Are 33"s Illegal on a 80 series?

[Jonezy01]

As above are 33s illegal on a 80 series as a mate of mine just got defected They reckon that their to big. He also got done for the 4" lift but i can understand that. I was under the impression that 33s were still legal. Can someone shed some light on this.

Cheers Jonezy

[flyinwall]

where was he when he was done as i have 5" lift and 33" MTZ's and i am on the sunshine coast as well

[craz3d]

where was he when he was done as i have 5" lift and 33" MTZ's and i am on the sunshine coast as well

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic191149.php

[SCANAS]

33x11.5 are the biggest legal for 60 series so 80 should be cool.... are they 11.5 or 12.5? Most 33's are 12.5..... which are too wide

[skootin]

I was told by a police officer "extend your flares to cover your tyres"
So that as long as the tread is covered 33's would be fine on my 106 hilux and many of my mates have 315's and they have been told the same thing if the tread sticks out past the flare or body you will get fisted.
4" lift should be still legal i thought it was 100mm max lift.

[Matt_85Lux]

you can not only go to high with a tyre but too wide aswell. There are track limitations that you should also consider if the tyres will be legal or not.

As for the 33s on a hilux technically 31s are defectable on a Lux and I can only think of one 4wd that can run 315s (or 35s) legally, and that's a H2 Hummer, in Qld anyway. Now before you argue that I/my mates have never been defected for running 33s on a lux or for 315s on something else, just because they have never defected you soesn't mean they can't/won't. It just seems you may have encountered a rare type of copper, the understandingly fair one.

As for the original post the 80 series came out with a variety of sizes 31s, 265/75/16, 235/85/16. Unfortunately none of them allow you to run 33s legally, as you are allowed 15mm bigger in diameter and the closest you can get is about 25mm bigger. So yes you can get defected for 33s on an 80 but you'd be really unlucky though

[Wozza244]

Just had my 60 engineered with 33" he wouldnt engineer it for 10" rims though, only 8".
I hav it engineered with 2" spring lift (basically aftermarket springs) and 2" bodylift.

The wallopers can do ya for anything if ya let them walk over you.

I keep my engineering cert in the glove box just in case they wanna pull out the old defect card. The other week a cop tried to tell me 33" was illegal on my ute, i promptly told him it was engineered and i had the paperwork with me, <insert picture of angry cop here> hahahah

[Matt_85Lux]

Just had my 60 engineered with 33" he wouldnt engineer it for 10" rims though, only 8".
I hav it engineered with 2" spring lift (basically aftermarket springs) and 2" bodylift.

The wallopers can do ya for anything if ya let them walk over you.

I keep my engineering cert in the glove box just in case they wanna pull out the old defect card. The other week a cop tried to tell me 33" was illegal on my ute, i promptly told him it was engineered and i had the paperwork with me, <insert picture of angry cop here> hahahah

Which State? As they all have different rules, what may be legal in one state may not be legal in another.

As far as I know getting something engineered in Qld is not an option, which is why a lot of Qld comp trucks (that could be engineered and made legal in other states) are classified as illegally modified and easy targets for a defect notice

[Wozza244]

In NSW i had it engineered, bought it from QLD fully engineered, chopped to single cab, 6.5 chev diesel conversion etc etc, QLD engineering means nothing in NSW. Its rubbish.

[crosswire]

As above are 33s illegal on a 80 series as a mate of mine just got defected They reckon that their to big. He also got done for the 4" lift but i can understand that. I was under the impression that 33s were still legal. Can someone shed some light on this.

Cheers Jonezy

33's are not legal on an 80 series in QLD.

you can not only go to high with a tyre but too wide aswell. There are track limitations that you should also consider if the tyres will be legal or not.

As for the 33s on a hilux technically 31s are defectable on a Lux and I can only think of one 4wd that can run 315s (or 35s) legally, and that's a H2 Hummer, in Qld anyway. Now before you argue that I/my mates have never been defected for running 33s on a lux or for 315s on something else, just because they have never defected you soesn't mean they can't/won't. It just seems you may have encountered a rare type of copper, the understandingly fair one.

As for the original post the 80 series came out with a variety of sizes 31s, 265/75/16, 235/85/16. Unfortunately none of them allow you to run 33s legally, as you are allowed 15mm bigger in diameter and the closest you can get is about 25mm bigger. So yes you can get defected for 33s on an 80 but you'd be really unlucky though

Listen to this man, he has it right!

Which State? As they all have different rules, what may be legal in one state may not be legal in another.

Correct

As far as I know getting something engineered in Qld is not an option, which is why a lot of Qld comp trucks (that could be engineered and made legal in other states) are classified as illegally modified and easy targets for a defect notice

Correct, if you mean something = tyres above and beyond the current regulations.

Ugh.... so much misinformation still out there. When will people learn?

[SCANAS]

Why are they legal on a 60 series but not an 80 series surely the optional tyre size is the same or bigger for 80 series?

[thomasando]

4" lift should be still legal i thought it was 100mm max lift.

4" total lift in Qld - comprising of a maximum 2" spring lift and maximum 2" body lift. Can't have 4" of one or the other.

[Matt_85Lux]

Why are they legal on a 60 series but not an 80 series surely the optional tyre size is the same or bigger for 80 series?

Technically they're not either, you're just unlucky if the do defect you for t same as an 80 series

Ugh.... so much misinformation still out there. When will people learn?

I think it is because alot of the time people ask questions on a national forum, such as outers, and listen to advice given to them from someone in another state that has completely different rules, or the local cops may let them and there mates get away with something and instantly its not illegal.

For example My old sierra had 5-6inches of lift and ran 31s I never got pulled over and questioned about any of it, however it was still illegal.

Another big thing i have found is misleading facts from different businesses, I have heard from a few people one of the salesman at a ocal 4x4 store has been saying that big lifts (over 4inch) and big tyres (35s and over) are legal in Qld, whilst I haven't heard it myself knowing the guy they are talking about it wouldn't surprise me.

[SCANAS]

I got defected on 35x12.5 and was told by State Traffic that 33x11.5 are cool and our Inspectors at work agree 33x11.5 as do the tyre shop guys. Going in for my inspection for Body Lift next week... I'll let you know!!!

[Matt_85Lux]

I got defected on 35x12.5 and was told by State Traffic that 33x11.5 are cool and our Inspectors at work agree 33x11.5 as do the tyre shop guys. Going in for my inspection for Body Lift next week... I'll let you know!!!

Which state?

[SCANAS]

The best state, QLD !!! Except for modified cars

[Matt_85Lux]

well as far as i know biggest tyre the 60 came out on was a 235/85/16 which about a 32 (little bit smaller, 805.9mm compared to 816mm), now a 33 is 1inch bigger than a 32 in diameter (on paper) which is about 25mm. Unless they have changed the rules recently and I haven't heard (doubt it as I have a few good connections in the tyre industry) you are allowed to go 15mm bigger in diameter, so that rules out 33s and bigger on a 60 series

the Qld transport mod guide

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... icles2.pdf

The rim diameter may be varied from the standard size
but the overall diameter of the tyre must not vary by
more than +15mm or -26mm.

The maximum tyre width for a car or car derivative must
not be more than 1.3 times the vehicle manufacturer’s
widest optional tyre.
However, for an off-road passenger vehicle fitted with
front and rear beam axles, the maximum tyre width
must not be more than 1.5 times the vehicle
manufacturer’s widest optional tyre.
The nominal width of the narrowest tyre fitted to a
vehicle must not be less than 70 per cent of the nominal
width of the largest tyre fitted and never less than the
vehicle manufacturer’s narrowest optional tyre as
indicated on the manufacturer’s tyre placard.

The rims and tyres must not protrude beyond the
bodywork of the vehicle, including flares, when viewed
from above with the wheels facing straight ahead. If the
vehicle was originally constructed with a portion of the
wheel protruding, the wheels must not protrude further
than originally constructed.
The tyre to rim fitting and the tyre to rim combination
must be in accordance with the Tyre and Rim Standards
Manual published by the Tyre and Rim Association of
Australia. Reputable tyre retailers should have this
information and be able to advise on the correct
combinations.
All rims fitted to an axle must be of the same diameter,
width and offset. They must not have a circumferential
weld other than that which attaches the outer rim to
the centre. All rims must have stud hole pitch circle
diameters suitable to the hub. Wheel nut tapers must
be appropriate to the wheel and must engage the thread
of the wheel studs for at least the same length as the
nuts provided by the vehicle manufacturer.
Slotted and elongated stud holes are not permitted.
The fitting of spacers or adaptors between wheels and
hubs, additional to those provided by the vehicle
manufacturer, is not permitted. The tyre and rim must
not foul wheel arches or suspension components under
any conditions. Steering limit stops must not be adjusted
to reduce the turning circle in order to allow the fitting
of the alternative rims and tyres.

The track of a car or car derivative may be increased
by up to 26mm beyond the maximum specified by
the vehicle manufacturer for the particular model of
vehicle. Off-road passenger vehicles fitted with front
and rear beam axles, may have an increase in track
up to 50mm beyond the maximum specified by
the vehicle manufacturer for the particular model
of vehicle.

[clownman]

the biggest you c an go on a 100 series is 285/75/16 which is just a bees dick short of 33 " unless laws have changed since christmas when i had them put on

[Matt_85Lux]

the biggest you c an go on a 100 series is 285/75/16 which is just a bees dick short of 33 " unless laws have changed since christmas when i had them put on

Other way around, they're a bee's dick bigger. Also they aren't the biggest as they are 42.5 mm bigger than standard and you are only allowed 15mm bigger in Qld

[zackde]

This is an interesting thread. I have put an LS3 into an 80 and the engineers biggest concern has been tyre size, suspension lift and GVM. The biggest size tyre he will engineer on an 80 is 285/75/16 with 2" suspension lift and standard rim offset. This is for Vic.
Cheers Zack.

[Jonezy01]

He got done on his way to work at burpangary he was runing 33x12.5x16
The poor bloke cant catch a break he only got his licence back the day before he got defected. Luckly he didnt even get a fine or lose points. Just his car taken off the road and told he has 30 days to return it to standard he is now waying up if its worth bringing it back to standard or just selling it unregested.

[hj 45]

So basically 33x12.5 tyres are illegal across all landcruisers, even the 40/45 series?

[Matt_85Lux]

So basically 33x12.5 tyres are illegal across all landcruisers, even the 40/45 series?

In Qld, technically speaking yes. However you would be very unlucky to get done for it as there is a fair amount running around with 33s, same as Hiluxes running around on 31s technically 31s are illegal on Hiluxes but you are very unlucky if you get defected for running 31s on one.

[Shadow]

So basically 33x12.5 tyres are illegal across all landcruisers, even the 40/45 series?

depends on the tyre though, many 33's measure dramatically smaller than 33". Alot are much closer to 32".

[hj 45]

So basically 33x12.5 tyres are illegal across all landcruisers, even the 40/45 series?

depends on the tyre though, many 33's measure dramatically smaller than 33". Alot are much closer to 32".

True, my 33 inch buckshots are only marginally larger than some 7.50x16 Dunlops that I have.

[Matt_85Lux]

So basically 33x12.5 tyres are illegal across all landcruisers, even the 40/45 series?

depends on the tyre though, many 33's measure dramatically smaller than 33". Alot are much closer to 32".

The problem there is the authorities go on what size the book says not the size that particular brand of tyre is.

so regardless if it is a "small" 33 or not they go on the standard measurement of 829mm diameter

[ledgend80]

exactly what matt_85lux said. when we have machines at work getting weighed for rego buy qt and they want to see the load carrying capcity of a certain tyre they pull out there trust little book on tyres that tell them everything about the different size tyre. (load capcity tyre diameter and so on)

[SCANAS]

There are a lot of cars running around on 35's,36's,37's and 38's but I'd say your mate got done for the width rather than the height. I'll let you know next week when I go in.

They do no measure the tyre so it can be a tall or short 33, they go by the sidewall reading only.

[thehanko]

down south here in nsw I have heard they go off actual diameter or stated diameter, which ever is bigger!

so if it says 33 buy is 32 in reality they say its 33.

but

if it says 33 but measures 34 then its a 34 as far as they are concerned

[Matt_85Lux]

There are a lot of cars running around on 35's,36's,37's and 38's but I'd say your mate got done for the width rather than the height. I'll let you know next week when I go in.

Like I said preciously just because there are a heap of cars running big tyres and getting away with it doesn't make it legal. The rule on tyre size IS no more than 15mm bigger in diameter.

33s on a cruiser are illegal BUT most of the time they let it slide same as 31s on a hilux.