Battle of the Codes

[Strange Rover]

Battle of the Codes


Tough Trucks -vs- Winch Challenge Trucks -vs- Rock Buggies -vs- All Terrain rigs



Date: 22,23 January 2005

Location: Rover Park (near Tenterfield NSW)

http://www.roverpark.com/

Day trippers $30 (per vehicle)
Campers $40 (per day - per vehicle) Weekend $80

Other accomodation - contact the Park 02 67376862



Format: This event is being run by Rover Park. The concept is to have 5 or 6 vehicles from each codes and have these vehicles all compete over courses and rules from the main three different styles of competition.



The idea is to set the courses with input from each of the three codes so that all courses are possible to be completed by all vehicle types. For example in the rock crawling section we don’t wont sever off camber sections that the Winch Challenge rigs wont negotiate or very tight and narrow sections that the tough trucks wont fit. Similarly the Winch challenge courses must be made so that the tough trucks can actually fit on the course and also we don’t want severe water crossings that will drown the rock buggys. Same again for the tough truck all terrain course, we don’t want to drown the rock buggys in deep mud or to tear the roofs and door panels off the winch challenge guys.



The plan is to design courses that highlights the attritubtes of the rigs that are supposed to run that style of course while still enable the other styles of rigs to complete the course without excessive difficulty. We want this to be a fun and entertaining competition that explores the differences between the three styles of competition rigs.



So the courses set will be:

- Tough Truck all terrain style courses (similar to Tuff Truck or the Woodpecker Challenge)

- Winch Challenge courses (something that involves a high speed section, all terrain section and winching section)

- Rock Crawling courses (similar to Put Up or Shut Up or XRCC)



On each of the two days the vehicles will compete in courses from all deciplines. Individual winners and place getters of each discipline will be determined and awarded points based on the placing achieved. The overall winner and place getters will be found from the total of these points.



Entry fee will be $150 each and this collected money will be payed back in prize money for each of the three code winners and then 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the overall combined results.



For example if we have 18 entries then total prize pool will be $2700. Individual code winners will receive $400 each and overall place getters will receive $700, $500, $300 for 1st, 2nd, 3rd respectively. the more entries there are the more prize money there will be. We really want to limit the entries to about 24 in total.



Sam

[Strange Rover]

A few of us guys went down to Rover Park this last weekend (Myself, Tony, Peter Antunac, Matt Dunk) to get some idea of where the courses are going to be. This event will be based on the same area as where Put Up or Shut Up was run.

The winch challenge sections both start and finish in the main competition area and they have higher speed sections that takes the rigs away from the main competition area.

The all terrain sections are really only testing vehicle capability and on both courses have a few ledges and one main climb. There arnt any severe off camber sections to these courses and there are winching points on all major obstacles.

The rock crawling courses are similar to the all terrain except the main emphasis will be on vehicle manouverability and being able to accurately place a vehicle on an obstacle to as to not hit a cone (as opposed to the all terrain where you just drive the obstacle where ever you can). The cones wont necessarily be tight although they will be placed on the obstacle to force you to drive a slightly harder line than the easiest possible way through. Again there arnt any sevear off camber sections on the courses although on the final obstacle there will be an optional sevear off camber bonus line.

We have designed the courses so that a fullbodied rig with some lift and body protection (sliders and front and rear bars) and a winch would be able to complete all the courses and without any body damage if driven carefully. All the courses are very open and clean - there arnt any tight spots where people are going to be dragging doors and guards along rocks and trees.

Sam

[1MadEngineer]

A few of us guys went down to Rover Park this last weekend (Myself, Tony, Peter Antunac, Matt Dunk) to get some idea of where the courses are going to be. This event will be based on the same area as where Put Up or Shut Up was run.

The winch challenge sections both start and finish in the main competition area and they have higher speed sections that takes the rigs away from the main competition area.

The all terrain sections are really only testing vehicle capability and on both courses have a few ledges and one main climb. There arnt any severe off camber sections to these courses and there are winching points on all major obstacles.

The rock crawling courses are similar to the all terrain except the main emphasis will be on vehicle manouverability and being able to accurately place a vehicle on an obstacle to as to not hit a cone (as opposed to the all terrain where you just drive the obstacle where ever you can). The cones wont necessarily be tight although they will be placed on the obstacle to force you to drive a slightly harder line than the easiest possible way through. Again there arnt any sevear off camber sections on the courses although on the final obstacle there will be an optional sevear off camber bonus line.

We have designed the courses so that a fullbodied rig with some lift and body protection (sliders and front and rear bars) and a winch would be able to complete all the courses and without any body damage if driven carefully. All the courses are very open and clean - there arnt any tight spots where people are going to be dragging doors and guards along rocks and trees.

Sam

come on sam - are you going soft on us.
we want heaps of off camber stuff lots of roll overs we arent scared, BB and i know how to change cabs

Please dont make it too soft, i want to see the buggies actually tested for a change. If no one else can drive it then its up to their discression to not drive that stage, or take out the cone to get a safer line.

[83 lux]

Sam, who are in the teams.

[bogged]

lots of roll overs

Why do people get an erection over people rolling over and fucking their truck?

Please dont make it too soft, i want to see the buggies actually tested for a change. If no one else can drive it then its up to their discression to not drive that stage, or take out the cone to get a safer line.

agree with challenging, but does that mean people have to destroy their investment (not talkin about buggys)

[antt]

i agree bogged, for people who were at the outerlimits weekend, imagine the carnage a gq wagon would sustain if it rolled from the spot that adrian did. there'd be no glass left in it and the whole body would be a right-off.

it wont be the hardest rock event in aus, and it wont be the most extreme winch event in aus either. hopefully the courses will showcase each classes strengths and weaknesses and the best driver and rig will come out on top.

having said that i still put my money on a buggy winning seeing as they're a no-comprimise offroad vehicle

[striped tomato]

having said that i still put my money on a buggy winning seeing as they're a no-comprimise offroad vehicle

If we're talking potential winners I've got one thing to say: beebee

[crow]

we want heaps of off camber stuff lots of roll overs we arent scared, BB and i know how to change cabs

Please dont make it too soft, i want to see the buggies actually tested for a change. If no one else can drive it then its up to their discression to not drive that stage, or take out the cone to get a safer line.

i agree!

All entrants are extreme vehicles aren't they? Shouldn't they be able to handle a hard competition pushing each vehicle to the edge of it's capabilities?

[Marshy]

I don't think I'd be betting everything on a buggy. I'm not denying they are very capable vehicles, but I've seen some of the winch challenge and short course guys drive some awesome sh*t, that would rival the buggy scene. It ultimately comes down to the driver/nav combo I think, look at Dave (beebee) and Greg (1MadEngineer). A vehicle that doesn't have half the extreme mods that a buggy does, and they just keep excelling in every comp they do. Then you have the winch challenge guys like Doddsy, Kym, Trent, Birdy, Rod Reardon, Al Tierney, Pete Stirling. All guys that will give it a real balls-out attempt before pulling the cable. I'm not taking any one side in this war of the sports disciplines, because I believe the team that wins it, will thoroughly deserve it. I'm just saying that my personal belief is, that a buggy is a purpose built machine designed for rocks. While they would still perform well on other surfaces, it may not necassarily mean they are the best "all-round" truck.

I think this format would run well as a series. Like, round 1 could be run on XRCC format, running all vehicles. Round 2 run on XWC format running all vehicles, and round 3 run on ASCC format running all vehicles.

Dunno, just an idea. But, in the meantime, looking forward to this one.

[crow]

agree with challenging, but does that mean people have to destroy their investment (not talkin about buggys)

if the entrants have invested in vehicle protection which they should do for any 4x4 comps, instead of the 4 big chrome spotlights on the roof, there shouldn't be a problem

[1MadEngineer]

agree with challenging, but does that mean people have to destroy their investment (not talkin about buggys)

if the entrants have invested in vehicle protection which they should do for any 4x4 comps, instead of the 4 big chrome spotlights on the roof, there shouldn't be a problem

GOLD

I am not trying to induce rollovers, just trying to keep the levels of individual competitions consistent with the current formats. BB(dave) and i have all hell of a time trying to keep up with those damn Haultech buggys, and on many courses we sometimes have to sacrifice quite a few reverse and cone penalties in order to complete the courses, so i do not see why it should be any different for the "leading vehicles" in any or all classes to adapt to the conditions.

[Drafty]

I tend to think Sam is on the right track, a concern i had was the fact that buggies are built with COG in mind to minimise roll overs on extreme side angles where most winch challenge trucks and stockies compromise this. There has to be some softening of all the spesific stages or at the end of the comp there will be more writen off vehicles parked on the side than at a wrecking yard. Yes you will have a winner but at what expense. Wrecking your car at the end of the day is not going to attract competitors, especially not with the dollars we throw into them.

[Roctoy]

guys, i think Sam and Tony know what they are doing. It WILL be a good weekend that will cater for everyone.

Chris

[POS]

Greg, i can totally see your point. However this event is really just a Showcase!! (i am taking this one as a fun lead up to what is going to be a full on year for Rock Buggys and Rock comps).

In regards to showing off what a buggy can do, than that is really where W.E.Rock will come into it!

Lets just take this one as a bit of fun! (mind you i will be going pretty hard )

On another note, this event is not to start WARS between disciplines. In fact we hope it will bring everyone together for a GOOD time!

[Cheezy4x4]

Im heading up and cant wait too give it a go.

[Rainbow Warrior]

Battle of the Codes


Tough Trucks -vs- Winch Challenge Trucks -vs- Rock Buggies -vs- All Terrain rigs



Date: 22,23 January 2005

Location: Rover Park (near Tenterfield NSW)

http://www.roverpark.com/

Day trippers $30 (per vehicle)
Campers $40 (per day - per vehicle) Weekend $80

Other accomodation - contact the Park 02 67376862



Format: This event is being run by Rover Park. The concept is to have 5 or 6 vehicles from each codes and have these vehicles all compete over courses and rules from the main three different styles of competition.



The idea is to set the courses with input from each of the three codes so that all courses are possible to be completed by all vehicle types. For example in the rock crawling section we don’t wont sever off camber sections that the Winch Challenge rigs wont negotiate or very tight and narrow sections that the tough trucks wont fit. Similarly the Winch challenge courses must be made so that the tough trucks can actually fit on the course and also we don’t want severe water crossings that will drown the rock buggys. Same again for the tough truck all terrain course, we don’t want to drown the rock buggys in deep mud or to tear the roofs and door panels off the winch challenge guys.

3 Codes?- Where'd all terrain pigs go?

[Marshy]

On another note, this event is not to start WARS between disciplines. In fact we hope it will bring everyone together for a GOOD time!

Adrian, I think you may have taken my comments a little out of context. I didn't mean it as though it would be an actual 'war' between the disciplines. I used the term as a figure of speech. I think this concept is a great idea, and a great promotion for our sport in general. I was referring more to the friendly rivalry the exists between the different areas of our sports competition ranks. I think it's a similar rivalry that we have with rugby league/rugby union/AFL. All in good fun. Sorry for the confusion mate.

[Dog Tyred Racing]

I tend to think Sam is on the right track, a concern i had was the fact that buggies are built with COG in mind to minimise roll overs on extreme side angles where most winch challenge trucks and stockies compromise this. There has to be some softening of all the spesific stages or at the end of the comp there will be more writen off vehicles parked on the side than at a wrecking yard. Yes you will have a winner but at what expense. Wrecking your car at the end of the day is not going to attract competitors, especially not with the dollars we throw into them.

I couldn't agree more - if someone gave me the endless stream of money needed to go harder I would, believe me. I was extremely disappointed when I found out ASCC couldn't go on, but this idea sounds like a great alternative with a mix of everything. Thanks to everyone who is going to make it happen.

[Britswed]

mmm yes is what i meant to say yes too

Mal

[bogged]

I tend to think Sam is on the right track, a concern i had was the fact that buggies are built with COG in mind to minimise roll overs on extreme side angles where most winch challenge trucks and stockies compromise this. There has to be some softening of all the spesific stages or at the end of the comp there will be more writen off vehicles parked on the side than at a wrecking yard. Yes you will have a winner but at what expense. Wrecking your car at the end of the day is not going to attract competitors, especially not with the dollars we throw into them.

that pretty much sums up what I was getting at!

[oozuk]

I think me and the on track 4wd boyz (QLD) are gonna go down and watch

i hope they run thiss sort of format again in the future cos i'ed be keen to have a go when i have a car again