Lockers...

Post by **huck** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:31 pm

Welded mine on saturday then went out for the rest of the weekend had a ball even when I did put the little red monster on its side

Post by **bazooked** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:25 pm

i reckon do it right the first time and go the arbs you will neva go back!!!!!

Post by **bigsteve** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:24 pm

muppet_man67 wrote:
bigsteve wrote:
muppet_man67 wrote:what are you tight? thought you were getting the locker on the cheap? (I guess you gotta make back money from your give aways somewhere. so far your donations to my car are much appreciated. exept by small trees and parked cars)

It was a joke Sam,

The $1300 would pay for my air locker

yea as I said I thought you were gonna get the air locker cheaper then $1300 because your using a different air compressor? (sorry insert sarcasm into previous post. )

I'm getting it for $1300 minus whatever the compressor is.

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:54 am

huntn wrote:Big Steve I've been told the suzi diff is not very strong once welded, and plus dont want to chew up my tyres.

We have quite a few people in the club with welded diffs and haven't had any that have been done properly break. Tyre size ranges from 30s to 34" Swampers with avariety of gearing options. As to chewing up your tyres don't worry it is a Suzuki. With the light weoght and low power you won't have to worry about that. If you had a much heavier car with more power then it would be a problem.

The problem with getting advice for Suzukis from other people who don't own them is that most info is just not applicable. Suzukis have their own set of rules.

Post by **Mczook** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:05 pm

G'day huntn

I run dual detroits in my zook and handling is fine, we also have run welded diffs in our buggie zook and found that we didnt like the handling, it was a dramatic difference as it actually became possible to steer the 46s in the direction we wanted.

Airlockers are great but not budget friendly but for $1,198 you can get dual EZ detroits or Quick Loks from us. Another option is to run a truetrac limo in the front and when funds allow and once testing is finalise buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

Have a chat to Matt (M&M Custom Engineering) as he has run every possible setup and never holds back in saying what is shit and what is not.

Cheers

Post by **bigsteve** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:13 pm

redzook wrote:
bigsteve wrote:
moose wrote:
bigsteve wrote:P.s. Just weld the rear, you won't look back after that.

only if its a TOY !!!
if it,s ya Daily Driver , LOOK OUT !!!!

Mine old zook was daily driven and so is my new one.

Just fit bigger tyres, you can hardly feel the welded rear on road

dosent it just chew threw the swampers? or u mean u only drive it around the block daily?

I only run the swampers at 15PSI on road so they tend to flex/twist rather than skip

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:24 pm

Mczook wrote:buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

keep us all up to date on this one. How complicated is the installation? Is it all custom or is it off the shelf componentry adapted for this application?

Post by **-Mick-** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:33 pm

grimbo wrote:
Mczook wrote:buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

keep us all up to date on this one. How complicated is the installation? Is it all custom or is it off the shelf componentry adapted for this application?

Yes very interesting :idea:

Post by **redzook** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:14 pm

Mczook wrote:G'day huntn

I run dual detroits in my zook and handling is fine, we also have run welded diffs in our buggie zook and found that we didnt like the handling, it was a dramatic difference as it actually became possible to steer the 46s in the direction we wanted.

Airlockers are great but not budget friendly but for $1,198 you can get dual EZ detroits or Quick Loks from us. Another option is to run a truetrac limo in the front and when funds allow and once testing is finalise buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

Have a chat to Matt (M&M Custom Engineering) as he has run every possible setup and never holds back in saying what is shit and what is not.

Cheers

do you work for M&M?

how is it more CV friendly then a airlocker?

Post by **droopypete** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:31 pm

redzook wrote:
do you work for M&M?

I was thinking the same thing redzook, 2 posts in the one tread and he is trying to sell us someting in both of them

Peter.

Post by **droopypete** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:48 pm

huntn, I ran a welded rear in my 1.6 zook for about 2 years as a daily driver, no problem!
I now have twin air lockers and think it is ideal, if you can afford it, go the twin ARB's, and if you can only afford one, put it in the front and weld the rear, and if you dont want to weld a rear and cant afford an air locker, wait untill you can afford one.
Peter.

Post by **DeWsE** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:09 pm

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Post by **Mczook** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:05 pm

keep us all up to date on this one. How complicated is the installation? Is it all custom or is it off the shelf componentry adapted for this application?

At the moment it is in development , but the concept and the simplicity of it been able to be adaptered to any disc setup is cool. Several things are cool about it but at the end of the day and once in production it will be inexpensive to buy fit and fit.

Won't go through all the benifits yet as our own testing has not yet been fully finished.

Nonetheless stay tuned!

Post by **redzook** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:15 pm

redzook wrote:
Mczook wrote:G'day huntn

I run dual detroits in my zook and handling is fine, we also have run welded diffs in our buggie zook and found that we didnt like the handling, it was a dramatic difference as it actually became possible to steer the 46s in the direction we wanted.

Airlockers are great but not budget friendly but for $1,198 you can get dual EZ detroits or Quick Loks from us. Another option is to run a truetrac limo in the front and when funds allow and once testing is finalise buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

Have a chat to Matt (M&M Custom Engineering) as he has run every possible setup and never holds back in saying what is shit and what is not.

Cheers

do you work for M&M?

how is it more CV friendly then a airlocker?

Post by **xtreem** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:39 pm

Mczook wrote:G'day huntn

I run dual detroits in my zook and handling is fine, we also have run welded diffs in our buggie zook and found that we didnt like the handling, it was a dramatic difference as it actually became possible to steer the 46s in the direction we wanted.

Airlockers are great but not budget friendly but for $1,198 you can get dual EZ detroits or Quick Loks from us. Another option is to run a truetrac limo in the front and when funds allow and once testing is finalise buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

Have a chat to Matt (M&M Custom Engineering) as he has run every possible setup and never holds back in saying what is shit and what is not.

Cheers

Am I right to think you are talking about a Haltec traction control system? Or is haultec something else??

If you are talking Haltec? I cant see how it could compare favourable with the price of a airlocker? As a Haltec on its own is worth much more than a Airlocker and then you need Lamba options and speed sensors mounted on all four wheels

Plus it will either have to cut engine power to stop the spinning wheel or apply brake to the spinning wheel which doesn't seem to be the optimal ways of increasing traction to me. It seems more like stopping wheel spin, not increasing traction?

Traction control is great in a road/race car but I cant see it as being a success off road.

Maybe I am wrong. Look forward to your conclusion after testing.

Post by **moose** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:51 am

Haultech traction control

think? it,s by StrangeRover !! :?:

its on the Mog Rover & a few other Qld crawlers !!!

Post by **antt** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:43 am

moose wrote:Haultech traction control

think? it,s by StrangeRover !!

its on the Mog Rover & a few other Qld crawlers !!!

thats what i think hes talking about. and the haultech traction control works good, have a look at sams buggy.....no lockers at all, and it managed to win xrcc on its debut, and got 2nd at the last round

Post by **grimbo** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:11 am

moose wrote:Haultech traction control

think? it,s by StrangeRover !!

its on the Mog Rover & a few other Qld crawlers !!!

i realise that is what it is, just interested in its application in a Zuk and how much work is invlved in putting it onto a Zuk

Post by **DeWsE** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:59 am

redzook wrote:
redzook wrote:
Mczook wrote:G'day huntn

I run dual detroits in my zook and handling is fine, we also have run welded diffs in our buggie zook and found that we didnt like the handling, it was a dramatic difference as it actually became possible to steer the 46s in the direction we wanted.

Airlockers are great but not budget friendly but for $1,198 you can get dual EZ detroits or Quick Loks from us. Another option is to run a truetrac limo in the front and when funds allow and once testing is finalise buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

Have a chat to Matt (M&M Custom Engineering) as he has run every possible setup and never holds back in saying what is shit and what is not.

Cheers

do you work for M&M?

how is it more CV friendly then a airlocker?

Search newbies

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Post by **redzook** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:56 pm

DeWsE wrote:
redzook wrote:
redzook wrote:
Mczook wrote:G'day huntn

I run dual detroits in my zook and handling is fine, we also have run welded diffs in our buggie zook and found that we didnt like the handling, it was a dramatic difference as it actually became possible to steer the 46s in the direction we wanted.

Airlockers are great but not budget friendly but for $1,198 you can get dual EZ detroits or Quick Loks from us. Another option is to run a truetrac limo in the front and when funds allow and once testing is finalise buy the Haultech traction control. We are testing this set up in our winch challenge zook and will be happy to let you know how they went after the next XWCC on the 25th of June. This setup will also be birfield friendly which no full locker is.

Have a chat to Matt (M&M Custom Engineering) as he has run every possible setup and never holds back in saying what is shit and what is not.

Cheers

do you work for M&M?

how is it more CV friendly then a airlocker?

Search newbies

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... highlight=

can u find in that thread u posted
if he works for M&M? i couldnt! and it has stuff all to do with traction control :roll:

Post by **xtreem** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:48 pm

OK its something different to what I was thinking about. I will have to have a study :lol:

Post by **Toj0** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:00 am

I'm running Air locker rear and welded front as the Coily's got a high pinion front. Are there any other options for the front of a Coily aside from diff swap? $$$?

Post by **grimbo** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:06 am

Toj0 wrote:I'm running Air locker rear and welded front as the Coily's got a high pinion front. Are there any other options for the front of a Coily aside from diff swap? $$$?

Talk to Sam at Overkill as it is possible to put a front ARB in with a small machined spacer. A guy in our club is in the process of getting some $$ together to do this

Post by **xtreem** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:28 pm

grimbo wrote:
Toj0 wrote:I'm running Air locker rear and welded front as the Coily's got a high pinion front. Are there any other options for the front of a Coily aside from diff swap? $$$?

Talk to Sam at Overkill as it is possible to put a front ARB in with a small machined spacer. A guy in our club is in the process of getting some $$ together to do this

It is actually a Jimni front unit that can be made to fit.

Post by **grimbo** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:39 pm

xtreem wrote:
grimbo wrote:
Toj0 wrote:I'm running Air locker rear and welded front as the Coily's got a high pinion front. Are there any other options for the front of a Coily aside from diff swap? $$$?

Talk to Sam at Overkill as it is possible to put a front ARB in with a small machined spacer. A guy in our club is in the process of getting some $$ together to do this

It is actually a Jimni front unit that can be made to fit.

no its a small spacer machined so the Sierra part fits. Well that is what he has been told from ARB

Post by **nelligen** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:52 pm

Toj0 wrote:I'm running Air locker rear and welded front as the Coily's got a high pinion front. Are there any other options for the front of a Coily aside from diff swap? $$$?

arb RD 87 high pinion (jimny) is the locker that Sam from overkill fits to the coily.

Post by **xtreem** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:17 pm

Well I have been told its the jimny unit with the machining needed.

Post by **muppet_man67** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:59 pm

Ive heard that coilly front diffs and axels arnt really strong enough to run lockers? from some guy somewhere :roll:

Post by **droopypete** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:49 pm

muppet_man67 wrote:Ive heard that coilly front diffs and axels arnt really strong enough to run lockers? from some guy somewhere

Yes, I heard the same thing, I was told they were the same size axles as 1Liter Sierra's

.
Peter.

Post by **Damo** » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:59 pm

droopypete wrote:
muppet_man67 wrote:Ive heard that coilly front diffs and axels arnt really strong enough to run lockers? from some guy somewhere

Yes, I heard the same thing, I was told they were the same size axles as 1Liter Sierra's .
Peter.

And now it's on the Internet so it MUST be true :finger:

Why dont we try comparing spline counts and shaft sizes etc?

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