i wrote a big long description and instructions and the site crashed... so stuff it. ahha

- loosen bonnet hinge bolts at firewall, lift and tighten up.
- rubber stoppers for chair legs over the standard rubbers.
- cut, extend and shut the catch

...had the server not crashed you'd have detailed instructions.. lol sorry

Post by **nicbeer** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:04 pm

Not that it matters to most but i believe it is also illegal to do bonnet lift at the back i have heard.

I think this is mainly directed towards the V8 brigade who lift the rear of the bonnet 20mm+ thou.

Post by **alien** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:52 pm

yeah that in case of a massive oil leak the sprays up into the engine bay - if theres a gap at the back the oil will go up the front window... the bonnet lift through the existing bolt holes maxes at around 5mm of lift, and the seam of the bonnet still seals it off to the outside air.

Post by **Mitchie** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:00 pm

its finished and on the road run great gotta be careful now or it will spin the tyres on take off

ill upload some picks of it later.

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