ARMY L/R

[bruce]

Can anyone tell me where they auction of the old AMRY Land Rovers

[Slunnie]

Moorebank Sydney is one of them I think through Pickles I think it is.

[Thonger]

I'm not sure how many have been sold off. Though in about 2 years when we replace the fleet there will be heaps.

[Slunnie]

THanger, what numbers are you looking at? Not the entire Landy fleet?

[Thonger]

RFT's are out/going out for the 4x4, 6x6, Unimog and Mack fleets.
Everything must go

[Thonger]

THanger, what numbers are you looking at? Not the entire Landy fleet?

IAN BOSTOCK JDW Correspondent
Sydney

Australian Minister for Defence Robert Hill has announced the short-listing of nine companies that will vie to supply the Australian Defence Force (ADF) with new fleets of medium and heavy general service trucks. He had considered responses from double that number of international suppliers.

The announcement comes nearly 18 months after the companies responded to an invitation to register interest. It is almost a year since industry first expected to learn which companies had been short-listed to proceed to the next round in the tendering process of the long-running A$3 billion (US$2.5 billion) Project Overlander.

The nine short-listed companies - ADI Limited, DaimlerChrysler Australia-Pacific, General Dynamics Land Systems-Australia (GDLS-A), MAN Nutzfahrzeuge, Mack Trucks Australia, Scania Australia, Stewart & Stevenson, Tenix Defence, and Terex Corporation - will each be issued with a restricted request for tender in the second half of the year.

It is expected that several hundred medium and heavy vehicles in various configurations will be acquired for high-priority Australian Army and Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) units.

These include the army's rapidly deployable 3rd Brigade, 10th Force Support Battalion and 5th Aviation Regiment and the RAAF's Expeditionary Combat Support Squadron and Air Field Defence Squadron.

The next phase has a budget allocation of A$450 million to A$600 million and will see deliveries of new vehicles begin in 2008.

The project will eventually involve the replacement of the ADF's entire light, medium and heavy vehicle and trailer fleets, which currently comprise about 7,700 vehicles, 3,100 trailers and 750 motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles. The Overlander requirement covers six generic fleet ranges incorporating more than 80 vehicle variants.

Of the companies short-listed to bid for the medium and heavy replacement vehicle fleets, it is known that ADI has teamed with Oshkosh Truck Corporation. DaimlerChrysler Australia-Pacific will offer trucks from the Mercedes-Benz range and GDLS-A will offer Duro 4 x 4/6 x 6 medium vehicles and heavy vehicles from Scania.

To reduce risk, only military off-the-shelf vehicles that are on order or in service with other countries will be considered. The preferred tenderer will be selected in mid-to-late 2006.

Hill also said that replacements for the ADF's fleet of Series 110 Land Rover 4 x 4 and 6 x 6 light vehicles would be procured through an open tender process beginning later this year.

Again, only off-the-shelf light vehicle types will be considered. Plans for the acquisition of trailers are also being finalised.

This has been going on for ages as the article says. Thing is follwing some trends in the UK, LR are not a shoo in at all this time around.

[Slunnie]

Cool, thanks for this Thonger.

[Thonger]

No worries, I was checking out the Pinzguaer at Avalon airshow. They plan on bidding 4x4 and 6x6 to replace the Landies when it comes up. Looked cool and the guy gave me a dvd and some other shit. They plan on building in Australia if they win the contract which give tham a bit of an edge over others. GM was planning on bidding the Rodeo to replace the LR 4x4

[bruce]

Thanks for that, we get a lot about Overlander up here as we will be the first to get them. But no one will give you a straight answer on when we are getting them.

Being in Pucka you will probably find out first due to the school!

Bruce

[Thonger]

We don't hear that much, I'm at the Arty school, but I know that LR gave a couple of TD5's modded out to mill spec to the transport school to play with/trial. Have heard that some people weren't to impressed with them.

[Pup]

yeah my brother saw some 110 station wagons painted in camo colours down at austral land rover, getting serviced,

also saw some running around at the air show last year at amberly air base

their was also one for sale down in melbourne

[awbeattie381]

Is it worth buying an ex army 110 (& trailer) at auction? From what my bro in law tells me being in the reserves they cop an absolute hiding. What would you pay for them and typically how many kays would they have?

what interior differences are there to the civilian versions in terms of creature comforts? I know there really isnt any such thing in a 110 anyway.

[spazbot]

mmm sounds like there will be some cheap mogs comming up soon

[Thonger]

Is it worth buying an ex army 110 (& trailer) at auction? From what my bro in law tells me being in the reserves they cop an absolute hiding. What would you pay for them and typically how many kays would they have?

what interior differences are there to the civilian versions in terms of creature comforts? I know there really isnt any such thing in a 110 anyway.

Honsetly, yeah they get a bit of a hard life, and chockos probably treat them worse than regs. But they are religiously cleaned, serviced with full oil and filters every 5000k's or 6 months, hell we used to do the bearings every 3rd to 4th service, on the trailers every 2 years. and if something breaks it's replaced with a new part. Thing is despite all the flogging I have only seen one broken front axle, and the guy was an idiot driving it. I've seen frount diffs stoved in, again idiots, replaced with a whole new axle housing. TYpical k's in my old unit where over the 150'000 mark easy, some over 200,000, some hard to tell, as if the speedo breaks they replace it and don't bother to wind it on.

Comfort wise well you have a kick arse heater demister. umm that's about it. FFR's have a 24 volt system on board with 4 deep cycles hooked up. There are a few hard tops floating around, but the canvas is really the only models you see. No legal back seats to speak of.

[Thonger]

mmm sounds like there will be some cheap mogs comming up soon

You probably know this, but I think ours are a little bigger than what Sam runs on his. I can measure them up, post some pics if you want. Not sure how cheap they will go for, the book price for the basic rover is around 40 large. Glad I've never had to pay for one I broke.

[110 TUFF]

6x6 australia in NSW has had recent trials involving a med duty

[Thonger]

6x6 australia in NSW has had recent trials involving a med duty

?? med= medical or medium?

[110 TUFF]

6x6 Australia has had trials with australian and american military in developing med-heavy duty 6x6 vechicles based on ford F series trucks to replace perenties etc. they told me they have been short listed along side pinzgaur and another 6x6 builder.

i was told this only last week.

bob from 6x6 australia was heading last week overseas to Dubai for further testinging in desert situations

apparently a major military defence " test " for light to med 4x4/6x6 was conducted by the american military, involving australian defence services in america only last month. bob was telling me that the so called test track was only fully compleated by two vechicles who were tendering out of somthing like 20 others. these were the 6x6 pinzgaur and 6x6 australias f250 6x6.

drew

[110 TUFF]

sorry rooted up first post.... spilt beer on the key board and pressed wrong button!!!

[Mark2]

Km not an issue - as Thonger said most (all) will have been rebuilt many times. I'd be looking out for thinning chassis galvanising, cracks in chassis, rust in some firewalls. Parts for the 4BD1 are getting hard to find, not sure how much stock the army currently holds. All the spares in stock will be sold off as well, but a lot of non-millitary specific spares (like engine parts) are currently outsourced.

Be interesting to see what people are willing to pay for 110's once larger quantities start being auctioned off. Here in QLD there are several genuine 110 Perenties in civvy hands.

I almost paid $21,000 for one of them recently (in virtually original millitary condition - new tyres, new canvas etc)
I deliberated for days but in the end I couldnt bring myself to spend that much for what they are.

My guess as to the price range they will go for once the auctions really start is about $12 - $15k. And quite possibly less. I know some enthusiasts would gladly pay much more than this but I think there are more 110's going to be sold than there are people who will pay a lot money for them.

[Tojo]

i saw a few parked up the other day in a hangar that had less than 40km on the clock! been stored there since brand new and never been used yet!

[ISUZUROVER]

4BD1 parts are still very easy to come by from the truck spares places. There are still a lot if ISUZU NPR's with 4BD1's hauling loads on the road.

And the 4BD1's in the perenties should be in perfect condition. A mate of mine worked for repco as a diesel fitter and they had a contract for the engine work on the Brisbane fleet of perenties. Every X number of hours (1000, 2000 or something like that) the engines were pulled out of the trucks and sent to repco. They were then tested for a FULL DAY on an engine dyno. If they were operating within spec they were sent back and reinstalled, if not they were reconditioned, then run-in on the dyno, then reinstalled.

I think this is overkill, given that the 4BD1's last for 600k-1mil km in trucks. But it should mean that all the engines are in top condition.