new comp 4x4 masters

[jimbo jones]

sounds like it could be a winner under ccda rules also

http://www.4x4masters.com.au/Rules-and-Regulations.php

Sixteen Event Management are proud to announce the Australian 4X4 Masters Series at Eastern Creek International Raceway.

An exciting new 4x4 offroad competition, Australian 4X4 Masters Series brings together 4x4 enthusiasts and an internationally acclaimed motor sport venue to test both driver and navigator skill over six man made courses.

Competition entry is by invitation to Four Wheel Drive Clubs registered in NSW and ACT. Teams consist of two crews each a vehicle with Driver and Co-driver. With the guidance of a Team Manager both crews compete side by side assisting each other over six courses of various man made obstacles.

Fourty Teams compete over a four round series with the top place earners going through to the Finals at years end.

Vendors stalls along with the facilities at Eastern Creek International Raceway and the entertainment provided by competitors make for a great family event. With grassed spectator areas providing excellent viewing opportunities from your chair or picnic blanket so the whole family can settle in for a days enjoyment.

the rules

Rules have been drafted and will be released upon CCDA approval.

The information contained below is in draft format and may change.



Competition format:
4x4Masters is a Group B Short Course event open to vehicles as specified in the event supplementary regulations.

All competitors and vehicles will be required to comply with CCDA Manual of Motorsport and 4x4Masters Event Supplementary Regulations.

These Supplementary Regulations shall augment Cross Country Driver’s Association Manual of Motorsport and all documents shall be read together



All competitors, marshals and officials are required to be current CCDA members.



Each Team shall provide two officials for the event. If officials are not present at prescribed training days or the event the team shall not be permitted to start or continue competition. All officials will require CCDA Marshal Accreditation. The Event Director shall co-ordinate training sessions with CCDA Officials



For further competition format information see: Competition



Vehicle Specification
Vehicle RegistrationAll vehicles participating in the Event shall be legally registered as a motor vehicle in their State, Territory or Country of origin for use on public roads and shall be maintained in a roadworthy condition as required and in accordance with the vehicle regulations applicable in the State or Territory or Country in which the vehicle is registered.

Any vehicle modification required by the vehicle registering authority to have engineering certification shall have such certification completed and acknowledged by the registering authority before presentation of the vehicle for scrutineering. The Chief Scrutineer may require proof of such acknowledgement or seek the advice of an automotive engineer as required.



Tyres

Tyre sizes shall be limited to 37.5 x 13.5 and must pass through a gauge with internal dimensions of 950mm and 350mm at 20psi or 1.4bar.

Tyres shall be enclosed within the width of mudguards and flares



Wheels

Wheel options are unlimited.

Bead locks are allowed.

Wheel spacers shall not be permitted.



Axles and Hubs

Axle housings are free.

Axle internal components are free.

Hubs are free except no portal style hubs are permitted.



Brakes

The braking system may be modified provided that the braking performance of the vehicle meets or exceeds the vehicle’s original braking performance.

No cutting brakes or any braking system which allows braking to a single wheel only shall be permitted to be used.

The composition of the brake pads/linings is free.

A secondary or emergency braking system shall be fitted and shall be operational.



Differentials

The differential system is free.

Differentials may be modified and strengthened.

Differential ratios are free.



Gearbox

The gearbox options are free.



Transfer Case

The transfer case system is free.

Transfer case ratios are free.

The transfer case and differentials shall be operative and capable of driving all four wheels.



Steering

Steering boxes are free but shall be limited to mechanical systems (ie no hydraulic steering). Only one axle is permitted to steer the vehicle. Steering linkages and components are free and may have protection fitted to them.



Suspension

Selection of shock absorbers and bushes is free including number and location.

The spring configuration and position on the chassis is free.

Control arm configuration is free including arm length and mounting points.

Suspension mounting points may be strengthened.

The axle position is free.



Engine

Any replacement engine is permissible.

Engine management systems are free.

Snorkels and aftermarket air filters are free.

Oil filters are free.



Electrical

A battery mechanical isolation switch for the battery that provides power to the engine, ignition and fuel pump shall be securely mounted within easy reach of each member of the Crew and this switch may isolate the negative terminal.

Alternators are free.

Headlight inserts and globes are free.

Tail lights, stop lights and reversing lights are free.



Exhaust

The exhaust system is free except they must include mufflers and catalytic converters as required by registration requirements.

Exhaust systems on tray back Ute must terminate a minimum of 300mm past the rear of the cab.

Exhaust systems on all other vehicles must terminate past the rear diff.



Chassis

The original chassis for that make of vehicle shall be used.

The original chassis rails must remain fully intact from axle to axle

Mounting brackets and cross members are free

Strengthening with the additional bracing is acceptable.

Spring and shock absorber mountings may be strengthened.

Protection plates may be added for strengthening and protection purposes.



Body

The body of the make of the vehicle shall be readily recognised and shall be the same manufacturer as the chassis.

The combination of body and chassis may be updated with body and chassis elements from later models of the same make of vehicle.

Bodies shall retain original firewall, A pillars, B pillars, doors, floor pan, front guards and bonnet. All original glass forward of the B pillar must be retained. Minor firewall and transmission tunnel modification is permitted to allow clearance for non-standard drive train combinations

Body lifts shall be limited to 75mm and shall be completed in a safe and secure manner and the spacers shall be a non-crushable material and the bolts shall be the same diameter as the original body mounting bolts and at least grade 8. There shall be the same number of body mounts and supports as the original chassis and body combination.

Additional mudflaps flares and door sills may be added for protection.



Lights

Vehicles may be fitted with any number driving lights in addition to the original headlights and driving lights.

Driving lights shall operate with the high/low beam switch in conjunction with the headlights and shall be fitted in accordance with relevant registration requirements.

It is strongly recommended that a dust lamp be fitted to the rear of the vehicle.



Fuel

The fuel system is free but shall be in a sound condition with all fittings tightly fastened.

Alternative fuel such as LPG may be fitted in accordance with State and National Regulations

[teambullet]

I find it so strange that pretty much every mod is free, except WHEEL SPACERS........ Whats the story with that, they are allowed at any other event ive ever done?????

[alexcliffo]

I find it so strange that pretty much every mod is free, except WHEEL SPACERS........ Whats the story with that, they are allowed at any other event ive ever done?????

Not allowed on a registered/engineered vehicle??


Event sound like a winner. Hopefully it is successful.

[blade 929]

I find it so strange that pretty much every mod is free, except WHEEL SPACERS........ Whats the story with that, they are allowed at any other event ive ever done?????

Not allowed on a registered/engineered vehicle??


Event sound like a winner. Hopefully it is successful.

neither are beadlocks

[HLX.GRL]

I find it so strange that pretty much every mod is free, except WHEEL SPACERS........ Whats the story with that, they are allowed at any other event ive ever done?????

x2 on the wheel spacer rule..however i could always flip my rims p.s go team bullet tuff truck 2010

[the gun]

I find it so strange that pretty much every mod is free, except WHEEL SPACERS........ Whats the story with that, they are allowed at any other event ive ever done?????

Not allowed on a registered/engineered vehicle??


Event sound like a winner. Hopefully it is successful.

neither are beadlocks

neither are 37s"

[4x4 Masters]

Why are bead locks and 37s allowed?

We essentially want Challenge class vehicles but wanted mods opened up a little to cater for what we see in daily driven vehicles. We know 37s are not road legal but we also know many trucks run them so we have a made a small concession here. Beadlocks are in interest of keeping the event running, recoveries/repairs for popped beads slows events and is boring for spectators and competitors.

The rules are still draft and may yet change, to be honest it is probably easiest to simply adopt Challenge Class vehicle specs as written in the CCDA regs but that would exclude a lot of competitors which we do not want.

We cant make everybody happy so we wont attempt to make everybody happy. Rules for comps is a never ending debate. I do not wish to sound abrupt but promoters decide what they will and will not allow that's the bottom line.

Anyway, construction is coming along. We have been stockpiling dirt and begin to tier the hill tomorrow. At times we had 15 trucks queued waiting to dump. First courses should begin early next week photos - http://www.4x4masters.com.au/Gallery.php

Timelines are tight but we are on target with construction.
Mark and I are both working full time to build what will be one the worlds best 4x4 competition venues and show to accompany it for both competitors and spectators. Competitors will get first class facilities and challenging courses. Spectators will be spoiled for action with views of all courses and other activities from where ever they sit.

The sanctioning of rules is taking longer than anticipated and as soon as we have approval we will be able to release the entry forms.

Cheers
Wayne

[dans-paj92]

So I can't use 5mm spacers to run boggers?
Cheers
Dan

[lemansred]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

[roverjess]

any idea on cost yet ?
will it be per event or for whole lot up front?
im sure coalfields family 4x4 club will have a few interested
keep us posted

[CV Smasher]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

[the gun]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

The insurance we use for toperi though TCIS is very cheap but only for registered cars. I'm guessing unrego insurance is very expensive.

[the gun]

Why are bead locks and 37s allowed?

Beadlocks are in interest of keeping the event running, recoveries/repairs for popped beads slows events and is boring for spectators and competitors.

The rules are still draft and may yet change, to be honest it is probably easiest to simply adopt Challenge Class vehicle specs as written in the CCDA regs but that would exclude a lot of competitors which we do not want.

We cant make everybody happy so we wont attempt to make everybody happy. Rules for comps is a never ending debate. I do not wish to sound abrupt but promoters decide what they will and will not allow that's the bottom line.

Anyway, construction is coming along. We have been stockpiling dirt and begin to tier the hill tomorrow. At times we had 15 trucks queued waiting to dump. First courses should begin early next week photos - http://www.4x4masters.com.au/Gallery.php

Timelines are tight but we are on target with construction.
Mark and I are both working full time to build what will be one the worlds best 4x4 competition venues and show to accompany it for both competitors and spectators. Competitors will get first class facilities and challenging courses. Spectators will be spoiled for action with views of all courses and other activities from where ever they sit.

The sanctioning of rules is taking longer than anticipated and as soon as we have approval we will be able to release the entry forms.

Cheers
Wayne

3 Cheers for starting a new comp and i'm sure you will be swamped with competitors and good luck the more comps the better for our sport.

Along with 37's and beadlocks, wheel spaces are proberly the next most fitted items. It would save competitors thousand of dollars not having to get flipped or custom rims(which are proberly illegal anyway).

[CV Smasher]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

The insurance we use for toperi though TCIS is very cheap but only for registered cars. I'm guess unrego insurance is very expensive.

Have you guys looked into it?

I would be happy to pay more to compete without the hassel of having to register my truck, im sure some others would agree.

[crazy60]

x2

[booflux]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

The insurance we use for toperi though TCIS is very cheap but only for registered cars. I'm guessing unrego insurance is very expensive.

Yes but the point in bold is the concern, no point having insurance cheap if it means the competitor is screwed when it all goes pear shaped? The above is pretty much the legal advice I was given and is why I have chosen to have my own insurance at my cost as the one the comps supply does nothing to protect me should someone be injured.

[the gun]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

The insurance we use for toperi though TCIS is very cheap but only for registered cars. I'm guess unrego insurance is very expensive.

Have you guys looked into it?

I would be happy to pay more to compete without the hassel of having to register my truck, im sure some others would agree.

negitive, I'll make the suggestion to look into it for next year.


You Kamakzee boys need insurance, I've seen u drive.

[lemansred]

Firstly I apologise for highjacking 4x4 masters thread with a rego debate
I would love to compete in a 4 round tough as it get compertition with the finals at the end of the year (off road heaven) and i am as far away from being a master as you could get !!!!!
I would have liked to compete at Toperi but without rego alas it cannot be
Maybe the insurance issue is something that could addressed through the CCDA I for one would be more than happy to pay the equivalent of the green slip insurance cover through the CCDA or evan a bit more to know I'm legally covered, I don't know if thats possible or pay a insurance component in the compertition entry fees (We Play We Pay)

[3.8BUNDY]

You'd think Eastern Creek would be on top of insurance issues with the other sports held there being a lot more dangerous than ours.

Any idea of what it would cost for the 4 rounds?

[krimnl]

You'd think Eastern Creek would be on top of insurance issues with the other sports held there being a lot more dangerous than ours.

Any idea of what it would cost for the 4 rounds?

i cant see any insurance issues, its pretty simple the event organiser wants registered vehicles , as for spacers not 1 winch challenge car runs spacers in vic. no need for them. remember this is winch challenge not rock crawling.
As for the registered vehicles arguement its been debated at many CCDA meetings and there are reasons we require rego that i am not going to go into here. you can however request a copy of the minutes if you want to bore yourself. . I can say that we have been looking into ways to allow unregistered vehicles but to date have just run into hurdles with vic roads. RTA may allow some sort of rego permit ??

sounds like this is going to be a great thing for winch challenges in NSW.
hopefully we can get some victorian teams up there and make it a battle of the states

[Lexlux]

Is this comp restricted to teams from NSW & ACT? But the name does say AUSTRALIAN Masters

[the gun]

You'd think Eastern Creek would be on top of insurance issues with the other sports held there being a lot more dangerous than ours.

Any idea of what it would cost for the 4 rounds?

i cant see any insurance issues, its pretty simple the event organiser wants registered vehicles , as for spacers not 1 winch challenge car runs spacers in vic. no need for them. remember this is winch challenge not rock crawling.As for the registered vehicles arguement its been debated at many CCDA meetings and there are reasons we require rego that i am not going to go into here. you can however request a copy of the minutes if you want to bore yourself. . I can say that we have been looking into ways to allow unregistered vehicles but to date have just run into hurdles with vic roads. RTA may allow some sort of rego permit ??

sounds like this is going to be a great thing for winch challenges in NSW.
hopefully we can get some victorian teams up there and make it a battle of the states

Did I miss the bit where it says its a winch challenge

[largesuzy]

You'd think Eastern Creek would be on top of insurance issues with the other sports held there being a lot more dangerous than ours.

Any idea of what it would cost for the 4 rounds?

i cant see any insurance issues, its pretty simple the event organiser wants registered vehicles , as for spacers not 1 winch challenge car runs spacers in vic. no need for them. remember this is winch challenge not rock crawling.As for the registered vehicles arguement its been debated at many CCDA meetings and there are reasons we require rego that i am not going to go into here. you can however request a copy of the minutes if you want to bore yourself. . I can say that we have been looking into ways to allow unregistered vehicles but to date have just run into hurdles with vic roads. RTA may allow some sort of rego permit ??

sounds like this is going to be a great thing for winch challenges in NSW.
hopefully we can get some victorian teams up there and make it a battle of the states

Did I miss the bit where it says its a winch challenge

didnt you see all the hills and winch points last time you were at eastern creek

[3.8BUNDY]

You'd think Eastern Creek would be on top of insurance issues with the other sports held there being a lot more dangerous than ours.

i cant see any insurance issues, its pretty simple the event organiser wants registered vehicles

The event organiser has the right to ask for anything they want. AGREED!!!
BUT
What potential competitors want to know, re insurance, is that "no matter what happens while competeing at this event, under no circumstances (death, injury to any other competitor or spectator)will they be asked to use either there PERSONAL Greenslip, fully comprehensive or third party insurances to cover themselves.
does the event insurance cover for this?

there are reasons we require rego that i am not going to go into here.

Why? not even briefly, is CCDA a secret society? surely you can simplify it for the people who don't have time to read all the boring minutes. think of it as a PR excercise.

[CV Smasher]

You'd think Eastern Creek would be on top of insurance issues with the other sports held there being a lot more dangerous than ours.

Any idea of what it would cost for the 4 rounds?

As for the registered vehicles arguement its been debated at many CCDA meetings and there are reasons we require rego that i am not going to go into here. you can however request a copy of the minutes if you want to bore yourself. . I can say that we have been looking into ways to allow unregistered vehicles but to date have just run into hurdles with vic roads. RTA may allow some sort of rego permit ??

I am sure you guys have looked into it but my question is why are the RTA or Vic roads relavent? The event is being run at a private venue that the RTA and Vic roads have no control over???? Eastern creek is a race track where 90% of vehicles that circuit race are not registered

[t price]

If the event organisers choose to run a comp that requires Rego and Insurance that is what we have to provide if we wish to enter. They are not forcing anyone to enter.
If the event is to be covered by insurance from the CCDA any accident involving spectators and officials are covered. It does not rely on the ctp or the Third Party of the competing vehicle.
Most DA,s and or property owners require the vehicles to be registered and Insured. It is a condition that organisers often have no choice but to accept.
If you have 37's and Beadlocks it does not matter. It does not have a bearing on your rego during the comp. If your on the street, now thats another matter.

[CV Smasher]

If the event organisers choose to run a comp that requires Rego and Insurance that is what we have to provide if we wish to enter. They are not forcing anyone to enter.
If the event is to be covered by insurance from the CCDA any accident involving spectators and officials are covered. It does not rely on the ctp or the Third Party of the competing vehicle.
Most DA,s and or property owners require the vehicles to be registered and Insured. It is a condition that organisers often have no choice but to accept.
If you have 37's and Beadlocks it does not matter. It does not have a bearing on your rego during the comp. If your on the street, now thats another matter.

Thanks for clearing that up Tony.

I didn't know that was the case with CCDA unlike other comps in the past that do not run under the CCDA banner and have had problems with insurance.

[MogLux]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2



I agree

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

The insurance we use for toperi though TCIS is very cheap but only for registered cars. I'm guess unrego insurance is very expensive.

Have you guys looked into it?

I would be happy to pay more to compete without the hassel of having to register my truck, im sure some others would agree.

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

Re Rego
It seem to me that rego is required so vechile is covered by the green slip public liabilty insurance, BUT the question I ask is If anyone modifiys the vechile outside RTA guidelines Eg 37 inch tiyres, beadlocks, wheelspacers ect won't that VOID the green slip insurance putting a hole lot of people at risk eg the vechile owner the person that did the rego inspection the event organisers !
wouldn't it be better to have the competitors vechile public liabilty insurance issue covered by the event organisers public liabilty insurance
from memory i don't think dragsters stock cars ect have to have rego
anyway I'm not a lawyer so this is only my two bobs worth

X 2

The Tuff Truck guys sorted the insurance for their event this year so vehicles didn't need rego.

I feel that all the event organisers need to get together and sort out a solution so competition vehicles do not have to be registered. You can still have all the same limitations on modifications of the vehicles but they should not have to be registered.

At the moment people are forced to have illegal vehicles registered just so they can enter comps.......... it doesn't make sence to me.

What does everyone else think?

EDIT: I am not having a go at the organisers of any event but i think it would take the heat off everyone.

The insurance we use for toperi though TCIS is very cheap but only for registered cars. I'm guess unrego insurance is very expensive.

Have you guys looked into it?

I would be happy to pay more to compete without the hassel of having to register my truck, im sure some others would agree.

negitive, I'll make the suggestion to look into it for next year.


You Kamakzee boys need insurance, I've seen u drive.

you also need to look at, at TTC we were told should you hit anything in the camping area or anywhere outside the bunting in a comp truck, your f*&^$ed your paying for that shit for the rest of your life.

leave the rego and cross some fingers.
and where does it say 37s are illegal?
I thought MTRs were legal as they are speed rated etc and you can have 37s engineered on a landcruiser to my knowledge?

[booflux]

If the event organisers choose to run a comp that requires Rego and Insurance that is what we have to provide if we wish to enter. They are not forcing anyone to enter.
If the event is to be covered by insurance from the CCDA any accident involving spectators and officials are covered. It does not rely on the ctp or the Third Party of the competing vehicle.
Most DA,s and or property owners require the vehicles to be registered and Insured. It is a condition that organisers often have no choice but to accept.
If you have 37's and Beadlocks it does not matter. It does not have a bearing on your rego during the comp. If your on the street, now thats another matter.

So the CCDA insurance covers spectator injury or death if its as a result of the vehicle, that is what I have been asking and not had answered? As the rego vehicles, CTP, Greenslip whatever your state calls it doesnt.