axles too long? help please

Post by **350HJ75** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:45 pm

My HJ75 went in to the mechanics to fix a broken wheel stud, i went for new ones all round on both sides and also seals all through the diff. now i was away on site and my brother picked the car up for me but when i went to have a look the hub locking mechanism was not on, i asked my brohter and he said yeah they could not put it on cos the axle is too long??? so i had a go and compared with the other side and yeah the axle sticks out way further so you cant get the hub locking mech on. anyone heard of this or why it could be so? i would think the axles came out so they can go back in. looking at the reciept from them they did a cv overhaul so thats where my suspicion is.... they are closed over the holidays so have not talked to them but am trying to find out for myself. cheers for any help.

Post by **beinthemud** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 1:59 pm

What the

I take it you didnt change axles, There the same ones

Post by **beinthemud** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:02 pm

Hope you didnt pay them for the work

Think youve already answered your own question

Post by **beinthemud** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:12 pm

Cvs probably arent in the diff properly

Post by **dogbreath_48** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:07 pm

I honestly can't think of a way this would happen - unless they removed the brass bush from the spindle and forgot to replace it (which would be obvious when re-assembling - CV would be flopping around in housing.)

Very, very dodgy mechanics if they can't get this sort of job right

Wouldn't want these sort of people stripping my CV's apart!

Post by **beinthemud** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:11 pm

How would they have done everything up surly it would of caused other things to be wrong

Post by **dogbreath_48** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:17 pm

Considering the CV (i can only assume) isn't retained in any way i'd be cautious driving the thing - theres a small chance the CV could cause the steering to bind - (or/also allow the inner axle spline to float too far into the differential???)

Post by **350HJ75** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:45 pm

well these guys are good, we have had lots of work done by them on other cars for years and they have not done dodgy before. but yeah i originally talked to the guy who owns the shop and is the head mechanic and he was doing the job but when it was picked up he was not there so might be an apprentice job or something putting it back together, and yeah it beats me how everything else went back together with the axle sitting wrong.

Post by **DamTriton** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:52 pm

350HJ75 wrote:well these guys are good, we have had lots of work done by them on other cars for years and they have not done dodgy before. but yeah i originally talked to the guy who owns the shop and is the head mechanic and he was doing the job but when it was picked up he was not there so might be an apprentice job or something putting it back together, and yeah it beats me how everything else went back together with the axle sitting wrong.

Spider in the CV installed backwards????

Post by **dogbreath_48** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:38 pm

DAMKIA wrote:
350HJ75 wrote:well these guys are good, we have had lots of work done by them on other cars for years and they have not done dodgy before. but yeah i originally talked to the guy who owns the shop and is the head mechanic and he was doing the job but when it was picked up he was not there so might be an apprentice job or something putting it back together, and yeah it beats me how everything else went back together with the axle sitting wrong.

Spider in the CV installed backwards????

The CV is hard up against the bush in the knuckle spindle - if the spider was installed incorrectly (which i recall is actually impossible), it would simply force the inner axle firther towards the diff.

(i can supply a high res copy of that would help)

Post by **75 cruser** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:46 pm

how much longer is the axle,

, its not some thing simple like the free wheeling hubs is engaged when you are trying to fit it back on or some thing , got me stuffed, he must have forgotten to put some thing back in for sure,

rob

Post by **Z()LTAN** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:06 pm

i know its a silly q, but is the spacer ring/backing plate bolted to the correct side of the spindle?

Post by **moose2367** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:43 pm

If they replaced the CV's, they may have replaced them with ones from a full time 4wd model, like an 80 series, as long as the spline count is the same. CV's from full time 4wd models are longer than from part time models.

Cheers

Post by **RED60** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:29 pm

moose2367 wrote:If they replaced the CV's, they may have replaced them with ones from a full time 4wd model, like an 80 series, as long as the spline count is the same. CV's from full time 4wd models are longer than from part time models.

Cheers

I choose this one......

Post by **350HJ75** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:28 am

Z()LTAN, im not sure exaclty what those bits are.. lol but if its a spacer then that seems possible.. if you are able to point out on the exploded view then i can check it out. the axle sticks out about 25mm longer, i dont think the CV's were replaced as i ddnt ask them to even touch them but there is a CV rebuild kit in the receipt, which i dont mind cos if they were stuffed im happy to have them repaired. but hopefully a few more things will be clear tomorrow when i talk to them.

Post by **dogbreath_48** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:45 am

Z()LTAN wrote:i know its a silly q, but is the spacer ring/backing plate bolted to the correct side of the spindle?

if the backing plate was placed behind the stub, the axle
would 'appear' shorter

Edit: even that wouldn't happen!

Post by **simcoz** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:40 am

[quote="350HJ75"]might be an apprentice job or something[quote]

Poor old apprentices always getting the blame,but they're only as good as the tradesman teaching them

but we all make mistakes even my apprentices do

Post by **75 cruser** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:48 am

if the axle is 25mm longer it cant be placed in the diff center, but on the same token the cv would be hitting on the back of the stub axle

rob

Post by **coxy321** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:54 am

75 cruser wrote:if the axle is 25mm longer it cant be placed in the diff center, but on the same token the cv would be hitting on the back of the stub axle

rob

Thats what i was thinking, but yes, if it wasn't seated in the diff centre end then the outside end definately wouldn't all bolt back together.

As far as the OP states, it was only seals and wheel studs that were replaced - no mention of CV's or axles.....

Post by **Ruffy** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:35 am

coxy321 wrote:As far as the OP states, it was only seals and wheel studs that were replaced - no mention of CV's or axles.....

This is the confusing part. There was no reason to have the Stub axle off the steering knuckle.

Does the axle actually protrude past the end of the locking hub?

To try and put a picture into words... The hub houses the wheel bearings and it's location on the stub axle is determined by the wheel bearing location. Assuming they are fitted correctly it can only go in one position. The locking hub fits onto the end of the hub with six studs/cones washers retaining it. Then there is a circlip that goes onto the axle to stop the axle from moving inwards.
Does this circlip fit correctly? or is the groove for the circlip a long way from the locking hub?
I would be returning the vehicle ASAP to have the repairer rectify their mistake.

Dan

Post by **75 cruser** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:09 am

im thinking a photo will help heaps, if you dont know how to post it just email it to me and ill do it for you

thanks rob

Post by **350HJ75** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 11:53 am

here is a picture of how it currently sits, the mechanics were closed today so no go there. The steering knuckle came off because they also did those scraper seals on the back of the steering knuckle, i might take the wheel off and check the position of the hub.

Post by **Chucky** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:16 pm

I cant beleive they gave it back to you like that.
Looks like they just threw it together so they could get it out the door and have a early knockoff before Xmas

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:23 pm

assuming you don't have a welded centre or an auto locker

lock the other side hub, and spin the front driveshaft by hand and get someone to hold the stub axle and see if it turns with the driveshaft.

Post by **350HJ75** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:36 pm

bad_religion, i will try that.

i took the wheel off and took some pics so maybe someone can spot something.

and look what i found wedged underneath my u bolts!

Post by **nottie** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:54 pm

BWHahahahahaha Top of there trolly jack.

If you do have a bit of mechanical ability i would start stripping it down and inspect every bit of it as you go.
But seriously that is some farked shyt right there. How can they give you a car back that is not operating the same way it did when you droped it to them.

Post by **350HJ75** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:07 pm

bad_religion, i tried what you said and yes that axle does spin.

Post by **dogbreath_48** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:09 pm

The picture looks fine to me (at lease the circlip appears to be in the correct position - hard to tell exactly how far the axle protrudes beyond the circlip groove). It's possible the fwh mechanism isn't assembled proplely or you are attempting to insert it incorrectly (wrong orientation) you'll see inside the alloy housing some slots are different from others - some are single wide slots, some are double narrow slots. There is tab on the ring gear in the locking mechanism that will not fit into the double slots, only the side single slot.

...now as for why the other side appears shorter

P.s. Should be a split pin on that steering arm/tie rod end nut

Post by **coxy321** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:00 pm

Wow.

They must have been in a real hurry/cantbephucked mood to send out a customer vehicle only partly assembled, and to have also missed the fact their trolley jack was missing its head confirms their lack of concentration.

Personally, i wouldn't be touching it. Put the wheel back on, and take it back down there as soon as they open up and request that they fix it. I would also be politely asking "What the fcuk do i pay labour costs for if i have to reassemble the car myself?"

On the up side, your rotors and pads look nice!

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:48 pm

350HJ75 wrote:bad_religion, i tried what you said and yes that axle does spin.

so the splines are in the diff side gears.

i'm out of ideas

take it back.

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