Scenic Rim Challenge Final 2009 Round and Dinner 5-6th Dec

[rammer60]

well there's lots to read here since last night, so ill keep it short. firstly thanks to brendon and all his crew who helped on the day, and throughout the year. thanks to shane for supporting it, (and for the winch) and thanks to all the competitors in all classes, the company has been brilliant all year. the green 60 will be back again next year, probably still unlocked.
unfortunately wot ive read here so far sounds like the beginning of the end of so many other comps ive watched over the years. for some reason we all have a nack at destroying great opportuntities that are presented to us. many an organiser has put their hands in the air and said 'i dont know why i bother' and if we're not carefull this could happen again here. public forums give people dangerous courage to say things they perhaps should say personally to the event organiser.
i dont wanna back any arguments here, cause it just starts more, n i hate to say it but maybe 11evils right in that it'd be better if there were no or at least smaller prizes, to emphasise the FUN factor of the event. ( even i got caught up in wanting that winch).
i guess i do feel 39's in x mod leaves to big a gap between it and mod, but if thats how it is next year bring it on, as has been said before (and proven) its not just about your equipment.
all i do know is we definately dont wanna discourage any new cars from coming, big or small. there was a fantastic variety of trucks there over the weekend, more diverse than i think ive ever seen. i dont know wot the best fix for all of this would be, its very hard to please everyone, so i think we should just except wotever brendon decides. afterall, its a pretty cheap entry fee, and u get good drive time.
so much for keeping it short. my fingers hurt

[rammer60]

p.s 11evil that was definately one of the best driving displays ive seen for a long time over the weekend. a very deserved winner

[[gubeaut]]

its very hard to please everyone, so i think we should just except wotever brendon decides. afterall, its a pretty cheap entry fee, and u get good drive time.
so much for keeping it short. my fingers hurt

My thoughts exactly

[harrisbm]

I have just finished work. This is becoming an entertaining read.
The stages will be getting harder next year as that will sort out those who can drive and those who are still learning.
We will also be having a DFN if you don't drive the track and by pass the route because it's to difficult. You will still be able to drive the part of the track you want but will no get any more points.

Simplified rules will be up on the SRAP site soon.

We look forward to the ladies drive. My wife is almost in.

[Suspension Stuff]

Prizes
This has always been a fun event but if people are treating it too seriously there will be no option but to reduce or stop the prizes. We are nowhere near that point yet though.

I do understand that if some people are allowed to break the rules but others are not then this is no longer fun so next year we will increase the penalty for bigger tyres or run these people without them being able to get a prize.

First time competitors will always be allowed to break the rules as Brendon sees fit. The idea is to include everyone not put someone in a harder class when they are not willing to do so much panel damage or don't have the confidence to drive hard.

I am very happy with the rules as 11 Evil has described, it is the finer points I want to clear up so the younger people who are competiting for the sheep stations can relax.

RED24 You are a very argumentive person in person as well as online so folks Aaron isn't putting it on for the forum, this is the way he is. But you did make me laugh when you are talking up a possible other comp. That is sooooo wrong. LOL

[rockcrawler31]

Milo it was funny but you got right back on the horse bud. As the weekend got on you were doing the same on the throttle Get your exo sorted as to protect some of it cause it is a really good looking truck. Very diffrent indeed.
Hope you get to next round mate.

Thanks mate, I appreciate it. I might be a bit g a y on cross slopes, but i LURVE hearing the valves bounce

just saying mate there is a time and place for that kind of behaviour, me and keith were behind you when it happened, fare enough show some fustration, but there was no need for that lanuage around young kids.

I'll wear that. I often call out others doing the same at 4wd parks or public places myself. So yeah i got peeved and lost my cool and that's not cool. I guess after all the fark ups and extra expense i had getting the damned cab built i'm a little sensitive about it as it's the only thing i can't fix.

[Suspension Stuff]

There is one thing that is great with the comp. There are lots of different makes of 4WD's represented. It is interesting seeing them all perform.

Shane

[booflux]

As someone hoping to compete in this comp next year all I will say is I hope the attitude of some dont ruin the event. I like the idea of a fun comp where there is some allowance given to newcomers and those that dont wish to damage their trucks in the next class, due to daily driver etc.

Hopefully the fun factor most have spoken about this year remains next year

[purplebus]

We will definately be there next year, to much happened this year to get there but love the look of the tracks and it sounds like a fun event. As booflux said Hopefully the fun factor continues next year. Looking forward to new dents on the bus.

[biggsy]

As someone hoping to compete in this comp next year all I will say is I hope the attitude of some dont ruin the event. I like the idea of a fun comp where there is some allowance given to newcomers and those that dont wish to damage their trucks in the next class, due to daily driver etc.

Hopefully the fun factor most have spoken about this year remains next year

x2 on that boof

[RED24]

Prizes
. But you did make me laugh when you are talking up a possible other comp. That is sooooo wrong. LOL

i didn't talk it up other people do more then one comp shane i just stated to milo he should look at it.

as he seems keen to get his truck known

i would to if i spent that much

[pootrollin]

keep it up boys,I'm loving it,just watch out for the suzota next year I'll flog you all on my 35;s

That would be kool

evil in his zook would be hard to beat in any class. That dude can drive.!!!

Also old mate in his green 60 with some lockers would be a front runner me thinks.

thanks
i do my best to impress
i probably could run 35s or my 37s and go in the extreme mods class. im more in it for the fun and challange. ill stay in outlaw


lift tyres lockers... who really gives a ..
if i had it my way there would be NO PRIZES and just go out for fun(AND BRAGGING RIGHTS)
Do a very basic class structure and just drive.

stock means stock.
mod class- up to say 33s one locker
extreme mod- 35/37 double lock
outlaw- 35-44 lock bars cuts whateva..

pretty much how it was at the begining.

yes there is and can be exceptions for the above within reason.

a nervous driver can drive in stock/ mod class with penalties


X 2. Keep it simple and fun.

[known 2]

hey sean u get the barrel sorted?

nah dude suzi aint moved since i got back, no money to fix it.

lot of arguing going in in here, noticing its relay only between extreme mod and outlaw,
we down in standard class and moddified dont seem to take it as serius .

[RED24]

hey sean u get the barrel sorted?

nah dude suzi aint moved since i got back, no money to fix it.

lot of arguing going in in here, noticing its relay only between extreme mod and outlaw,
we down in standard class and moddified dont seem to take it as serius .

good point and as i did not compete i just enjoy the fueling

[AngryElmo]

we down in standard class and moddified dont seem to take it as serius .

and i think thats the main point.

[Micka]

hey sean u get the barrel sorted?

nah dude suzi aint moved since i got back, no money to fix it.

lot of arguing going in in here, noticing its relay only between extreme mod and outlaw,
we down in standard class and moddified dont seem to take it as serius .

good point and as i did not compete i just enjoy helping to fuq it up for everyone else

Fixed.

[booflux]

hey sean u get the barrel sorted?

nah dude suzi aint moved since i got back, no money to fix it.

lot of arguing going in in here, noticing its relay only between extreme mod and outlaw,
we down in standard class and moddified dont seem to take it as serius .

good point and as i did not compete i just enjoy helping to fuq it up for everyone else

Fixed.

Pretty much on the money there Micka

[RED24]

lol

[RED24]

at the end of the day everyone is gunna go to the next one admire the cars shake hands and drive hard so it doesn't really matter.

people have sore spots

[Suspension Stuff]

at the end of the day everyone is gunna go to the next one admire the cars shake hands and drive hard so it doesn't really matter.

people have sore spots

and we will make the rules much clearer. I want to make the safety standards safer also.

Shane

[GRIMACE]

We need an unlocked on 37s class!

[GRIMACE]

How about this for an option of classes?

Standard - No lockers, 2"lift, upto 33s
Mod - 1 Locker, 4" lift, upto 35s
Pro mod - Lockers, 4"+ (for all the patrols ), upto 38s
Standard, Mod & Pro Mod still need to resemble full bodied rigs, ute conversions are accepted. As is bar work all over.
Outlaw - Same as pro mod but upto 42s and major chassis mods are accepted
Buggie Outlaw - Anything goes

I tried to keep it as simple as possible with tyre size being the main point to go by in each class as it seems to always be the talking point between competitors (and I dont mean in a negative way).

I think that given todays standards so many guys run rather large tyres, so why restrict them too much.

Body lifts are a null point - if you have a 15" body lift it is completely irrelevant.

You can see that mod and pro mod are almost identical so it could allow the guys with dual lockers and only 35s the option to either compete against the pro mods with 38s or disengage a locker and rumble with the Mods on 35s.

For those competing in the single locker class with dual locking capabilities, allow the driver a selection of which locker to have access to prior to starting the stage.

If you have auto lockers and small tyres then tough luck you tight bum, buy some 38s with the money you saved

If you have more then 4" lift and still only run 35s then that's your problem and you should seriously consider your gender preference
If you have bigger then 35s and dont have dual lockers then your either a tard like myself, poor as fug or a raging homo.

That is all.

[booflux]

How about this for an option of classes?

Standard - No lockers, 2"lift, upto 33s
Mod - 1 Locker, 4" lift, upto 35s
Pro mod - Lockers, 4"+ (for all the patrols ), upto 38s
Standard, Mod & Pro Mod still need to resemble full bodied rigs, ute conversions are accepted. As is bar work all over.
Outlaw - Same as pro mod but upto 42s and major chassis mods are accepted
Buggie Outlaw - Anything goes

I tried to keep it as simple as possible with tyre size being the main point to go by in each class as it seems to always be the talking point between competitors (and I dont mean in a negative way).

I think that given todays standards so many guys run rather large tyres, so why restrict them too much.

Body lifts are a null point - if you have a 15" body lift it is completely irrelevant.

You can see that mod and pro mod are almost identical so it could allow the guys with dual lockers and only 35s the option to either compete against the pro mods with 38s or disengage a locker and rumble with the Mods on 35s.

For those competing in the single locker class with dual locking capabilities, allow the driver a selection of which locker to have access to prior to starting the stage.

If you have auto lockers and small tyres then tough luck you tight bum, buy some 38s with the money you saved

If you have more then 4" lift and still only run 35s then that's your problem and you should seriously consider your gender preference
If you have bigger then 35s and dont have dual lockers then your either a tard like myself, poor as fug or a raging homo.

That is all.

Regardless of the classes I will probably be in outlaw so as long as that class still exists

[Roctoy]

at the end of the day everyone is gunna go to the next one admire the cars shake hands and drive hard so it doesn't really matter.

people have sore spots

and we will make the rules much clearer. I want to make the safety standards safer also.

Shane

yeah, i was a bit shocked at all the kids sitting on the big tyres while the excavator was doing a recovery

[OIIIO]

I've been following this since the first event, and I want to chuck my two bobs worth in.


So here's my thoughts...............

STOCK

NO LIFT
NO INCREASE IN TYRE SIZE OFF FACTORY TYRE PLACARD
MUST BE REGISTERED
FACTORY (stock) DRIVELINE
NO BEADLOCKS
NO EXO CAGES

Accepted Mods

Any pattern/construction tyres
Aftermarket suspension (stock height) standard arms and links
Body Protection (Front/rear bars/sliders etc...)


STREET-MODIFIED

MAXIMUM 4 INCH LIFT (including body lifts)
MAXIMUM 33 INCH TYRES (as stated on sidewall, any contruction)
REAR AXLE LOCKER or LSD (STOPS THE DEBATE)
NO FRONT AXLE TRACTION AIDS
NO BEADLOCKS
FACTORY ENGINE/GEARBOX/TRANSFER CASE
MUST BE REGISTERED

Accepted Mods


Axle changes/upgrades (ratios, axles LSD's, locker choice)
Body Protection (NO EXO CAGES)
Approved (complianced) body chops
High or Low mount electric winch (standard motor)
suspension mounting points (no coil overs or airshocks)


EXTREME-MODIFIED

MAXIMUM 6 INCH LIFT (including Bodylifts)
MAXIMUM 37 INCH TYRES (as stated on sidewall, any contruction)
DUAL LOCKERS (no GIC lockers)
NO EXO CAGES
ROLLCAGE
WINDOW NETS
MUST BE REGISTERED

Accepted Mods

complianced/approved Engine/Axle/Gearbox/Transfer changes
complianced/approved body chops
Beadlocked rims
High or lowmount Electric winch (mods allowed)
Suspension mounting points, (no coil overs, airshocks)


OUTLAW

WHAT EVER YOU WANT.



All classes mimimum equipment required to compete.

DRIVER AND NAVIGATOR MUST WEAR HELMETS
GLOVES TO BE WORN FOR ALL RECOVERY/WINCHING
ALL CLASSES TO HAVE FRONT AND REAR RECOVERY POINTS
1X SNATCH STRAP
1X TREE TRUNK PROTECTOR
1X WINCH EXTENSION STRAP
4 X SHACKLES
UHF RADIO
FIRE EXTINGUISHER
FIRST AID KIT

Extreme Modified and Outlaw in addition to the above

ROLLCAGE (Not neccessarily cams or DOT approved)
WINDOW NETS (BOTH SIDES)

Outlaw in addition to the above

Kill switch mounted within reach of driver and appropriately marked.

[GRIMACE]

How about this for an option of classes?

Standard - No lockers, 2"lift, upto 33s
Mod - 1 Locker, 4" lift, upto 35s
Pro mod - Lockers, 4"+ (for all the patrols ), upto 38s
Standard, Mod & Pro Mod still need to resemble full bodied rigs, ute conversions are accepted. As is bar work all over.
Outlaw - Same as pro mod but upto 42s and major chassis mods are accepted
Buggie Outlaw - Anything goes

I tried to keep it as simple as possible with tyre size being the main point to go by in each class as it seems to always be the talking point between competitors (and I dont mean in a negative way).

I think that given todays standards so many guys run rather large tyres, so why restrict them too much.

Body lifts are a null point - if you have a 15" body lift it is completely irrelevant.

You can see that mod and pro mod are almost identical so it could allow the guys with dual lockers and only 35s the option to either compete against the pro mods with 38s or disengage a locker and rumble with the Mods on 35s.

For those competing in the single locker class with dual locking capabilities, allow the driver a selection of which locker to have access to prior to starting the stage.

If you have auto lockers and small tyres then tough luck you tight bum, buy some 38s with the money you saved

If you have more then 4" lift and still only run 35s then that's your problem and you should seriously consider your gender preference
If you have bigger then 35s and dont have dual lockers then your either a tard like myself, poor as fug or a raging homo.

That is all.

Regardless of the classes I will probably be in outlaw so as long as that class still exists

You should pass as pro mod so long as you stick with the 37s, minor chassis modifications, and body swaps should be accepted, just to what limits needs to be discussed.

[GRIMACE]

I've been following this since the first event, and I want to chuck my two bobs worth in.


So here's my thoughts...............

STOCK

NO LIFT
NO INCREASE IN TYRE SIZE OFF FACTORY TYRE PLACARD
MUST BE REGISTERED
FACTORY (stock) DRIVELINE
NO BEADLOCKS
NO EXO CAGES

Accepted Mods

Any pattern/construction tyres
Aftermarket suspension (stock height) standard arms and links
Body Protection (Front/rear bars/sliders etc...)


STREET-MODIFIED

MAXIMUM 4 INCH LIFT (including body lifts)
MAXIMUM 33 INCH TYRES (as stated on sidewall, any contruction)
REAR AXLE LOCKER or LSD (STOPS THE DEBATE)
NO FRONT AXLE TRACTION AIDS
NO BEADLOCKS
FACTORY ENGINE/GEARBOX/TRANSFER CASE
MUST BE REGISTERED

Accepted Mods


Axle changes/upgrades (ratios, axles LSD's, locker choice)
Body Protection (NO EXO CAGES)
Approved (complianced) body chops
High or Low mount electric winch (standard motor)
suspension mounting points (no coil overs or airshocks)


EXTREME-MODIFIED

MAXIMUM 6 INCH LIFT (including Bodylifts)
MAXIMUM 37 INCH TYRES (as stated on sidewall, any contruction)
DUAL LOCKERS (no GIC lockers)
NO EXO CAGES
ROLLCAGE
WINDOW NETS
MUST BE REGISTERED

Accepted Mods

complianced/approved Engine/Axle/Gearbox/Transfer changes
complianced/approved body chops
Beadlocked rims
High or lowmount Electric winch (mods allowed)
Suspension mounting points, (no coil overs, airshocks)


OUTLAW

WHAT EVER YOU WANT.



All classes mimimum equipment required to compete.

DRIVER AND NAVIGATOR MUST WEAR HELMETS
GLOVES TO BE WORN FOR ALL RECOVERY/WINCHING
ALL CLASSES TO HAVE FRONT AND REAR RECOVERY POINTS
1X SNATCH STRAP
1X TREE TRUNK PROTECTOR
1X WINCH EXTENSION STRAP
4 X SHACKLES
UHF RADIO
FIRE EXTINGUISHER
FIRST AID KIT

Extreme Modified and Outlaw in addition to the above

ROLLCAGE (Not neccessarily cams or DOT approved)
WINDOW NETS (BOTH SIDES)

Outlaw in addition to the above

Kill switch mounted within reach of driver and appropriately marked.

Sorry i like mine better

The classes is too restrictive of tyre sizes. comon 4" lift with only 33s... Grimace
And who cares about engine components... I dont care if someone has a stock suzuki with a rover V8, they should be able to enter the stock (in my case I called it standard) class.

Obviously yours goes into more detail of the requirements (safety etc) for each competitor and vehicle and I completely agree with them.

I think exo cages or internal cages should be completey accepted in any class as they add safety for occupants and also protect the owners pride and joy.

[booflux]

Regardless of the classes I will probably be in outlaw so as long as that class still exists

You should pass as pro mod so long as you stick with the 37s, minor chassis modifications, and body swaps should be accepted, just to what limits needs to be discussed.

Yeh the Lux would but the mutation I will most likely be competing wouldnt

I've been following this since the first event, and I want to chuck my two bobs worth in.


So here's my thoughts...............

STOCK

NO LIFT
NO INCREASE IN TYRE SIZE OFF FACTORY TYRE PLACARD
MUST BE REGISTERED
FACTORY (stock) DRIVELINE
NO BEADLOCKS
NO EXO CAGES

Accepted Mods

Any pattern/construction tyres
Aftermarket suspension (stock height) standard arms and links
Body Protection (Front/rear bars/sliders etc...)


STREET-MODIFIED

MAXIMUM 4 INCH LIFT (including body lifts)
MAXIMUM 33 INCH TYRES (as stated on sidewall, any contruction)
REAR AXLE LOCKER or LSD (STOPS THE DEBATE)
NO FRONT AXLE TRACTION AIDS
NO BEADLOCKS
FACTORY ENGINE/GEARBOX/TRANSFER CASE
MUST BE REGISTERED

Accepted Mods


Axle changes/upgrades (ratios, axles LSD's, locker choice)
Body Protection (NO EXO CAGES)
Approved (complianced) body chops
High or Low mount electric winch (standard motor)
suspension mounting points (no coil overs or airshocks)


EXTREME-MODIFIED

MAXIMUM 6 INCH LIFT (including Bodylifts)
MAXIMUM 37 INCH TYRES (as stated on sidewall, any contruction)
DUAL LOCKERS (no GIC lockers)
NO EXO CAGES
ROLLCAGE
WINDOW NETS
MUST BE REGISTERED

Accepted Mods

complianced/approved Engine/Axle/Gearbox/Transfer changes
complianced/approved body chops
Beadlocked rims
High or lowmount Electric winch (mods allowed)
Suspension mounting points, (no coil overs, airshocks)


OUTLAW

WHAT EVER YOU WANT.



All classes mimimum equipment required to compete.

DRIVER AND NAVIGATOR MUST WEAR HELMETS
GLOVES TO BE WORN FOR ALL RECOVERY/WINCHING
ALL CLASSES TO HAVE FRONT AND REAR RECOVERY POINTS
1X SNATCH STRAP
1X TREE TRUNK PROTECTOR
1X WINCH EXTENSION STRAP
4 X SHACKLES
UHF RADIO
FIRE EXTINGUISHER
FIRST AID KIT

Extreme Modified and Outlaw in addition to the above

ROLLCAGE (Not neccessarily cams or DOT approved)
WINDOW NETS (BOTH SIDES)

Outlaw in addition to the above

Kill switch mounted within reach of driver and appropriately marked.

Sorry i like mine better

The classes is too restrictive of tyre sizes. comon 4" lift with only 33s... .
And who cares about engine components... I dont care if someone has a stock suzuki with a rover V8, they should be able to enter the stock (in my case I called it standard) class.

Obviously yours goes into more detail of the requirements (safety etc) for each competitor and vehicle and I completely agree with them.

I think exo cages or internal cages should be completey accepted in any class as they add safety for occupants and also protect the owners pride and joy.

I agree with Grimace your classes are much too stringent and you would end up with few if any vehicles in some of those classes. I think half the reason this comp has so many people interested and enjoying it, is that a weekend trail rig already set up can find a class. And unlike some other comps are not being forced to join the next class up if they are not comfortable or willing to.

[OIIIO]

[quote="GRIMACESorry i like mine better

The classes is too restrictive of tyre sizes. comon 4" lift with only 33s... .
And who cares about engine components... I dont care if someone has a stock suzuki with a rover V8, they should be able to enter the stock (in my case I called it standard) class.

Obviously yours goes into more detail of the requirements (safety etc) for each competitor and vehicle and I completely agree with them.

I think exo cages or internal cages should be completey accepted in any class as they add safety for occupants and also protect the owners pride and joy.[/quote]

I liked your more than the previous efforts too.
33's and 4" lift, that's the maximum not what you have to run. And the legal limit for most registered cars........

I'd like to see more road driven cars out there, hence the no exo cage/chop chop type 4by's...

I reckon If you want to run an Exo cage and 39"+ tyres.. that's OUTLAW.

Stock means stock, and would be a good class for the new commers to learn some skills in.

EXTREME MOD would see just about every make of 4by fit within the guidelines.. without the buggies and tough trucks getting in the way..

Meh, doesn't matter much to me anyways. I'll be there next year (Weekend work pending!!) and have some fun beating the Japanese Junk

[GRIMACE]

I reckon If you want to run an Exo cage and 39"+ tyres.. that's OUTLAW.

Thats exactly were you would be in the classin I put forth.

The problem I see is poor young timmy doing his welding ticket, who has a stock suzuki with home made exo can't really compete.

It also means that if I was to enter Fluffy with 37s and dual lockers, I would be fine for the extreme mod, but as soon as I run some bar work up the a pillar and over the roof line I am an outlaw?

The bar work is there to give me confidence and add safety, so you gain that, and then get stuck against chopped rigs that weight less, have bigger tyres, have more flex, more power, more stability etc etc...
Then you have to drive over stuff bigger then your bonnet all because of some bars... barwork doesnt necessarily make a car more capable, I guess is what I am saying.

Same theory as to why I dont think classes should consider body lifts, they just there to clear bigger tyres, which makes them irrelevant, because as soon as the tyre size goes up, you go up a class.
If you run small tyres and a big body lift your gonna be at less of an advantage to those running the same tyres without IMHO.

My original classing was to allow more overlap between class requirements so people could choose to change certain things to be in different classes and not have to redo their entire vehicle. If that makes sense? I dont know, I havnt realy thought about it much until today. Never really intended on competing either, just thought I would throw up another opinion.