tranny drama

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed May 26, 2004 10:51 am

hey fellas.... trying to get the tranny and engine to mate in my roza... having a hell of a time as well... looking at the truck, i can get the bolts on the top right, right side, and bottom right all bolted in. but then on the left side i have roughly a 1 inch gap and i cant close it! it just wont slide in there easily. not sure what i'm doing wrong. i know the splines are lined up because when i put the truck in gear, i cant turn the crank, but when its not in gear, i'm able to turn the crank... tried jacking up the tranny (still hooked to the mounts). i'm going to attempt to unhook the tranny completely and see if i can slide it around a bit. what do you guys reckon? any ideas???

Post by **TUFFRANGIE** » Wed May 26, 2004 1:24 pm

I didn't think tranny's liked engines-good luck in mating them :lol:

Sorry that I am not of any help but couldn't let the opportunity pass

Post by **bazzle** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:12 pm

Ensure clutch centered also. Its not sldiing in on splines full. You will have to grease them up and try again. keep everything in line as much as possible.

Bazzle
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Post by **greg** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:27 pm

bazzle wrote:Ensure clutch centered also. Its not sldiing in on splines full. You will have to grease them up and try again. keep everything in line as much as possible.

Bazzle
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I'm thinking the same thing. Clutch out of place - did you use a clutch alignment type tool to install it?

Other thing - was there an adaptor plate that went there that you have left off? Or is there some pins (i.e. steel plugs that go into the holes) that you have out of place.

Have you put the (insert correct name here) thrust bearing in facing the right way? i think on my gearbox it could be put on backwards - this would mean that you would be about 1" out...

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:29 pm

i left tranny in there... took engine out and swapped over new block. all i did was change over the fly wheel and clutch disc. was told i didnt need any tool.. so i just bolted it all in there and still wont fit.... :bad-words:

what would the clutch alignment tool do? isnt that for the tranny?

Post by **greg** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:35 pm

SimplyPV wrote:i left tranny in there... took engine out and swapped over new block. all i did was change over the fly wheel and clutch disc. was told i didnt need any tool.. so i just bolted it all in there and still wont fit.... what would the clutch alignment tool do? isnt that for the tranny?

The clutch bolts to the fly wheel right? i.e. when you remove the transmission - the clutch stays on the engine.

The clutch alignment tool is basically the same as the input shaft on the gearbox - it makes sure you have put the clutch in exactly the right spot when you bolt it onto the flywheel.

If you have a spare gearbox that is crap - rip it open and use the input shaft as the tool.

Check that bearing hasn't moved on the gearbox.

So the fly wheel is the original one that you know will fit inside the bell housing of the gearbox?

Post by **greg** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:38 pm

The bearing i was referring to is called a throwout bearing (i just checked). It sits inside the bellhousing of the gearbox and surrounds the input shaft.

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:38 pm

thats correct. clutch is attached to flywheel.... no spare gearbox so i guess i will have to look into borrowing a clutch alignment tool. think thats what the problem is? wouldnt sliding the shaft into the flywheel force the clutch to line up? atleast that is what i thought. as for the bearing... how would the bearing on the tranny move? sorry for all the ???? this is my first time doing an engine swap so i'm learnin as i go.

Post by **greg** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:52 pm

SimplyPV wrote:thats correct. clutch is attached to flywheel.... no spare gearbox so i guess i will have to look into borrowing a clutch alignment tool. think thats what the problem is? wouldnt sliding the shaft into the flywheel force the clutch to line up? atleast that is what i thought. as for the bearing... how would the bearing on the tranny move? sorry for all the ???? this is my first time doing an engine swap so i'm learnin as i go.

If the engine is out of the way - you'll be able to see inside the bell housing.

There will be the input shaft. And around that will sit the bearing.

When you pull on the clutch lever that protrudes from the gearbox, you will be able to release the bearing and move it around etc.

(note: different clutches may have a different sized bearing to be used, this is why some clutch kits will come with a new bearing etc).

So, ensure that the bearing in it it's correctly position, and hasn't shifted when you have touched the clutch lever or clutch pedal while the gearbox has been out of the car.

Hint - matching these two items together is often easier when they are not in the car.

Yep, go get a clutch alignment tool. That could solve your problems i guess. The going price seems to be $3.95 US from Spidertrax or Petroworx for a samurai one - so i reckon the one for your car shouldn't be too much more.

The tool makes sure you have gotten all the spines in the right spot i think.

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed May 26, 2004 2:58 pm

SimplyPV wrote:hey fellas.... trying to get the tranny and engine to mate in my roza... having a hell of a time as well... looking at the truck, i can get the bolts on the top right, right side, and bottom right all bolted in. but then on the left side i have roughly a 1 inch gap and i cant close it! it just wont slide in there easily. not sure what i'm doing wrong. i know the splines are lined up because when i put the truck in gear, i cant turn the crank, but when its not in gear, i'm able to turn the crank... tried jacking up the tranny (still hooked to the mounts). i'm going to attempt to unhook the tranny completely and see if i can slide it around a bit. what do you guys reckon? any ideas???

just do them up tight and the gap will close by itself, if you can get most of the bolts in and started then your clutch is in the right spot and you need bigger muscles.

tighten that bastard up (careful not to strip the alloy bellhousing)

then the gap will close itself, the clutch sounds like its aligned fine by what you are saying.

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed May 26, 2004 3:02 pm

bolts are getting pretty diff. to turn and i have a rep for stripping/breaking nuts/bolts so i'm trying to be careful here.... i have one last bolt to go but wont line up.. yet every other bolt is.. an engine bracket... spose i'll have to bend it a bit.. not sure how but looks like thats what its gonna take.... so i shouldnt take it all apart and try again then?

Post by **J Top** » Wed May 26, 2004 4:41 pm

You will break something if it is not aligned correctly!!!!!
Pull it out and check it properly.An ounce of prevention is worth a ton of cure.
The gearbox can enter the splines without engageing the spigot bearing which is the small bearing { or bush } in the back of your crankshaft.
If this is a reco engine the spigot bearing needs to be renewed because when they clean the crank they wash the grease out of the sealed bearing
A universal cluth aligning tool will be cheap compared to a bellhousing or a broken block.
J Top

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed May 26, 2004 4:46 pm

SimplyPV wrote:bolts are getting pretty diff. to turn and i have a rep for stripping/breaking nuts/bolts so i'm trying to be careful here.... i have one last bolt to go but wont line up.. yet every other bolt is.. an engine bracket... spose i'll have to bend it a bit.. not sure how but looks like thats what its gonna take.... so i shouldnt take it all apart and try again then?

same has happened to me, just get a big bar, or breaker bar and reef on it, overbend it, then hammer it back to the right spot,

when you do the nuts up, do one tightish, then go round in a circle and start again.

if the engine bracket won't line up, can you loosen the bolts off on the other end of it and that may help, otherwise in there with a bar or hammer like i said, get rough with it.

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed May 26, 2004 4:53 pm

make sure the motor doesnt fall on you, damn, that would suck.

BAH, my years of experience in breaking chit and bootie fabbing, I know exactly when a bolt is gunna strip, and then I just go another half a turn :lol:

bending brackets into place, bend....bend, just a little more...SNAP!

But seriously, fawk pullin that bastard back out.... its pretty hard to get it wrong, so dont panic!

Post by **droopypete** » Wed May 26, 2004 4:54 pm

Any chance you also own a Honda with NO2 injected into the fuel tank?

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=19539

Peter.

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed May 26, 2004 5:07 pm

jtop the engine hasnt been rebuilt.. its been shipped overseas as is and i just simply swapped over parts and now attempting to install it...damn i'm so afraid of breaking it.... will try to line up the other bracket.. if it doesnt go well i'm taking it out and looking again... it looked ok to me earlier this afternoon when i attempted yet again to get it all lined up. how do i tell if the bearing needs to be regreased?

Post by **SimplyPV** » Wed May 26, 2004 5:29 pm

btw what the hell is a spigot bearing? never even heard of it nor have any of my buddies..... what am i missing here?

Post by **droopypete** » Wed May 26, 2004 7:15 pm

SimplyPV wrote:btw what the hell is a spigot bearing? never even heard of it nor have any of my buddies..... what am i missing here?

Sometimes called a pilot bearing (it may be an Aussie/USA, termanology thing)
seriously mate, I think you should seek some professional help here, the satisfaction of doing something your self is one thing, but stuffing up some perfectly good parts, and then seeking professional help to make it all right again, is not only embarrassing but expensive as well.
Peter.

Post by **Tony78rr** » Wed May 26, 2004 8:20 pm

Dont know about your car but some makes have different sizes of sprigit bearing for different input shafts (rover from memory do????)
Maybe the sprigot bearing in you new motor is to small for your gearbox input shaft.

Just a thought and good luck.

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu May 27, 2004 10:42 am

keep pushing on it champ, she'll go!!!

Post by **SimplyPV** » Thu May 27, 2004 11:55 am

droopy... i would have taken it to a mech. the first time around but the problem is i have no money!!!! i'm poor white college trash! lol.. i had to borrow money for the freakin engine! thus my situation. not like i had a choice but to attempt it myself..... :cry:

Post by **greg** » Thu May 27, 2004 12:36 pm

bj on roids wrote:keep pushing on it champ, she'll go!!!

hahaha - you're a funny girl bj... keep up the good work.

Post by **spazbot** » Thu May 27, 2004 12:39 pm

what engine and gear box are you trying to make, you sure they meant to fit together ????
is the engine the same as your old one ?

Post by **SimplyPV** » Fri May 28, 2004 5:36 am

great news people...i got it in! a friend gave me an idea of jacking the back tire up and spinning it. allowing me to move the splines a bit and it loosened up the bolts and enabled me to get it to slide in. did this a few times and bam..... thx for your help fellas. now i just got toget everything hooked up this weekend...

Post by **bj on roids** » Fri May 28, 2004 7:41 am

SimplyPV wrote:great news people...i got it in! a friend gave me an idea of jacking the back tire up and spinning it. allowing me to move the splines a bit and it loosened up the bolts and enabled me to get it to slide in. did this a few times and bam..... thx for your help fellas. now i just got toget everything hooked up this weekend...

told ya not to pull it out!! :cool:

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