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Worth Noting - Might save your life
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Worth Noting - Might save your life
I was just on one of my Fabrication Forums, and the subject got going about cleaning down materials before welding.
I remembered this story and posted it, and thought it was worthwhile reminding everyone else about the dangers that lurk around our sheds.
http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
I remembered this story and posted it, and thought it was worthwhile reminding everyone else about the dangers that lurk around our sheds.
http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm
Last edited by Harb on Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
Harb
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
Re: Worth Noting
Gee, he was lucky.. seizures and all
Everyone should click on the link and read the whole thing.
Compulsory reading too ALL here.
Stay safe everyone. no point building it if it kills ya and you dont get to enjoy it.
Compulsory reading too ALL here.
Stay safe everyone. no point building it if it kills ya and you dont get to enjoy it.
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Phosgene was the gas used in World War I and accounted for many deaths during and after the war.
My Mum's dad died in 1923, from the effects of being gassed in 1917and my Dad's 's dad lasted until 1929 before he died from the gassing.
Both served in the same battalion.
Very old fire extinguishers (pre 1970) used a gas that decomposed into phosgene.
My Mum's dad died in 1923, from the effects of being gassed in 1917and my Dad's 's dad lasted until 1929 before he died from the gassing.
Both served in the same battalion.
Very old fire extinguishers (pre 1970) used a gas that decomposed into phosgene.
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Yeh there is. It says the usual things like avoid inhaling vapours, skin contact etc.Barnsey wrote:Is there a MSDS sheet for the brake cleaner?chunks wrote:I use brake cleaner everyday, I'm sure my job is pretty hazardous to my health...
If not, get one and READ it.
There's plenty of MSDS web sites too. If you're not sure about what you're using, do 5 minutes of research on the net.
MSDS sheets are pretty comprehensive about precautions, PPE, first aid, etc.
I was talking about this a while back with halon based fire suppression systems (Frequently used in the IT world) and a story about a bloke having a smoke to settle his nerves after being caught in a the gas during a small fire in a data centre .. he was rather dead afterward.Brisbanite wrote:Phosgene can also be produced by smoking around freon (refrigerant) gas I think.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
I can't help wondering why a cigarette would cause phosgene gas if the original fire didn't. I am just wondering, not saying it didn't happen.love_mud wrote:I was talking about this a while back with halon based fire suppression systems (Frequently used in the IT world) and a story about a bloke having a smoke to settle his nerves after being caught in a the gas during a small fire in a data centre .. he was rather dead afterward.Brisbanite wrote:Phosgene can also be produced by smoking around freon (refrigerant) gas I think.
This is not legal advice.
Chemical reaction.chimpboy wrote:I can't help wondering why a cigarette would cause phosgene gas if the original fire didn't. I am just wondering, not saying it didn't happen.love_mud wrote:I was talking about this a while back with halon based fire suppression systems (Frequently used in the IT world) and a story about a bloke having a smoke to settle his nerves after being caught in a the gas during a small fire in a data centre .. he was rather dead afterward.Brisbanite wrote:Phosgene can also be produced by smoking around freon (refrigerant) gas I think.
" If governments are involved in the covering up the knowledge of aliens, Then they are doing a much better job of it than they do of everything else "
I don't at all want to seem like a crunt but my mind baffles at the thought of using brake cleaner prior to welding, or any dangerous chemical Everyone knows if you swallow the dodgy chemicals its bad for you so when you vaporise them with heat don't people think it may be bad to breath in the vapor as well??
Definitely worth the read but is it a common practice to use any old part cleaner before applying extreme heat for welding or cutting purposes??
Definitely worth the read but is it a common practice to use any old part cleaner before applying extreme heat for welding or cutting purposes??
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Probably more common than you think......stuee wrote:I don't at all want to seem like a crunt but my mind baffles at the thought of using brake cleaner prior to welding, or any dangerous chemical Everyone knows if you swallow the dodgy chemicals its bad for you so when you vaporise them with heat don't people think it may be bad to breath in the vapor as well??
Definitely worth the read but is it a common practice to use any old part cleaner before applying extreme heat for welding or cutting purposes??
It has been widely practiced for years to clean materials to be welded, particularly TIG welded with solvents to try and minimise contamination of the Weld pool.....
They are used because of just this reason...... they evaporate fast usually ahead of the area you are welding, and do a great job in cleaning contaminates .
Most times the result is low risk, but in some cases like this, the result can be deadly.
Harb
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
Pressure clean then a grinder or one of the cleaning type disks or wheels is the safest way........ or maybe even sand blasting for steel.
Aluminium is more difficult......Pessure clean , hot soapy water , or pure alcohol and a stainless steel wire brush......thats how I do it
Aluminium is more difficult......Pessure clean , hot soapy water , or pure alcohol and a stainless steel wire brush......thats how I do it
Harb
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/shed/index.php?id=2244&im=1
Which brings it back to the point of reading the data and know the products you are using.PJ.zook wrote:I use brake clean constantly at work, including before welding to clean surfaces. Saw that story a while ago, our Bendix brake clean doesnt contain that chemical, so its arite. Hell i get it in me eyes sometimes, never been a problem.
we found two cans of Phostoxin lurking in our chem shed at work the other day- Its a gassing agent for rabbits, throw a lump down the hole, it decomposes into phosphine and kills them.
You wouldnt believe how hard it is to find someone who will handle that stuff for disposal!
You wouldnt believe how hard it is to find someone who will handle that stuff for disposal!
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for most application generaly you wont need to clean it with cleaners unless you have got oil on it ect aluminium will probably clean it no matter what.Harb wrote:Pressure clean then a grinder or one of the cleaning type disks or wheels is the safest way........ or maybe even sand blasting for steel.
Aluminium is more difficult......Pessure clean , hot soapy water , or pure alcohol and a stainless steel wire brush......thats how I do it
i usualy dont use cleaners but if i do i use some metho.
remeber to clean the filler wire too you will be amazed how much black shit come off it strigh from the box
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.... you'd wingh about someone sharing his/her near miss or his/ her accident???Tiny wrote:and people whinge about OH&S dept and safety advisers etc.....this is why we have them
your messed up if you complaned about a safety share instead take it in and learn from there experence....
your thinking about the other thread where people are complaning about OH&S going over the top....
I think u will find he was saying that dangers like this is why we have safety officers, not saying not to have a safety thread.Kingston_99 wrote:.... you'd wingh about someone sharing his/her near miss or his/ her accident???Tiny wrote:and people whinge about OH&S dept and safety advisers etc.....this is why we have them
your messed up if you complaned about a safety share instead take it in and learn from there experence....
your thinking about the other thread where people are complaning about OH&S going over the top....
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Yep... we make life to hard, till we miss one...Tiny wrote:and people whinge about OH&S dept and safety advisers etc.....this is why we have them
Mind you, the proposal is to ditch WHSO's when the new harmonisation laws come into effect... go figure
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