More power for my TD42 Patrol?

[mrbonk]

Ok....I've decided I have to do something about trying to get some more power out of my TD42 Patrol. Lots of the information I can find about this points to fitment of a turbo of some description. Is this the only real route I have available to me if I want a realistic power increase?

Basically, I'm finally getting fed up with the perpetual 'slow down' whenever I encounter even a moderate slope (no wisecracks from you xenophobes out there......) at highway speeds and the fact that if I want to pass anything, I need to plan ahead and have about 10kms of free road in front of me before I even consider it.

I'm also reading a fair bit of info that suggests I'll probably get better fuel economy with a turbo. Is this 'factual' info, or biased observations by those wanting to justify the expense of having a turbo fitted?

[bazzle]

Youve answered your own question. Turbo is the ONLY way.
"If" you dont use the extra torque ecomomy may be a little better, but in reality not!

You will get what you pay for when it comes to kits, depending on your budget.

Bazzle

[DieselBoy]

Not worth doing the injectors and pump timing??
I have a Uni filter foam air cleaner, 3" exhaust and Holly electric fuel pump

I had some good results by doing that.

Not nearly as much as a turbo would, but i get comments all the time on how peaky the motor is at the mo.

[chrispy]

Having my injectors done today. All six are relatively stuffed, and four were so coked up that they very nearly didn't want to come out. I'm going to pick it up this arvo so I'm dying to see what difference a new set of nozzles and the pump set up for the turbo (finally) makes.....

Maybe a good service will make the slight performance difference you're after?

[mrbonk]

Ok, so it looks like I'm going to have to go down the turbo route to get what I want (better driveability, mostly).

So, the next question is, which way do I go? Do I get a kit and fit it myself? Do I take it to someone and get them to do it? Do I need to go intercooled? If I buy a kit, which one is 'the one' for the TD42? I had a brief look at the turboglide site (www.turboglide.com.au) earlier.....are these any good? They appear to be quite a bit cheaper than some of the other ones I've found.

[bogged]

are you doing all the work youself?

1) have you ever had pump and injectors serviced?
2) how many kms on engine? - do you know its history
TD42s are great, but any engine that hasnt been looked after will suffer from a turbo...

which turbo to go for?
Denco do a bolt on kit inc exhaust. Works well. I run it I like it, but not easy to sort out yourself.
Safari do a good kit but wont sell to u to install youself.
AXT do one, NFI never used.
DTS do one plenty of them around, seem good.

But you dont just throw a snail on there you have to match the fuel to the turbo etc.. IMHO, you can fit the turbo kit yourself then get the pump and injectors done by a professional or your wasting your $

Do you need Icooling? Thats your call. but all up for an off the shelf safari IC and Turbo is around $7000 (last time I looked).... + fitting, and its a pissy small Intercooler.


are you better off to go with a complete engine swap?

How rich are you?



Ps. these have all been discussed before.

[mrbonk]

are you doing all the work youself?

1) have you ever had pump and injectors serviced?
2) how many kms on engine? - do you know its history
TD42s are great, but any engine that hasnt been looked after will suffer from a turbo...

which turbo to go for?
Denco do a bolt on kit inc exhaust. Works well. I run it I like it, but not easy to sort out yourself.
Safari do a good kit but wont sell to u to install youself.
AXT do one, NFI never used.
DTS do one plenty of them around, seem good.

But you dont just throw a snail on there you have to match the fuel to the turbo etc.. IMHO, you can fit the turbo kit yourself then get the pump and injectors done by a professional or your wasting your $

Do you need Icooling? Thats your call. but all up for an off the shelf safari IC and Turbo is around $7000 (last time I looked).... + fitting, and its a pissy small Intercooler.


are you better off to go with a complete engine swap?

How rich are you?



Ps. these have all been discussed before.

Ok......

1. To my knowledge, the pump and injectors have both been done. The previous owner told me they had been, plus I took it to the local diesel injector service mob and after a visual inspection, they concluded that they'd been done, but I don't know how they worked that out from just looking at it.
2. It's got 358,000kms on it. The previous owner was the son of the original owner and didn't have it very long. The original owner was apparently anal about taking care of it, so I can only assume it's been well looked after. It doesn't blow any smoke unless I really get up it and in general it doesn't do anything else untoward.

It looks to me like it's an expensive exercise if I do it properly, with even more potential for future expense if it's done cheap and wrong.

I'm not rich, by any stretch of the imagination. I'm certainly not interested in borrowing any money (which I'd have to do if I wanted to do this properly), so it looks like I'll have to just put up with it the way it is. Perhaps I should just learn to be patient

I thought I might be able to get my hands on a factory turbo setup off a wrecked one, but all the wreckers I called today said "What, are you kidding??". Apparently, anything suitable is sold practically before they can get it unbolted from the engine

[turps]

If after a good setup. PM Juzza he had a safri intercooler setup for sale. Not real sure if he is still selling but he may still do for the right price.
Dont think it had many k's on it either.

[JemmyBubbles]

I aint rich either... I waited for a second hand kit to come around for the right price. I got one of sideshow (lovely chap) of this board its a turbo glide kit, had a few dramas to begin with but all sorted now ...

I put it on with the help of my old mans diesel mechanic friend. Honestly I didn't need his help but was good to have a watchfull eye just incase (ie; very very easy). The benefit of the turbo glide kit was that I didn't have to punch a hole in the sump as it is a himount turbo..

I got the old head mechanic from binskins 4wd to tune it cause glenn sold his shop and this bloke is the next best thing to mr binskin himself. I got them to match the standard fuel pump to the boost I am running (around 10psi).

The thing hammers. There isn't a hill on the highway in between wauchope and newcastle that I can't accelerate up. There is one that I have to down shift for (Colloongaloock ??), but I can still accelerate in 4th up it..

I haven't got around to finishing off the exhaust or doing injectors or fitting a snorkle. I just have only a 2 1/2" dump off the back of the turbo to the first flange of the standard exhaust... So I would imagine when all those are taken care of will operate much better...

I run a K&N Filter in the Pre Cleaner housing as the primary filter, which I thought a little odd at first, but it works quite well.

I have only just gone over $2k so I am fairly happy so far..

Definately worth doing... Bazzle is correct RE the economy, you have power therefore you use it..

[morkz]

if i was you just look for a turbo kit off a factory 4.2 GU they do come about u should be able to pick one up for around $1500 thats what they seem to be going for.

you'll have to be realistic with power outputs but u should be able to get about 92-95kw at the rear wheels which is in improvement of what you already have.

no need for intercooler unless you plan to run high/boost and lots of fuel.

another cost you should consider is fitting a pyro to measure exhaust temps and thats it.

buy a second hand kit i.e. from a wrecker get someone who knows how to setup them make sure the pump is adjusted properly and your done at worst i reckon $2500-$3 maybe if not less depends on what someone is going to charge you most places fit a turbo up in half a day.

good luck with it all

[Duff]

ive been thinking about this for ages and ive calculated that a if it gonna cost around $2500 ($1500 for the turbo, manifold and lines, 400 for a exhaust, 400 for tuning and $200 for odds and ends) your better off getting one off a turbo mob for $3500 fully fitted includng an exhaust and new air intake. for the extra $1000 your getting peice of mind that it is brand new and has a warrenty. and the car is off the road only for a day. this is just my thoughts. then you need a pyro($300), modified fuel pump for more power($1500) intercoola more boost($1000) reco injectors i need this($duno).

i just figured that i will learn to drive slow. its just too expensive even second hand units

[PigDog]

iv got a 4.2 gq with 35 and a m8t has got a 4.2 gu with turbo and i destroy him at every thing on the flat in a drage up hills the lot. it just goes to show that you dont need a turbo you just need a m8t that has a stuffed car

[bogged]

iv got a 4.2 gq with 35 and a m8t has got a 4.2 gu with turbo and i destroy him at every thing on the flat in a drage up hills the lot. it just goes to show that you dont need a turbo you just need a m8t that has a stuffed car

Your non turbo GQ on 35s with no diff ratio changes, destroys your mates GU on what tires? 44's?

[JemmyBubbles]

The benefit/enjoyment/instant fat everytime you drive the car factor far outweighs the cost factor. I figured if I am going to stick with a diesel I might as well have something that is smelly, rather than smelly and slow.. .

ie; paying premium price for fuel and having no performance shat me soooooo much.

Getting a cheap GU kit would be an excellent option if you could find one for around $1000. Send blower to Denco/Similar place get them to hiflow and rebuild it, get a 3" dump off the back of it.

[BIG GQ]

Very funny Bruce........................................................................................................no he is only running 42's



Anyway, yes a turbo is the only real answer. I bought Matty Bolgers old factory kit (not so old and no not the one that went for a swim) and fitted that myself. I ran a snorkel, 3" mandrel bent system including dump pipe (also fitted all this myself) and 7psi boost on my TD42 Wagon.

I then took it to Motson's down here in Brisbane and had an aneroid fitted to the pump and then all tuned on the dyno. Have a look below.........the before figures is without aneroid (boost compensator) and tunning and the after figure is obviously after the aneroid was fitted and the whole lot tuned on the dyno. The figures speak for themselves.





I now run 1bar boost (14.7psi) and have the intercooler sitting in the shed ready to fit. Awsome now and very nice to drive. Once I fit the intercooler it will be going back on the dyno for another tune just so it all suits the extra boos and the new intercooler.

I don't know if you know the range at Marburg but it is on my way to black duck valley and I sometimes tow my GQ comp ute up that range and do not go below 75km/hr

Complete secondhand factory turbo kit $1000.00
3" Mandrel bent dump pipe and system from Beaudesert Exhaust Centre $750
Aneroid (boost compensator) fitted and dyno tune $720
1 Afternoons work $55 (carton of rum)
Having a nice drivable diesel Patrol $PRICELESS

TOTAL $2525

[giantracing]

gas it. 30 % more power. runs cooler. save money on diesel to. i had a td42 turboed, but use to get 600km out of a tank. put gas on run cooler stopped blowing as much smoke and gained 300km more fuel. yes 900km out of a tank. this was a stock engine internals, only had big hi flow pump done, injectors, turbo(25 pounds of boost) , gas, 235 horses at the rear.