4" lift help

Post by **Hoonz** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 5:39 pm

i have a gq td42 coil cab ute

has a steel winchbar(standard) with xd9000
and a 147l long range tank
planning on running 37" tyres off road will be getting fibreglassguards
to fit the tyres

ok u guys that have 4" kits what dimension shocks are you's using?

Post by **bazzle** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:05 pm

I use OME N19L and N29L's
New Long travel shocks from ARB
Extended bump stops by 25mm :lol:

Work good within standard arm flex criteria

N19L 555mm (also n73@610mm)
N29L 720

Springs still holding firm in seats

Post by JK » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:16 am

Here are all the measurements off my Dobinson 4" lift...

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... c&start=60

Post by **Hoonz** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:11 am

cheers dirt pig ... ur rig looks sweet how do u find the flex in ur rig?
seen the pics

4" Dobinsons (new)

Front:
Rod dia = 19.5
Spring extended length = approx 500mm
Shock Ext Length = 675mm (26.5")

Rear:
Rod dia = 21.5mm,
Extended length = approx 535mm
Shock Ext Length = 725mm (28.5")

now seeing as i can get cheap procomp shocks ....
would any one have a part number 4 a shock of similar dimensions
as above?

Post by JK » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:25 am

Thanks. She flexes to full shock travel in the rear. The radius arms limit the front flex so that I can't get the last 2" of shock travel to full flex, but this can only be fixed by going 5-link or removing one of the radius arm bolts.

You should also consider the Dobinson shocks if you are after a good value shock. They come in at around 80-90 a pop and are perfectly valved for onroad duties and touring. I get minimal bodyroll without sway bars. I quite liked them offroad as well. Maybe a little stiff at first but they do soften up after a few thousand ks.

The Dobinson shock body diameter is about 10mm bigger than a Rancho! They come in the perfect length for a 4" lift and suit your eye-eye rear and pin-poin front without needing $$$ adapters like ranchos etc do.

They also have 20mm neoprene bump-stops on the shafts so that they don't bottom out harshly at full compression. A very nice feature and it means I don't have to run extended bump stops in the rear.

Post by **Hoonz** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:35 am

hey dobinsons is in rocky ..... i'll be there next week... pending on my arms lol ..... ill check it out

Post by JK » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:38 am

You got springs? They do a good 4" spring kit for the $$$.

My dob 4" lift is more like 5"+

Post by **Hoonz** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:14 pm

this is wot i just got quoted from dobinsons ... now im confused
cause JK has a 4" dobinson kit

FRONT SPRINGS $168.00 PAIR
REAR SPRINGS $200.00 PAIR

FRONT SHOCKS $205.00 PAIR
REAR SHOCKS Cannot supply. You will have to find a long travel shock, e.g. Rancho.

With the front shocks, you will have to raise the shocky tower 20mm to stop the shocky from bottoming out when compressed.

Post by **bazzle** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:54 pm

""REAR SHOCKS Cannot supply. You will have to find a long travel shock, e.g. Rancho.
With the front shocks, you will have to raise the shocky tower 20mm to stop the shocky from bottoming out when compressed.""

Have you thought about the new OME shocks?

Bazzle

Post by **Hoonz** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:39 pm

i have ome shocks i've blowin 2 out

dont like'em

Post by JK » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:06 pm

Strange... I've got them fitted to my GQ so they do exist...

PM Hayden. He ordered mine for me. He knows what to ask for.

Website · Post by **Maggot4x4** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:29 am

I have a 4" bodylift for a GQ sitting here if you intrested. Blocks are 100mm x 100mm Nylon with bolts and Nylocks to suit.

Post by **Hoonz** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:15 pm

got a 2" body lift in 4" is to much work :p

Post by **timo_ed** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 5:57 pm

If you plan on fitting a 5-link at an time down the track.. then think twice about fitting Dobinsons springs. The front springs are 2 stiff and too short. I tried 2 sets of their softest, and am currently onto my 2nd set of custom springs that are much better.

Also, check who makes Dobinsons shocks. It is likely that they are rebadged Monroes. Don't waste your time on Ranchos, we are forever replacing them. I would do as Bazzle suggested and try the new OME's. If you set your bump stops up correctly you shouldn't kill them. Alternatively, try the new remote canister Bilsteins from the US!

Rgds,
Tim

Post by **Hoonz** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:29 pm

mm dunno
anyone got dimensions on procomp shocks?
still researching

either way im gonna have to fix the bump stops
just seeing what every one else is using and what size they think is best

Post by **SNAFU!** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:16 pm

Procomps are the same as Rancho's almost. Same price as well. Thats what i heard anyway.

Post by **bogged** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:38 pm

timo_ed wrote:IAlternatively, try the new remote canister Bilsteins from the US!

Rgds,
Tim

Wouldnt that be nice, external valving and all on some

Post by **hypo** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 7:36 am

SNAFU! wrote:Procomps are the same as Rancho's almost. Same price as well. Thats what i heard anyway.

procomps r way cheaper than rancho

i getting in a set of bisteins fron the states 4 my lux

Post by **big red** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 9:14 pm

something doesn't sound right, i would fit the springs and then measure the length you need for shocks

Post by **Area54** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:43 am

big red wrote:something doesn't sound right, i would fit the springs and then measure the length you need for shocks

I agree. Unless you have a company that can sell the kit as a matched length package. there are too many variables in how 'high' a kit is.

Post by **Hoonz** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:27 pm

ok i installed the new coils ....
ride height came up the same as 2"OME kit

ARB told me they only do a 2" kit, 2 years ago that was
took it all back out again ... free standing height is the same ...

front 425mm
rear 505mm

ok so whats goin on
rang dobinsons and spoke to jim ... was very helpful
they also have a factory in bris where their coils are different again
suspecting thats where james coils came from
ur coils being front 505mm rear 540mm :shock:

so my 2/4" kit ain't high enough going to see what types of 6" coils
they will give me

some one said that ARB could have installed GU coils which are bigger then the GQ coils ???? some one enlighten me on this

Post by JK » Wed Jul 30, 2003 8:19 pm

Sounds like someone is walking you down a LOOOONG and winding garden path... A whole pile of that doesn't sound right.

Agree with timo about the Dob front coils. Looks like they are too stiff to get full compression but will experiment more with the mod 3-link I am working on. I get full droop but am about 2" off getting full compression up front.

Getting full travel out of the rear as you can see in my member's thread.

Also, my Dob shocks are stamped "Dobinsons" I strongly doubt that they are re-badged munroes etc. This isn't a sticker either.

Post by **Hoonz** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:57 pm

ok

sending them springs back
going for the 6" kit extra heavy duty(medium)
to get my height ...
but first i need to get adjustable panhard bars, brake lines, castor plates
anything else that i need?
adjustable control arms for the rear?

hows ur rig going james?

Post by JK » Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:21 pm

If I was going to run the truck unloaded and never had plans to tour in it I would probably go one step lighter in the springrate than I have on now. I think I have extra heavy duty. Rod dia is all detailed in my members thread. I think it is 19mm dia up front, 21mm out back. I have no idea how it will go when it is all loaded up with the touring gear, winch up front, full bars side and rear etc. It will probably be just right and I will get full flex OK.

You will have to mod or drop your crossmember otherwise your front driveshaft will rub at full droop.

I didn't bother with adjustable rear arms for my lift but they would probably be necessary for a 6" lift. I already flex my rear arms close to their limit with my shock length. I don't think I would get much more flex with 6" coils.

I didn't bother with adjustable brakelines. I just made up a bracket that raised the brake blocks up about 75mm away from the diff. This gives all the length I needed and saved about $100 + the hassle of bleeding the brake system.

And yeah she is going like a demon. All I need now is lockers and gears and I will keep up with the best of them.

Post by **ozy1** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:01 pm

i wouldnt worry bout adjustable lower or upper control arms, i had stock ones and mine flex till i run out of shock.

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:40 pm

I would highly recommend Heavy Duty lower control arms, as the factory ones are rubbish, really thin seamed tube. You will bend them in no time if you give it a hard time, I know I did

Post by **big red** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 1:30 pm

because you have a ute i would get adjustable lower trailing arms, they are much stronger than factory and your diff location doesn't matter as much as a wagon which needs to keep tyres in same position so 35's dont rub.
you can get them from Wizard performance...0755293246 gold coast
www.wizardperformance.com.au

Post by **blu125** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:02 pm

The Dobinson story is a bit confusing, but briefly Dobinson's in Brisbane is a distribution company owned by Greg Waugh. Greg has Rocky wind springs to suit the needs of 4wd modifiers & these often have no connection with the normal Dobinson catalogue.

The shocks come from Europe (probably Boge).

Greg also can supply superb quality adjustable Panhards (a lot lighter than Whiteline), which are incredibly strong. The rear bar is made of Chrom-moly

Post by JK » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:24 pm

blu125 wrote:The shocks come from Europe (probably Boge).

So, do you think that my shocks (in the pics above) are made by Boge?

Is "Rocky" the spring manufacturing company? What other makes of springs do they manufacture for?

Post by **blu125** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 5:34 pm

Sorry about the confusion, Dobinson Springs, (the manufacturer) are in Rockhampton.

I don't think that Dobinson's manufacture for anyone else, but many respected 4X4 outlets such as Macquarie 4X4 use them. I've been selling them for about 3 years and have found the quality superb, unlike a Royal springmaker whose product is sold under many brand names and whose quality is variable at best.

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