CCDA

[LOCKY]

Intro letter. PM me for membership application.



The Cross Country Drivers Association (CCDA) is now in full swing nationally.

Our sporting regulations (rules) and vehicle specifications have now been released and already adopted by events such as Outback Challenge, Navrun, Vic Winch Challenge, etc.

We have been encouraging involvement from all states. Note the contact details on the application form.

We are now well into negotiations with potential insurers as we are seeking a blanket policy to cover public liability at all events sanctioned by the CCDA. What makes this a very real possibility will be our large membership profile and the professionalism behind our rules and regulations.

We need as many members as possible so that we can afford the hefty insurance premium as well as promote this exciting and rapidly growing sport. Please pass this on to all your four wheel drive buddies and club members and encourage them all to join. Don't forget to join up yourself, either. The application form is attached. My original email is only to a select few. Please spread the word.

Please drop into your local 4WD store and ask them to hand out the application forms or put them on their counter fellow four wheelers to see.

Applications received before 31/3/4 become founding members and receive a gold membership card. Note also members are entitled to significant discounts at participating 4WD outlets.

We have a competition for the best logo submitted before 31/03/04. The prize is a burke and wills swag.

Regards and thanks,


Steve Hobbs

[LOCKY]

Thank you to all that have pm'd for applications.

Is also evolving for unregistered classes. Might help wityh insurance for rock crawling events also.

[thaoldman]

I thought that there was a meeting planned in sydney at Traction 4 soon. Has it been cancelled ?? or is it still happening ??
Anyone know ?

[N*A*M]

where can i get more info and app form?

[Britswed]

PM Locky

[thaoldman]

Found it..here is the info for NSW....

".........Sunday March 14th, Traction 4 workshop, 3 McLachlan Avenue Artarmon. 11:30am

The Cross Country Drivers Association has kicked off with an excellent set of model rules and calling for members. The NSW competition drivers & navvies are getting together to see how we can take davantage of this national movement. BBQ /sausages sandwiches will be supplied on the day for lunch. Bring your own chair Bring your own notes Bring your own drinks Also bring $20.00 to join up and become a CCDA member on the day to help launch this governing body for our future in motor sports. For more into refer to http://ccda.4wd.org.au ..........."

[Drafty]

Locky how do l log on to the site?

[LOCKY]

Don't know yet

[Drafty]

Don't know yet

OK then

[maptrap]

The website link for downloading all the details, etc for the CCDA can be found at the officail NAVRUN site.

http://member.netlink.com.au/~maptrap/navrun.htm

Regards, Rudi

PS Locky you should've known that!!!!!!!!!!!

[Britswed]

Maptrap that wasnt the question it was "how do i log on"(user name & password) to the site at the moment you need to be a financial member and by what i can tell be given a pass word to be able to access the "full site"

Cheers Mal

[LOCKY]

Rudi and all,

the CCDA site is still in development.

All will be revealled shortly when passwords are issued.

[big red]

i downloaded the membership form and rules from the competition section of www.procomp.com.au

[okz00k]

The NSW competition guys & gals met on Sunday 14 March and agreed to take full advantage of CCDA. They are fully in support of the CCDA as:

A global body, not constrained by political or territorial boundaries, with equitable representation from functional groups representing 4WD competition events and roles along with regional groups representing the peculiar issues of their locality

Check out their meeting notes and read Norm Needham's introduction at http://CCDA.4wd.org.au

The NSW chapter of the CCDA has been kicked off with the following key players:

Chairman: Dean Kilmurray
Secretary: Shane Barlow
Registrar: Det Voges
Events/Promotions: Celia Barry

Rules committee delegates are yet to be appointed.

[Dozoor]

Ok ive been and had a look at the ccda site , as ive stated before i think this is a good thing , and i see they have sorted a lot of the rules out in the standard class , and made it what i see as a very close arena,

You are asking for members and it is understood this is the only way for this association to survive. I have asked a Question within an other thread within this forum and had no reply up to this post.
I am not a member of your organisation and currently would not become a member of an orginisation that would rule my vehicle completly from competition so there fore cannot post an open question on your site.

Your org is pushing to use these rules as a federal body governing all 4x4 competition bar offroad racing,
My question .
Under your rules a number of vehicles currently competing in the outlaw class and my current upgrades to my own vehicle , would make these vehicle ineligable for competition .
Quote from your Rule For the top Class / challenge class.
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3.4.13 CHASSIS
The original chassis for that make of vehicle shall be used.
Strengthening with the additional bracing is acceptable.
Spring and shock absorber chassis mountings may be strengthened.
Protection plates may be added for strengthening and protection purposes.
3.4.14 BODY
The body of the make of the vehicle shall be readily recognised and shall be the same manufacturer as
the chassis.
The combination of body and chassis may be updated with body and chassis elements from later models
of the same make of vehicle.
Body alterations are permissible to a maximum of 50% of the side profile of the original make of vehicle
regardless of model.
The determination of the 50% is based on an area being the portion of the side view that is added or
removed from the total area determined by the rectangle of the extreme forward and rearward points, the
roof and the ground of the original vehicle.
Body lifts shall be limited to 75mm and shall be completed in a safe and secure manner and the spacers
shall be a non-crushable material and the bolts shall be the same diameter as the original body mounting
bolts and at least grade 8. There shall be the same number of body mounts and supports as the original
chassis and body combination.
Additional mudflaps flares and door sills may be added for protection.
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In perticuler the ruling on original chassis and body for the make of vehicles.
This rule would effectivley stop any re-bodied vehicle , from competition
eg Bush rangies - cj2 jeep replicas on dihatsu/ suzuki - the new australian biult hummer replica on mq/mk chassis and even a very common Series land rover to range rover swap.
it is understood that suplementary rules will be available for events but under the circumstance it seems abit difficult to exept the possability of these as a gurantee to the future of mine and other peoples eligability.

The ruling in question would be a ruling siutable for the lower trophy class ..

Was this an oversight during the drafting process, which i also relise is still in affect , Or does the CCDA Remain firm on this ruling ?

Larry.

[Dozoor]

Well --- since posting this there has been 100 views of this thread and not one reply --

yours Truly.
I.M Mushroom.
2b indark pl
Underhouse.
Ozstrala. 8141.

[Midget]

Yeah i would also like to find out about that ruling.Can someone please explain it...
As dozzor said that ruling would suit the lower classes,but effectivley that rule is cutting pretty much everyone with a seriously modified rig that is purpose built for competiton,Basically anyone with a ute conversion and custom bar work front.
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE CONFIRM THESE?????


Jamie

[65Mog]

I think these rules are there if event organisers want to use them, if they don't suit your event you can submit your own rules, but they have to be approved by the CCDA to be covered by their insurance.

[okz00k]

TSL you got it in one.

What CCDA have produced to date is only the starting point. At this stage in NSW, Woodpecker, Willowglen and TuffTruck organisers have committed to running their events under CCDA guidelines. The Willowglen Challenge will use the vehicle classifications as they stand, whilst TuffTruck will certainly have their own variation - probably more closely aligned to Dave Metclalfe's classifications for his Xtreme winch evnets.

I am sure that over time we will see an evolution of both the events and the national rules/safety guidelines. To enable this evolution, I believe that we must all band together and push it forward - CCDA is the best option that we have to do it. It is the only National body trying to address all our 4WD MotorSport issues.

So join CCDA, get your login to http://CCDA.4wd.org.au and get your voice heard by your CCDA delegates.

[Dozoor]

GOOD answer- BUT not to my question a little more on the SPECIFIC RULE THAT HAS JUST TAKEN ONE COMP (willoglen) FROM THE ABOVE MENTIONED VEHICLES AND THREATENS OTHERS.

As you can see your not changing our class, you are removing us from COMPS

[Britswed]

Doozor i think what CCDA is trying to do is accmodate ALL,the rules as they stand are basic rules If for example you are running a buggy/rail/chopped car you will pretty much be running in the sort of comp for you anyway/rock crawling/Winch Challenge/Tuff truck.The rules will accomadate you ALL to the Comps you are entered in(if this makes scence)

CCDA is in its very growing stage as i see it,but"it will grow" so i recomn be prepared for better insurance & more comps especially in NSW so pay
your $20 and have faith CCDA its the way i recon

Cheers Mal

[okz00k]

Larry, at least you now know what the classification rules for one of this year's events is already. So if you wish, you can start preparing the original DOOZOR for that one. Keep working on the RAZUK in preparation for Dave Metcalfe's XWCC series. TuffTruck will probably be the same as that - the category rules for that event will be announced this May for next May's comp.

[Midget]

I'm trying to stir anything up,But what alot of are saying is that we have or are building rigs that these rules are excluding from comps so far,And you are saying just keep building them in anticipation that the rules may change and allow us to enter.
What if they don't,we have spent a heap of money,time and effort to build these rigs,for what,to look good parked in our yards never to be driven for what they are intended for.Sorry but i don't think so....

Just my opinion

J

[uqunder10s]

What if they don't,we have spent a heap of money,time and effort to build these rigs,for what,to look good parked in our yards never to be driven for what they are intended for.Sorry but i don't think so....

No, you would've spent $20 supporting an orgnisation that is trying to promote and develop 4WD motorsport and in the end didn't cater to you and you'd just have to enter non CCDA events.

Haven't supplementary rules been accepted for OBC and Dave's Extreme Winch Challenge? Why must the assumption be that further supplementary rules for comps to suit your rig will not be approved when they are submitted?

[Dozoor]

3.4.13 CHASSIS
The original chassis for that make of vehicle shall be used

Is the above rule an oversight or is the ccda firm on this rule.


If the answer is ccda is firm then i see no reason why i should support the ccda. Until a time when they can provide a base line set of rules for there Challenge class ,That dosn't exclude approved vehicle modifications.

Mal , I relise the this is in a draft stage , and it has allready taken entry to willoglen away from the poeple who own these vehicles.

The dimise of the previous attempt to begin an association was let down by poeple wanting there vehicle mods to fit into the lower class's .
We ,If i may speak for these people, just want the ability to actually compete within the current competitions available and within the top class is this such difficult thing to achieve .
Poeple who compete whithin this class are spending a great deal of time
creating there desired combination of bits , If we hav't got a working draft we can use then , The orginisation will be stunting the growth of there own sport .

Jamie , Your not stiring There are some things that need to be aired and this is definatlely one of them,
Everybodys input is Gold , I don't want to harm or harrass the ccda ,
Im just trying to get a more amacable deal for the the guys that do alot of fabricating and pay to keep the engineers kids in college
All that is needed is for the rule to be ammended or A fixed suplementary rule to be attached That we can biuld to and know we will be eligable when the scutineer has a geez.

Larry

[Midget]

What if they don't,we have spent a heap of money,time and effort to build these rigs,for what,to look good parked in our yards never to be driven for what they are intended for.Sorry but i don't think so....

No, you would've spent $20 supporting an orgnisation that is trying to promote and develop 4WD motorsport and in the end didn't cater to you and you'd just have to enter non CCDA events.

Haven't supplementary rules been accepted for OBC and Dave's Extreme Winch Challenge? Why must the assumption be that further supplementary rules for comps to suit your rig will not be approved when they are submitted?

I have to dis-agree here,I have'nt spent the $20 yet and to be honest i'm not quite sure i will.
And yes we would of spent a bucket load of money on our rigs and then to find out that they don't comply.I'm sorry but that is really going to piss so many people off and send them well away from the sport...
I agree completely that we need to make the sport safer,but to make some of the rules that are there,seriously it's going to turn people away from the sport.
NOT EVERYONE HAS A BOTTOMLESS BANK ACCOUNT TO KEEP CHANGING THERE RIG....


Jamie

[okz00k]

Well Jamie, if what is there now does not suit you then you know how to change it - Pay your $20 join the CCDA and have your say.

The way I see it, with one standard, national set of vehicle classifications I know exactly how to build my next car to suit the events I want to compete in.

CCDA is also working on additional classification that go beyond the four listed so far - they are holding off until the insurance is sorted. If they are not in place in time, we will have supplementary rules allowing chassis-body missmatch.

[Dozoor]

Well Jamie, if what is there now does not suit you then you know how to change it - Pay your $20 join the CCDA and have your say.

The way I see it, with one standard, national set of vehicle classifications I know exactly how to build my next car to suit the events I want to compete in.

CCDA is also working on additional classification that go beyond the four listed so far - they are holding off until the insurance is sorted. If they are not in place in time, we will have supplementary rules allowing chassis-body missmatch.

Det.
This is similar to what i would like to see added to the basic rules.
So poeple can biuld Off the rules and don't have to wiat for each event for supplementry rules,
So Seems as the only direction will be to join and have a say .


Larry.

Ps(I still think I shouldn't need to join to change the rules to exept These concepts) You could say they have us by the curlys .

[XTREME MMM]

All I can say is to build your vehicles for the event or events you want to do. I see the event rules overiding anyothers that may be in place, so check out the events that you want to compete in & build to suit.


Regards David