IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT :: PROPOSED MODIFIED CAR RULING CHANG

[sonny]

URGENT URGENT ACTION REQUIRED BY ALL ENTHUSIASTS


PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS EFFECTS EVERYONE IN OUR ENTHUSIAST MOVEMENT NO MATTER WHAT CAR YOU OWN


NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT AND ACT SWIFTLY TO ENSURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN AND BUILD OUR CARS OUR WAY WITHIN CURRENT ENGINEERS GUIDELINES


THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO STOP US PUTTING OUR VETERAN VINTAGE CLASSICS AND HOTRODS ON FULL REGISTRATION PERIOD SO WE NEED TO STAND UP AND SAY "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"


RALLY THE SUPPORT PEOPLE WE HAVE TO SAY "NO WAY" AND RIGHT NOW


PLEASE CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW AND SIGN ASAP


WE MUST SUPPORT THE RODDERS WHO HAVE GONE INTO BATTLE ON THIS FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS


DON'T LET THESE RIDICULOUS LAWS DESTROY OUR WAY OF LIFE AND THE PRECIOUS HOBBY MOST OF US LIVE FOR



HUGE THANKS GO TO THE DRAG-ENS HOTROD CLUB FOR FLYING THE FLAG ON THIS URGENT REQUEST




The NSW RTA is proposing changes to the current registration system for modified vehicles.


These changes will mean that the majority of modified vehicles will be classified as individually constructed and will have to comply with the ADR's current on the day that it goes for registration.


Please follow the link below and sign the petition to assist us in taking the fight to the NSW Transport Minister.

this also applys to 4x4's so spread the word.this is another wave in our fight!!!so spread the word!!!!


SAY NO TO RULE CHANGES PETITION

[hyzook]

where is the link?
any further info or vsi numbers that we can give to the association to chase up through the the necessary channels, rather than them or us barking up the wrong tree.

[sonny]

sorry the link didnt work,try this.
this can affect all our 4x4 mods also!

http://www.gopetition.com/online/37707.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Slunnie]

Is there any documentation to support this or give more information?

[sonny]

maybe i shouldnt have bothered.

[toughnut]

maybe i shouldnt have bothered.

Mate we are just after more information. Is this along the same lines as VSI 50 or is it something new altogether? We just want more information before we blindly sign a petition that we know nothing about. Who's to say that this petition won't be used for something else?

[Slunnie]

maybe i shouldnt have bothered.

Mate we are just after more information. Is this along the same lines as VSI 50 or is it something new altogether? We just want more information before we blindly sign a petition that we know nothing about. Who's to say that this petition won't be used for something else?

Thats exactly it, nobody is having a go at you - there just isn't much info about it.

[sonny]

there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

[toughnut]

there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

Mate quit sulking. There is a massive ammount of information on VSI 50 and it was a ruling that was going to affect everyone. I for one would like to know more information on what you're trying to get me to sign. Is it too much to as for some information before I make a desision? There are no links from this site to the ruling that the RTA are trying to make. Its not that I don't want to help. I'd be happy to help but I like to be informed rather than jumping in blind.

[hyzook]

there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

I did not have a problem signing an online petition (which I did sign) I also sent a message to the petition author to ask for more info (just like I asked you), the main reason I would like info is that many people have worked long and hard at getting a reasonable outcome from working with the RTA and just when it looked like the association and the AAAA had achieved some ground* a few things happened
1. The minister was a naughty boy and got spanked
2. Engineers were called in for a meeting with the RTA (don't know why)
3. You post this
I would like to have it followed up but an online petition claiming the sky to be falling is not enough to go on. I am not blaming you for the lack of info just asking if you have anymore info, which clearly you don't so hopefully the petition author does.

*(see Association website for more info)

[grimbo]

there wasnt much info about the recent time when they tried to stop all 4x4 suspension mods when i came across them either but guess what,all the car communities in australia stood by the 4x4 drivers and signed the petition and had it thrown out.i suppose when the going gets tough you know who your real mates are.

wow

This forum went hell for leather at the recent ruling organising rallies, petitions, meetings etc to ensure it didn't go through. If you had bothered to even read the sticky in general chit chat or done a little search you would have seen that.

If there has been a another recent shift to get this happening again by government then of course people are going to once again fight for what they believe in. However just coming on asking people to sign a petition without giving any supportive info and then cracking the sads and accusing them on not caring isn't going to help.

[King Nothing]

I haven't seen anything either in the car modification scene other than this online petition, and I spent some time last night searching for anything that indicated a change in the laws. I've also asked the petition author for more information, but haven't heard anything back yet.

There is an idea that the author has gotten confused with the change in enforcement on privately imported vehicles. I can't remember the details, but basically now it's almost impossible to register an imported car that has any modifications whatsoever. The law was originally introduced to stop re-manufactured mustangs, camaros etc in the states (newly manufactured bodies, essentially new cars) being imported here and not complying with new car standards on emissions. The interpretation has now changed so even original cars with items like aftermarket brakes, suspension, etc are almost impossible to register. Or something along those lines.

If I hear anything from any of the car forums I'm on I'll pass it on here. If this is a reincarnaiton of a VSI 50 type law then we'll certainly have a bigger fight on our hands. This will have a huge impact on all aspects of the car/4wd industry.

What about aftermarket LPG systems?
Performance tyres?
Bullbars?
Headlights?
Stereo systems?
K&N air filters?
Modified electricals?
Aftermarket towbars?
Suspension systems, including those modified to transport caravans?

Will any of these be affected? Where do they draw the line?

[King Nothing]

Guys, some more information. Taken from here: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/show ... 071&page=2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "

"Tony, as far as I know it is for all modified vehicles full registration. From what I'm hearing, modification could mean paint colour change ,wheel change, ride height ect. I'm chasing for more info.........This will affect any car group or club wanting something other than off the showroom floor. "

Sound like any modified car/4WD will have to be engineered and taken over the pits?

[King Nothing]

I've received a reply from the petition starter;

The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it.

[hyzook]

I've received a reply from the petition starter;

The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it.

I recieved the same info from the author, sound like the RTA is up to no good again. You have to wonder what their motive is.

[oozuk]

signed, but looking forward to reading more info supporting these claims

[DamTriton]

Formal request for information via FOI legislation and consultation with affected parties? Court sought/ordered injunction on any further alterations to VSI 50 until the FOI issues are met?

This would seem the best way to proceed. Legal, proper, effective, and definitive result. Govt department can ignore the plebs, but the cannot ignore the courts.

Petitions do didly squat - when was the last time any Govt department actually took any real notice of them? (seriously) The people that work in these departments are not elected to their positions, and basically couldn't give a rats arse about any petition that may be put in front of them.

[St Jimmy]

Send a Email to this guy he helped us before

http://www.andrewstoner.com.au/componen ... mecontact/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[toughnut]

I just signed this petition and I also sent an email to Andrew stoner asking if there is anything new on the immediate horizon. Hopefully this is a late starter petition for the VSI 50 issue. We'll see if we get something back.

[Bush65]

... and had it thrown out.

Any suggestion that VSI50 was thrown out is wrong. The result from the outcry was for RTA to enter consultations on VSI50 before releasing it. My understanding is that RTA have not budged very far (certainly not toward big lifts) during the negotiations - BTW wheels and tyres are covered by VSI9.

... If this is a reincarnaiton of a VSI 50 type law then we'll certainly have a bigger fight on our hands. ...

When VSI50 is finally released, it will be hard to imagine any possibility of having RTA make any significant changes.

2. Engineers were called in for a meeting with the RTA (don't know why)

I'm not sure what meeting was referred to here.

Recently, RTA invited interested engineers to a meeting so the RTA could provide information on changes from current engineering signatories scheme to a different engineering scheme - nothing to do with upcoming changes to allowable vehicle mods.

[King Nothing]

This was posted on another forum from one of the big wigs at Australian Street Rod Federation

Hi Rodders,

I must admit I am not partial to these forums as things can be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.

I would like to clarify that no information has been withheld from the ASRF Committee meetings with the RTA as mentioned in this and other forums.
It has been well documented that the RTA has been working for several years on a revised version of the Modified Production Code of Practice that we register our vehicles to today. The document that the RTA is working with to replace the Code of Practice is called VSB14 (The National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) a subclause of this document is the National Guidelines for Street Rods. This document is a Technical Document that most States with the exception of NSW and QLD have adopted as Policy. The ASRF has been dealing with the RTA to implement a registration system for Street Rods utilising the Technical Guidelines from this document.

On Friday 2nd July 2010 two members of the ASRF Committee (myself and Darren Abela) met with the RTA, in this three hour meeting several issues were discussed, one of which was the RTA proposed that Street Rods should look at adopting the line of an ICV with exemptions, another was discussed regarding a restricted registration based on the above document with restricted days of road use. The RTA asked that we the ASRF Committee submit a revised proposal considering these options. I am at present finalising our revised submission based on an unrestricted registration scheme. The Committee will review this revised proposal before submission to the RTA.

As mentioned above the RTA is working on the replacement Guidelines and in their wisdom are not looking to implement it as a whole document, we were given a portion of the draft document be it half a page defining what they might classify as an ICV. If implemented this portion this would make most heavily modified vehicles ICV’s, but this is draft document only.
I would like to make a point at this time that the RTA a couple of years ago put VSB14 (National Code of Practice for Modified Vehicles) out for public comment and to the Working Parties who assisted in the development of the Modified Production Code of Practice we register vehicles to today, (this document was original implemented in 1994) however the ASRF who was part of the original Working Party was not consulted (they were forgotten). This document has been closed for Public Comment for some time now, technically the ASRF or any other party other than the working party have no rebuff on this document, however the RTA have advised they would like our input on any issues in this document. We are still waiting on a complete draft of the VSB14.

Another point raised at the meeting was the implementation of the revised VSI50 (Raising and lowering of vehicles) this has been well documented through the ASRF as the ASRF Committee brokered a deal with the RTA that Street Rods have exemption to this document. The RTA advised that they are looking to implement VSI50 in August 2010 and there will be a grace period.

The RTA also advised that the new Engineering System is hoped to be implemented in February 2011.

On another matter and I hope I am not speaking out of term, but to try and minimise phone calls and people’s concerns that nothing is being done for post 49 vehicles, I am meeting with some prominent car enthusiasts this Friday, with the intent of the group to establish an Umbrella Association for all vehicle registrations (i.e. Street Machines, Vintage & Veteran, 4 Wheel Drives, Modified Vehicles, etc). This Association will not be looking at taking over the registration or administration from these car groups, it is purely for numbers, if a group has issues or needs assistance in registration with numbers backing an Association we can achieve a lot more than each individual group on its own. I agree with some people’s opinions in this forum that things look dark however on a brighter note we have people ready to take the fight, we need to not get confused about these issues, not think some organisation is going to take over the world, we just need to trust and assist those taking up the fight after all we are all motor enthusiast looking to keep what we believe is rightfully ours. Years ago I figured out that it was ok to complain once, but if you want results you need to take action, you need to do it in the right process and in due course to get the right results.

We will keep you informed on further information pertaining to the Umbrella Association.

I would like to remind everybody that the Directors and Committees of the ASRF are Volunteers, no one is being paid for their efforts.

Something to think about when talking to Politicians you talk numbers, the more numbers the bigger the ears open up, Politicians talk electorate (numbers) an electorate is equal to 47,500 voters so if we have 600,000 members under one Umbrella Association we should be able to pull a chair up to the table when needed.

At this point I would like to thank all those who are supporting us in this fight to keep our Hobbies, Passions and Heritage alive.

I hope this has cleared up some confusion.

A couple of points;

- VSI 50 is certainly still on the cards. This was the proposed changes last year about basically making it impossible to lower your car. From what I've read the RTA hasn't really budged at all. The rodders have got an exemption but everyone else are still in it. And from next month, by the sound of it.

- Sounds like a modified car alliance will be starting up soon, similar to the LVVTA NZ (google it).

- Most heavily modified vehicles will become ICVs, and to register will require meeting current ADRs. As to where the line is drawn, I'm not sure.

Some more information. Almost every single car/4wd on this forum may have to have concessional registration.

Mark, supposedly this was raised at the last NSW D.C. meeting. Reps., Elvis being one of them, had been in discusions with NSW RTA re: this matter.
Was led to believe that the NSW's RTA, wants all new "modified vehicles"( that includes all modified vehicles, not just rods!!)
rego'd after December 2010, to be on "concessional registration". If the owner wanted to, they could try for ICV, but would have to comply with ADR's applicable, at the time of applying for rego. As the ADR's are an ever moving "set of goal posts" ( think electronic stability control, air bags , supplimental restraint systems, to name a few ) achieving ICV status would be almost impossible for the average constructor.
I'm also told they want the final say on registration of a particular vehicle, not just the current, engineer- blue slip- rego set of steps.
As I prefaced this with "supposedly", I would like to say I hope I'm wrong, and will be delighted to be so.
However I have a, "not so good feeling" about all of this, because we have been through all of this before, a la early '80's from memory.

[KiwiBacon]

This was posted on another forum from one of the big wigs at Australian Street Rod Federation

- Sounds like a modified car alliance will be starting up soon, similar to the LVVTA NZ (google it).

Interesting.
The LVV process has been running here for maybe 15 years. It's a good process but it has some issues.
The NZ one isn't run by engineers, your car is certed and plated by approved mechanics in a similar vein to our 6 monthly safety inspections (WOF). I've heard of some extremely dodgy calls being made by certifiers but in the end it's still safer than what muppets would be up to without the LVV system.
Our LVV system works because of the 6 monthly safety inspections, without those it would be up to cops on the street picking out cars lowered until the drag the ground etc.

Cops here run a sticker system. Get caught with a dangerous vehicle and a big pink sticker is placed on the windscreen. The car must be trailered away and isn't allowed on public roads until defects are fixed and a new WOF is issued. There are other colour/grade stickers as well, one I beleive lets you drive home and gives a time period to sort out issues.

What is ICV?

[toughnut]

ICV is Individually Constructed Vehicle. We have a similar sticker system here. A yellow canary gives you a set amount of time to fix or have checked any items that have been cited. It is sometimes abused though as I've heard some interesting defects such as condensation in the headlight (it was in between the headlight and the protector), intermitent indicator. Its on, off, on, off, haha. I really like that one. There are heaps more as well. I've even seen a defect given because there was a scratch in the paint that was down to metal. But most of these would have been the result of the drivers attitude as well.