Jimmyb XJ no more.

[jimmyb]

Just for those that know me, had some bastard dob me in to qld trans and went in yesterday.

Some things that failed

- coil cpacers
- extended shackles
- no mod plate for rear seat removal
- no mod plate for cage
- long arm kit
- height

basically she is yellow slipped, deregistering on monday, sold everything off it already except for the rims and tyres which are for sale on here and back to stocker it goes.

Looks like i will be building the bugger sooner.

[basketcase]

That sucks Jimmy. Spose its good in a way. You get to build your buggy now

[antt]

that sucks jimmy......do you think it was a result of the magazine appearance???

[Timmy]

that sucks jimmy......do you think it was a result of the magazine appearance???

a few people have come up with that idea

[JK]

Sorry to hear that Jimmy. She was a nice bus.

[MereMale]

Very sorry to hear that this has happened.

Most prob someone who was JELOUSE, and they couldn't do it themselves.
Whether it be lack of money, or just can't do it.

Mere

[crokie83]

that farken sux

[N*A*M]

[jimmyb]

YEah not happy jan.......... guess now i will just have to return to stock, big bling alloys and a sticker on the back window "qld transport made me do it"

guess now all i have to do is sell my house and then i can start the buggy..... just real pain being forced to change your vehicle because someone out there doesnt like it.

[adam.s]

I dunno if it's that common within the 4x4 community, but I know for sure that the poe-leece read import/turbo forums & regularly knock on doors and say can we have a look at your car for illegal modifications, thanks.

It's not a bad thing really - after all the ADR's are there for a reason.

If your mods were legit, you could have just gotten the car engineered rather then stripping ?

[-Mick-]

I dunno if it's that common within the 4x4 community, but I know for sure that the poe-leece read import/turbo forums & regularly knock on doors and say can we have a look at your car for illegal modifications, thanks.

It's not a bad thing really - after all the ADR's are there for a reason.

If your mods were legit, you could have just gotten the car engineered rather then stripping ?

Yeah but build something FULLY legit in queensland and see how far you get The rules are deadset anal At least in NSW you have avenues to engineer reasonable modifications and so forth.

JimmyB really sorry to hear.... some people are outright low life scum huh

[jimmyb]

yeah mick is right on the engineering, i never did it and risked it, but when i was at the pits, they said well you can go and get such and such engineered but we still wont pass it.

[jimmyb]

oh so sad

[adam.s]

Obviously some stuff isn't engineerable, but most stuff is to a certain degree, and the stuff that isnt is probably better suited to a fully off road car anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love if the laws were as lax as nsw/vic/etc but they are there for a reason - to keep car's safe for everyone on the road.

[-Mick-]

Obviously some stuff isn't engineerable, but most stuff is to a certain degree, and the stuff that isnt is probably better suited to a fully off road car anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love if the laws were as lax as nsw/vic/etc but they are there for a reason - to keep car's safe for everyone on the road.

All I'm trying to say mate is that the laws are ridiculous in the main part. Jimmyb's cherokee was a fine machine but probably pretty wild for a road goer to some.

BUT my bloody suzuki on 31's is completely illegal and it still handles better than the old crappadore I used to drive Anyone who thinks my zuk is wild and potentially dangerous is a little bit special

A legitimately legal tyre size here for my suzuki is less than 29" or something stupid Slightly restrictive I feel.... but different strokes...

Maybe the laws surrounding actually getting a license should be made so freakin tough... but that's another story

[BIg StEvE]

A sad sad day

Bad luck, may come in handy as a tow rig

[adam.s]

It is true, there is unmodified car's on the road which are more dangerous then a "modified" fourbie.

And yes, I think it should be harder to get your drivers license, too many lunatics on our roads.

Obviously some stuff isn't engineerable, but most stuff is to a certain degree, and the stuff that isnt is probably better suited to a fully off road car anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love if the laws were as lax as nsw/vic/etc but they are there for a reason - to keep car's safe for everyone on the road.

All I'm trying to say mate is that the laws are ridiculous in the main part. Jimmyb's cherokee was a fine machine but probably pretty wild for a road goer to some.

BUT my bloody suzuki on 31's is completely illegal and it still handles better than the old crappadore I used to drive Anyone who thinks my zuk is wild and potentially dangerous is a little bit special

A legitimately legal tyre size here for my suzuki is less than 29" or something stupid Slightly restrictive I feel.... but different strokes...

Maybe the laws surrounding actually getting a license should be made so freakin tough... but that's another story

[Beastmavster]

Obviously some stuff isn't engineerable, but most stuff is to a certain degree, and the stuff that isnt is probably better suited to a fully off road car anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love if the laws were as lax as nsw/vic/etc but they are there for a reason - to keep car's safe for everyone on the road.

All I'm trying to say mate is that the laws are ridiculous in the main part. Jimmyb's cherokee was a fine machine but probably pretty wild for a road goer to some.

BUT my bloody suzuki on 31's is completely illegal and it still handles better than the old crappadore I used to drive Anyone who thinks my zuk is wild and potentially dangerous is a little bit special

A legitimately legal tyre size here for my suzuki is less than 29" or something stupid Slightly restrictive I feel.... but different strokes...

Maybe the laws surrounding actually getting a license should be made so freakin tough... but that's another story

Agreed. the rules here are a joke. 27" is actually illegally large on a Suzuki in QLD (max allowed is +15mm or 0.6".

Main reason I got rid of my vitara... one inspection and the car would be useless but for parts. Still handled and braked on the road better than the stock SWB Patrol did too..... so much for safety.


JimmyB thats really sad that some prick has dobbed you in. Awesome truck destroyed due to some bastards jealousy.

[Nev62]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love if the laws were as lax as nsw/vic/etc but they are there for a reason - to keep car's safe for everyone on the road.

Does that mean the 4bs in nsw/vic/etc are not as safe as those in old??? I don't think so. Have a look at the standard front chassis mounting points for leaf springs on a lux and then look at some of the ones that have been modded with 4mm or 5mm material! Most engineered stuff is way above what the manufactures do so the certifying dude has that warm fuzzy feeling about passing it. Fair enough if the certifying dude does a dogey and losses his/her licence (and rightly so) but you can't seriously say that only your local RTA knows what's best in all situations, after all this is a state government department run by suits, not engineers

[adam.s]

The 4by's in QLD are probably worse because we cannot engineer stuff like SOA.

But that's not the point - people modify their car's from the manufacturer's state, which is where it's been tested and passed the ADR's. The second you put bigger wheels on, you should look at fitting bigger brakes because it's no longer going to pull up like it used to.

When a car goes through engineering, they test absolutely everything to see that the modifications you have made havn't effected the car's ability to safely drive on the road. And yeah sure they might find that your car is fine, but how can they tell your modifications aren't hindering everyone elses safety on the road until it's tested?

Of course no one likes it, but for every person who goes out there and fits larger tyres to their 4x4, there is some nutcase who instead of buying new gearbox mounts, fashions his own from timber.

The government can't spend all day every day deciding if your own personal modifications are better/worse/safe/unsafe then what anyone else has done to their own car, so they have to draw the line somewhere. And that's why they have the ADR's.

Bottom line is, if you want to modify your car, get it engineered - if you don't want to do that, don't modify it. It's all fine and dandy to whinge that the government/cops/RTA are assholes, but at the end of the day they are only doing their job, and 9 times out of 10 they are doing it to keep the roads safer. The 1 time out of 10 that the cops actually pull someone up and give them a defect is usually because they are hoons and they just couldnt prove it at the time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love if the laws were as lax as nsw/vic/etc but they are there for a reason - to keep car's safe for everyone on the road.

Does that mean the 4bs in nsw/vic/etc are not as safe as those in old??? I don't think so. Have a look at the standard front chassis mounting points for leaf springs on a lux and then look at some of the ones that have been modded with 4mm or 5mm material! Most engineered stuff is way above what the manufactures do so the certifying dude has that warm fuzzy feeling about passing it. Fair enough if the certifying dude does a dogey and losses his/her licence (and rightly so) but you can't seriously say that only your local RTA knows what's best in all situations, after all this is a state government department run by suits, not engineers

[RN]

I agree with foad....I like seeing modified cars..all sorts ...but I have an issue with them mixing it with ordinary traffic. When I was growing up the dream was to have an EH, chromies, lowered and a loud exhaust. Lowered? why because it handles better, lower centre of gravity. Now that I have a Mav..I am interested in this type of rig. But raising it by a foot and fitting tractor tyres isn't going to make it handle.....These mods only make it go over rocks and ford streams, and very unsuitable for the tarmic..

I guess the fault lies with the evolution of the 4WD mods. They used to be mild with the emphasis on taking the owner to places where ordinary vehicles couldn't venture. Now the emphasis has shifted towards the ability to mimic mountain goats ie rock climbing.

This is where the ADR's and this sport now clash head on. I think heavily modded vehicles should be for off road use only.

..don't complain if the man states that your rig doesn't comply with the ADR's because they exist for the common good not for the exception.

RoadNazi

[high n mighty]

Any idea who dobbed you in????

[adam.s]

Problem is, he got it published in a magazine, anyone could have tipped them to it, or someone who worked for the RTA might have read it himself.

Generally it's not a great idea to publish your "unroadworthy" modifications on the internet either, because even though it might take a bit longer - someone does end up reading about them.

[Nev62]

This is where the ADR's and this sport now clash head on. I think heavily modded vehicles should be for off road use only.

..don't complain if the man states that your rig doesn't comply with the ADR's because they exist for the common good not for the exception.

RoadNazi

I agree with heavily modded vehicles for off road only or better still how about a special rego that speed limits them etc etc.

What I don't agree with, is each state having its own interpretation of ADR's. Dosen't ADR stand for Australian Design Rules and not queenslAnd Design Rules

[A12]

we should be able to get 'club' style registrarion like CAMS rally cars can get. They can have 6 point rollcage and other non-ADR compliant things as long as they pass a pink slip and have the relevant approvals from the managing body. They are also limited in what they can do, ie drive to and from club events, drive on club outings, drive to and from mechanics/repair shop and a limmited number of KM's per testing. And a log book needs to be kept as well.

Considering a lot of the really big rigs and not really roadworthy anyway and are trailered to events, and the event organisers require registration for insurance purposes, perhaps the CCDA will eventually go down this path. We can only hope and help.

Regards


Greg

[-Scott-]

And yes, I think it should be harder to get your drivers license, too many lunatics on our roads.

Hey! Don't talk about me like that!

we should be able to get 'club' style registrarion like CAMS rally cars can get. They can have 6 point rollcage and other non-ADR compliant things as long as they pass a pink slip and have the relevant approvals from the managing body. They are also limited in what they can do, ie drive to and from club events, drive on club outings, drive to and from mechanics/repair shop and a limmited number of KM's per testing. And a log book needs to be kept as well.

But we're not really comparing apples with apples here. CAMS rally cars are (typically) built to go fast, handle well and stop quickly - all good traits in an on-road emergency.

Your average weekend warrior's 4by has a higher centre of gravity with larger tyres and suspension designed to go slow over obstacles. Brakes? - yeah, they're still there somewhere.

As an ass-covering public servant who personally has nothing at stake, which are you more likely to allow on public roads?

But as some others here have alluded, Queensland's regulations aren't making us safer - because larger tyres CANNOT be engineered people just go ahead and do what they want, without anything significant in the way of a sanity check.

How is this good?

Scott

[Mczook]

What a bitch Jimmy

Who is the lucky owner of the Clayton kit now? If I can help you out with anything give me a call.

Cheers Sean

[bogged]

Any idea who dobbed you in????

Dont be too sure it was a "dobbed in"..

Remember cops read this forum too(kingy with the dukes charger replica for the Bash, he got asked how it was going, and Outerlimits was the only place its mentioned), no doubt that now its the biggest 4b forum in Australia, the RTA, Vicroads etc, ARB, TJM, all of them will have a user on this board. This is probably the easiest place for the Qld RTA, Vicroads, and NSW RTA etc to get some trucks off the road. Another reason to blank your # plate out if posting images..

Dont be suprised if more people dont get door knocks.

Failing that, the mago would be a good start. Not having seen it, # plate fully exposed, or covered?

Then again, Cheezy has his # plate still on the Mav, and it gets some press occasionally, and hasnt had a knock on the door...


PS..
Bumma dude, it would suck arse to have that happen

[Bartso]

i fear that this will happen to me one day hopefuly the rumor of QLD laws changing id true and happens before i get the letter
makes me think weather or not i should post my mods anymore

[bogged]

makes me think weather or not i should post my mods anymore

sad but this is what I'm thinking. but now they have read this, they already know