DO YOU WANT A BRISBANE 4WD PARK

[pegasus]

Realux

How many people do you think you will need to ensure that there is enough interest. I know of at least 3 other people with four wheel drives, not on this site, who would be interested.

Stew

[realux]

Realux

How many people do you think you will need to ensure that there is enough interest. I know of at least 3 other people with four wheel drives, not on this site, who would be interested.

Stew

Im certainly not trying to be rude but take into the account of how much money in earth works alone is needed to transorm a basicly flat peice of scrub into a good 4wd park let alone so many things that must be organised and paid for(insurance just another). Myself and my partner do want to definatly know that there is potential users out there, and we do want their ideas. We have had about 15 replies, thats pretty dismall considering how many people have read this post.
Thanks for your reply.
If you get your truck going give me a yell for the weekend.

[pegasus]

Realus

Understand the insurance and earthming issues for sure. There would be big costs involved, and it hard to come up with a number really. Maybe need to try to get in contact with local clubs and see if they are interested?

PM me your number, and I will give you a call when (if) the cars back on the road....

Stew

[POS]

Realux

How many people do you think you will need to ensure that there is enough interest. I know of at least 3 other people with four wheel drives, not on this site, who would be interested.

Stew

Im certainly not trying to be rude but take into the account of how much money in earth works alone is needed to transorm a basicly flat peice of scrub into a good 4wd park let alone so many things that must be organised and paid for(insurance just another). Myself and my partner do want to definatly know that there is potential users out there, and we do want their ideas. We have had about 15 replies, thats pretty dismall considering how many people have read this post.
Thanks for your reply.
If you get your truck going give me a yell for the weekend.

Hey, do run a Business or a circus??????

If you have come on here with the idea that everyone on here is going to tell you how great your venture is and "YES we will go out there every weekend" than SORRY.

I certainly hope that you would BASE YOUR DECISION on more than a few replys on this site!!

What about the NUMOROUS 4WD stores and have you been around to EVERY 4WD club here in the South East to see whos interested and whos NOT!!

I dont think 15 replies is too dismal, ITS 15 MORE than you had before you started!!!!!!!!!

[antt]

Realux

How many people do you think you will need to ensure that there is enough interest. I know of at least 3 other people with four wheel drives, not on this site, who would be interested.

Stew

Im certainly not trying to be rude but take into the account of how much money in earth works alone is needed to transorm a basicly flat peice of scrub into a good 4wd park let alone so many things that must be organised and paid for(insurance just another). Myself and my partner do want to definatly know that there is potential users out there, and we do want their ideas. We have had about 15 replies, thats pretty dismall considering how many people have read this post.
Thanks for your reply.
If you get your truck going give me a yell for the weekend.

well, i'd like a rock track, exactly 800m long, with boulders ranging in size from 300mm dia up to 1200mm dia.

a mud pit, that is 50mX80m and exactly 200mm deep

a couple of hill climbs, one at 30*, another at 40* and an extreme one at 45*

is that the sorta feedback you want?

[realux]

Realux

How many people do you think you will need to ensure that there is enough interest. I know of at least 3 other people with four wheel drives, not on this site, who would be interested.

Stew

Im certainly not trying to be rude but take into the account of how much money in earth works alone is needed to transorm a basicly flat peice of scrub into a good 4wd park let alone so many things that must be organised and paid for(insurance just another). Myself and my partner do want to definatly know that there is potential users out there, and we do want their ideas. We have had about 15 replies, thats pretty dismall considering how many people have read this post.
Thanks for your reply.
If you get your truck going give me a yell for the weekend.

Hey, do run a Business or a circus??????

If you have come on here with the idea that everyone on here is going to tell you how great your venture is and "YES we will go out there every weekend" than SORRY.

I certainly hope that you would BASE YOUR DECISION on more than a few replys on this site!!

What about the NUMOROUS 4WD stores and have you been around to EVERY 4WD club here in the South East to see whos interested and whos NOT!!

I dont think 15 replies is too dismal, ITS 15 MORE than you had before you started!!!!!!!!!

Dealing with some guys like you it would be like running a circus and no im not after eveyone saying that they will be their everyweekend"sorry"
And no my decision isnt based on what feedback i get from a forum
And yes we have a lot of other avenues we are getting info from, this is just an after hours timewaster by the looks.

[realux]

Realux

How many people do you think you will need to ensure that there is enough interest. I know of at least 3 other people with four wheel drives, not on this site, who would be interested.

Stew

Im certainly not trying to be rude but take into the account of how much money in earth works alone is needed to transorm a basicly flat peice of scrub into a good 4wd park let alone so many things that must be organised and paid for(insurance just another). Myself and my partner do want to definatly know that there is potential users out there, and we do want their ideas. We have had about 15 replies, thats pretty dismall considering how many people have read this post.
Thanks for your reply.
If you get your truck going give me a yell for the weekend.

well, i'd like a rock track, exactly 800m long, with boulders ranging in size from 300mm dia up to 1200mm dia.

a mud pit, that is 50mX80m and exactly 200mm deep

a couple of hill climbs, one at 30*, another at 40* and an extreme one at 45*

is that the sorta feedback you want?

I think if you said a mud pit and hill climb that would be sufficient

[killalux]

i would say it should have a couple of good technical rock tracks and hills, ranging from medium easy to xtreme, and i know a lot of guys up this way are into gymkhana's and such so probly a gymkhana track or similar.

[POS]

Maybe it is a TIMEWASTER!

But how many people now know of the park (and superior shackles)

Not bad FREE advertising for a TIMEWASTER

Like i said in my FIRST post, i hope you have the best of luck with your new venture, BUT to expect people to inundate you with replys about what they want was probly asking to much!!

I said ROCK, BIG ROCK! Someone else said mud and some guys even said they would ask there CLUBS for suggestions!!!!!!!!!!

There wouldn't be too much more you can do with the place, maybe throw in some hill climbs, if its suggestions for EVENTS and COMPS then check out the UROC series in the states THATS WHAT I WANT!! 8)

[realux]

i would say it should have a couple of good technical rock tracks and hills, ranging from medium easy to xtreme, and i know a lot of guys up this way are into gymkhana's and such so probly a gymkhana track or similar.

Thanks
some more good feedback.

[realux]

Maybe it is a TIMEWASTER!

But how many people now know of the park (and superior shackles)

Not bad FREE advertising for a TIMEWASTER

Like i said in my FIRST post, i hope you have the best of luck with your new venture, BUT to expect people to inundate you with replys about what they want was probly asking to much!!

I said ROCK, BIG ROCK! Someone else said mud and some guys even said they would ask there CLUBS for suggestions!!!!!!!!!!

There wouldn't be too much more you can do with the place, maybe throw in some hill climbs, if its suggestions for EVENTS and COMPS then check out the UROC series in the states THATS WHAT I WANT!! 8)

How do i find out about that?

[POS]

Maybe it is a TIMEWASTER!

But how many people now know of the park (and superior shackles)

Not bad FREE advertising for a TIMEWASTER

Like i said in my FIRST post, i hope you have the best of luck with your new venture, BUT to expect people to inundate you with replys about what they want was probly asking to much!!

I said ROCK, BIG ROCK! Someone else said mud and some guys even said they would ask there CLUBS for suggestions!!!!!!!!!!

There wouldn't be too much more you can do with the place, maybe throw in some hill climbs, if its suggestions for EVENTS and COMPS then check out the UROC series in the states THATS WHAT I WANT!! 8)

How do i find out about that?

www.uroc4x4.com

Man you need some HUGE rocks!!

[realux]

Maybe it is a TIMEWASTER!

But how many people now know of the park (and superior shackles)

Not bad FREE advertising for a TIMEWASTER

Like i said in my FIRST post, i hope you have the best of luck with your new venture, BUT to expect people to inundate you with replys about what they want was probly asking to much!!

I said ROCK, BIG ROCK! Someone else said mud and some guys even said they would ask there CLUBS for suggestions!!!!!!!!!!

There wouldn't be too much more you can do with the place, maybe throw in some hill climbs, if its suggestions for EVENTS and COMPS then check out the UROC series in the states THATS WHAT I WANT!! 8)

How do i find out about that?

Maybe your right I am probably asking to much. Some feedback about some of the overseas comps would be nice maybe someones knows some websites showing some of the tracks.
Maybe someone knows where i can get some info into competion rules ect.
Its all this sort of info im trying to collect. People should understand this is not something you can jump into and easily create other there would already be 4wd parks in brisbane. Its not just about the tracks its the whole picture im trying to grasp. Surely there are guys out there who knowsome one how does a lot of comp work ,maybe marshalls ? any ideas?
any more help greatly appreciated

[pegasus]

I know a while back there used to be 4wd evenst organised on a property at Oakey Flat rd here at Morayfield. Although not many people competed, many people watched, I loved it. It has gone now (although the area is still open for weekend fun, but no organised events) I think there was a similar thing happening at Yandina on the sunny coast about the same time (probably 3 or 4 years ago now). I am not sure if that still happens.

I don't think that getting people to come will be a problem, like when an event is organised. When I go out to Narangba, there are heaps of people driving through the bush, and I am sure a lot of them would like to go in some sort of gymkhana that could be organised monthly or fortnightly or whatever.....

As long as there is challenges to suite everyone.

Will this be open to the general public for 24/7 access, or just organised days?

Stew

[beebee]

You gan only do so much with the natural terrain offered within your park. Personally I like rocky creek beds and other general rock but this is hard to simulate unless it was previously put there by mother nature. Mud and hill climbs I have no interest in and only slightly more interest in slippery winch challenge type stuff. Basically I like high traction with large obsticles (sp?).

I can guarantee that I'd go the park at least once to check it out and then make a decision based on the merrits of the park. I do like the idea of a park in brisbane a lot. Will be much cheaper to tow the vehicle home when something brakes. Hope it works out.

[realux]

You gan only do so much with the natural terrain offered within your park. Personally I like rocky creek beds and other general rock but this is hard to simulate unless it was previously put there by mother nature. Mud and hill climbs I have no interest in and only slightly more interest in slippery winch challenge type stuff. Basically I like high traction with large obsticles (sp?).

I can guarantee that I'd go the park at least once to check it out and then make a decision based on the merrits of the park. I do like the idea of a park in brisbane a lot. Will be much cheaper to tow the vehicle home when something brakes. Hope it works out.

thank you for your input.

[realux]

I know a while back there used to be 4wd evenst organised on a property at Oakey Flat rd here at Morayfield. Although not many people competed, many people watched, I loved it. It has gone now (although the area is still open for weekend fun, but no organised events) I think there was a similar thing happening at Yandina on the sunny coast about the same time (probably 3 or 4 years ago now). I am not sure if that still happens.

I don't think that getting people to come will be a problem, like when an event is organised. When I go out to Narangba, there are heaps of people driving through the bush, and I am sure a lot of them would like to go in some sort of gymkhana that could be organised monthly or fortnightly or whatever.....

As long as there is challenges to suite everyone.

Will this be open to the general public for 24/7 access, or just organised days?

Stew

probably organised days , how often depends on demand
thanks

[bj on roids]

as adrian suggested


www.uroc4x4.com

rock events draw big crowds, look at the pics, they draw more sophisticated crowds too. A mud event draws slack jawed yokels, like cuzzin bob, and cuzzin cletus, with lots of teeth missing and flannel shirts. Bring the rocks, bring the crowds, and make a wicked comp, and I will likely compete. Oh, I drive a twin diff locked landcruiser, on 42" tyres. The crowd likes to watch me. I don't beleive I'm a timewaster at all. Please feel free to ban me from your park, if I have wasted to much of your time

[NICK]

1. good spectator points.

2. a rock garden underlights so we can goof around and talk shit.

3. little rocks, cause my truck is scared.


4. No flat ground, that way i wont roll again.


NICK

[Strange Rover]

In my honest opinion if you are trying " to transform a basicly flat peice of scrub into a good 4wd park " you are really going to struggle.

If you do have to make all the tracks from scratch with nothing that is natural then it is going to take a lot of money to create something.

Have a look at the man made track at Black Duck. The land rover club of brisbane built that thing and if you had to pay sombody to build the gully track it would cost at least $10 000+ easy. A lot of machinery hours and man hours went into that track (we are talking a 30 tonne escavator (may have been bigger) for 3 days minium plus week of bobcat plus week of truck plus weeks of man hours). In this instance all the material (big rocks and logs etc) were on site and didnt have to be brought in. This track was created on flat land and would take me about 3 minutes to drive it. And the track is nothing compared to the sort of stuff that we find naturally to drive.

IMO if you want to start a 4wd park you really need the natural terrain. Talk to Glen - he built the track at black duck and all the new tracks at cruza park for his short course comps. Glen knows how much time and money it takes to create man made tracks.

Best of luck with your venture.

Sam

[killalux]

I know a while back there used to be 4wd evenst organised on a property at Oakey Flat rd here at Morayfield. Although not many people competed, many people watched, I loved it. It has gone now (although the area is still open for weekend fun, but no organised events) I think there was a similar thing happening at Yandina on the sunny coast about the same time (probably 3 or 4 years ago now). I am not sure if that still happens.

I don't think that getting people to come will be a problem, like when an event is organised. When I go out to Narangba, there are heaps of people driving through the bush, and I am sure a lot of them would like to go in some sort of gymkhana that could be organised monthly or fortnightly or whatever.....

As long as there is challenges to suite everyone.

Will this be open to the general public for 24/7 access, or just organised days?

Stew

the gymkhana's at yandina are still running, and draw large crowds, even despite the wheather being pretty crapy every year. their was also an event held at maroochydore about 2 years ago and that had a huge crowd and was very sucsesful.

[Bris_GU]

I would add, that in relation to the park, there is a shift away from the old style events which could be run on flat ground by dozing some jumps, mud trenches etc, to the extreme end where big rocky hills, big rocks, creek beds etc are used.

I believe Sunshine Coast club has Yandina on in June long weekend this year.

You are certainly asking in a forum with an emphasis on ultra hardcore as opposed to speed gymkhanas like the Backyard Boys who race turbo Subarus. 1 mate has a 15psi Brumby and his father had a old touring wagon with WRX 2.0 Turbo motor and MOTEC etc.

Another issue would be zoning. I know that many 4wd parks have been attacked by local council wanting money out of them or imposing conditions ala Tookeron (1 council wanted big $$ for road upgrade), Sandy Creek etc.

[andy & di]

Not everyone is into the flog your truck on weekends type of 4wding. It only takes one idiot to spoil everything for everyone. The more the tracks are based on speed and deep pockets and not driver skill the more chance of it all going pear shaped very quickly. Rockcrawling would be GR8 obstical course, a terrain type course like Motorama's or ARB's but with balls

[XTREME MMM]

Just my 20 cents worth. I hope it works out for you. I was the person who had been running the events on Oakey Flat Road up to last year. Thanks to the land owners I was able to run 2/3 a year sience around 97. I used to run them to raise money for the AKF(Kidney Foundation) & it was also used in 98 & 99 to get me to Malaysia to compete in the Rainforest Challenge. Over the time I would have raised around $15000 for the AKF. Then guess what the council said no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It happened that someone about 500meters away from the entry did not have a life & jumped. Guess what the AKF does not get any much needed money from an event that everyone liked.
As for the your site I would not be able to run a Xtreme Winch Challenge there unless you put in hundreds of hours machinery & man hours to prepare the SS's. If you could you would have to change them every year. I have run a Xtreme Winch Challenge on 100 acres but it was on the side of a Mountain, the type of land is every thing.
As for the XRCC events it would be possible to do, with a lot of work & heaps of BIG ROCK.
If you are interested give us a call & put in a proposal to be host venue for one of the XRCC Rounds. It would be great to have a venue close to Brisbane. With the advertising I get Council approval would be a must. I would hate to see an event called off a few days from the start.
Always keep in mind that it does not take long to drive around 500acres of flat ground, that is why you will be better off using it for events only.


Regards David (MMM)

[Pal]

I would like to see tracks (Sand stone rock faces) that would be very difficult to drive in trucks that are double locked and on say 36'' tyres,.
Difficult technical hill climbs are a must. Every one loves scaring themselves on snotty hill climbs.

Also some easy tracks for the big girls with the 42s" & 44s'' etc.

.

[jimmyb]

im sure all the ausjeepoffroad.com crew from brisbane will be more than keen to support such an endevour

[Pesky Pete]

My 20 c Worth
Someone previously pointed out that building a park on basically flat land will be tough, and it wont be easy to comepte with the likes of Black Duck, and LCMP on flat land. However, with suitable test tracks, gorges etc, I am sure you will draw loads of people for the day, but not for longer periods.

I'd say loads of rocks, gorges, step ups, locker lanes etc will be the go. Make easy to extreme and youl;l get the masses in.

Driver awareness is also starting to take shape in many clubs and a suitable area for driver training would also be well received. A few small hills, some easy mud, a sand pit or two, and hey presto, you have a driver training area that Im sure the clubs would love to use.

I'd suggest visiting all of the clubs on meeting nights and youll get loads of support. Im from moreton Districts www.moretondistricts.org.au and we are always in search of a close challenge.

Cheers

Pete

[jimmyb]

i have 10 acres at upper kedron, the wife has let me build some tracks on 5 acres up the back, it has a gully running through it and some very steep embankments. these allow for easy construction, just clear the lantana then let friends drive it that dont have a lot of flex and it all gets dug out very quickly.

what is needed is deep holes, and unfortunately where the area is its hard to get a bobcat etc in there. need to bring some big rocks in also. have a log section with opposite flexing which is good for a drive also.

[beebee]

i have 10 acres at upper kedron, the wife has let me build some tracks on 5 acres up the back, it has a gully running through it and some very steep embankments. these allow for easy construction, just clear the lantana then let friends drive it that dont have a lot of flex and it all gets dug out very quickly.

what is needed is deep holes, and unfortunately where the area is its hard to get a bobcat etc in there. need to bring some big rocks in also. have a log section with opposite flexing which is good for a drive also.

HELLO! When's the outerlimits open invite? Actually, I don't really care about the others but I'd like to have a drive myself - any chance of that happening? Pleeeese!

[Welshmun]

Looks good to me; I live just down the road !
Keep me posted.