TUFF TRUCK CHALLENGE 2006

Post by **Big Mav** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:58 pm

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Put 38" Tyres on it with normal offset 10" rims / Flares & ghay arse mudflaps. & then they just look similiar to most other modified 4x4's with 38" rubber on them...

Pete

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I dont know the laws in NSW but I as far as I know in QLD your only allowed to do a suspension lift of up to 33% of the travel or distance from bump stop to bumpstop and an increse of tyre size of 10% fom standard.

I dont know how any of the competing vehicles would pass a road worthy without major modifications and I know none would pass as they are at the event.

None of the vehicles should have to be regestered, and I am sure it is only for some sort of insurance reasons that they are, but call a spade a spade and dont try to pass of Monster trucks as upstanding road regestered vehicles that with only a tyre change and mudflaps would drive straight through an RTA inspection.

Maybee some of them would, but I dont see how.

Wouldnt it be better to sort out the insurance issue so as to be able to run the trucks un regestered. Its really a farce when all you need to supply are rego papers which match license plates and no proof of engineering.

Any way this is only my opinion.

Post by **sierrajim** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:52 pm

Big Mav wrote: I dont know the laws in NSW but I as far as I know in QLD your only allowed to do a suspension lift of up to 33% of the travel or distance from bump stop to bumpstop and an increse of tyre size of 10% fom standard.

What this means is that you can do a lift of up to 1/3 of the factory distance between bumpstops without an engineers report. Any more than that you need to get it signed off.

Tyre size can be increased by 10% without an engineers report. Any more than 10% is to be signed off by an engineer.

As to how many of the rigs are 100% engineered and 100% road registerable, who knows. They still manage to draw a crowd.

Post by **hotrod4x4** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:19 pm

this is the same topic of conversation and bitching thats been happening for YEARS and in just about ALL FORMS of motorsport or anything automotive.

people should learn to get over it

whether its a highly modified 4wd , street car , drag car , hot rod etc etc

there is always someone pushing the limitations of the law.....and yes , each state is different.
go to the summernats in canberra , or most drag strips to see MANY cars with rego that to most wouldnt come close to any rego inspection or engineering approval. there will always be loopholes in the law , or bodgy rego's , it makes no difference. i personally know of vehicles that were rego passed yrs ago and laws have changed to stop it happening again.

so get over it and accept the comp for what it is....a comp to find the tuffest truck

if watching , watch and appreciate the effort and entertainment , dont sit there complaining how legally registered it is

anyway , my thoughts
people jealous always bitch n complain , whatever myself or anyone else says isnt going to stop it

Post by **Bentzook** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:51 pm

Bentzook wrote:
For a competition based on road registered vehicles, what are these registered as
Quote:
Next year there will be at least 10-12 vehicles with rear steer.... So comeon Guys, the bar is being raised every year & this year has been the highest level of competition so far.........

And where do they get pit tested?

This sport does not need critics, constuctive critism will be tolerated

Rear steer does not effect road rego, pit inspections or the like. All rear steer systems that have been engineered are for off road use only.. Simply fix the system with a pin or the like...........
Any engineer will pass rear steer as long as it is fitted with a lockout....
With my setup you simply remove the quick release Hydro Ram & I replace it with a solid bar which enables it to be fixed as a non steer axle.
I have not had to fit this bar to the vehicle in the past 4 years as I do not need to drive it on the road.......

As most of our vehicles do not get driven on the street, their are many features that make these trucks look insane....

Put 38" Tyres on it with normal offset 10" rims / Flares & ghay arse mudflaps. & then they just look similiar to most other modified 4x4's with 38" rubber on them...

Pete

So being road registered and driving on the road are two different things are they

Post by **fatmanjt** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:44 pm

this is the same topic of conversation and bitching thats been happening for YEARS and in just about ALL FORMS of motorsport or anything automotive.

people should learn to get over it

whether its a highly modified 4wd , street car , drag car , hot rod etc etc

there is always someone pushing the limitations of the law.....and yes , each state is different.
go to the summernats in canberra , or most drag strips to see MANY cars with rego that to most wouldnt come close to any rego inspection or engineering approval. there will always be loopholes in the law , or bodgy rego's , it makes no difference. i personally know of vehicles that were rego passed yrs ago and laws have changed to stop it happening again.

so get over it and accept the comp for what it is....a comp to find the tuffest truck

if watching , watch and appreciate the effort and entertainment , dont sit there complaining how legally registered it is

anyway , my thoughts
people jealous always bitch n complain , whatever myself or anyone else says isnt going to stop it

Thankyou well said. If you don't like it, simple don't go or watch it then.

Post by **planb** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:22 am

Bentzook wrote:
Bentzook wrote:
For a competition based on road registered vehicles, what are these registered as
Quote:
Next year there will be at least 10-12 vehicles with rear steer.... So comeon Guys, the bar is being raised every year & this year has been the highest level of competition so far.........

And where do they get pit tested?

This sport does not need critics, constuctive critism will be tolerated

Rear steer does not effect road rego, pit inspections or the like. All rear steer systems that have been engineered are for off road use only.. Simply fix the system with a pin or the like...........
Any engineer will pass rear steer as long as it is fitted with a lockout....
With my setup you simply remove the quick release Hydro Ram & I replace it with a solid bar which enables it to be fixed as a non steer axle.
I have not had to fit this bar to the vehicle in the past 4 years as I do not need to drive it on the road.......

As most of our vehicles do not get driven on the street, their are many features that make these trucks look insane....

Put 38" Tyres on it with normal offset 10" rims / Flares & ghay arse mudflaps. & then they just look similiar to most other modified 4x4's with 38" rubber on them...

Pete

So being road registered and driving on the road are two different things are they

marcus, get with the program

this is nothing new

Post by **moose** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:58 am

Wendle wrote:
moose wrote: (Red B!tch broke a mog diff !!!)
what broke? just the portal box?

limiting strap broke first , then over extended , springs fell out , bent LH lower trailing arm , over rotated diff assembly = snapped pinion (just behind flange)

but Bob was givin it sum "Luvin" !!!!!

Post by **Wendle** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:50 am

moose wrote:
Wendle wrote:
moose wrote: (Red B!tch broke a mog diff !!!)
what broke? just the portal box?
limiting strap broke first , then over extended , springs fell out , bent LH lower trailing arm , over rotated diff assembly = snapped pinion (just behind flange)

but Bob was givin it sum "Luvin" !!!!!

ol' bob should have kept the range rover tailshafts in there as a fuse if the nissan junk is strong enough to break the mog stuff.

maybe i should downgrade to toyota junk or something

all though it sounds like it may have just been the conversion flange, might ring up the old bus driver and find out what the go is, i am worried now.

Post by **rumble** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:50 am

Carlton
I have some good toyota stuff going cheap!-excellent upgrade from the MB stuff
w

Post by **Big Mav** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:34 am

this is the same topic of conversation and bitching thats been happening for YEARS and in just about ALL FORMS of motorsport or anything automotive.

people should learn to get over it

whether its a highly modified 4wd , street car , drag car , hot rod etc etc

there is always someone pushing the limitations of the law.....and yes , each state is different.
go to the summernats in canberra , or most drag strips to see MANY cars with rego that to most wouldnt come close to any rego inspection or engineering approval. there will always be loopholes in the law , or bodgy rego's , it makes no difference. i personally know of vehicles that were rego passed yrs ago and laws have changed to stop it happening again.

so get over it and accept the comp for what it is....a comp to find the tuffest truck

if watching , watch and appreciate the effort and entertainment , dont sit there complaining how legally registered it is

Why should I have to "get over it and accept the comp for what it is" why cant event organisers think outside the box and realise comp vehicles should not have to be regestered.

Perhaps engineered yes, but why do I have to spend around $900 a year on rego for my v8 comp truck that never drives on the road.

Some may say that this is Bitching and Whineing, but then again others may say that it is the first step to changing a system that when looked at honestly, is a joke, NONE OF THESE COMP RIGS COULD RUN ON THE ROAD WITHOUT GETTIG PULLED OVER BY ANY COPPER THAT SAW THEM.

Why are competitors forced to carry out this charade, I think its so event organisers can cover there arse with regard to insurance plain and simple.

But hey why try to change it right.

Website · Post by **Maggot4x4** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:53 am

I don't care one way or the other in regards to Rego, to me, it makes no difference to the specticle that is Tuff Truck.

But I would of thought for the sport to progress as a genuine motorsport, this issue needs to be addressed one way or the other.

Maybe the 4WD associations could lobby the various transport departments to have a conditional rego similar to rally cars, or go the other way and talk to a motorsport insurer like OAMPS and remove the need for rego at all.

Either way, until this is resolved people will always piss and moan about it, rather than just enjoy the event.

This is what really pisses me off with the 4wd community in general. The same goes for track closures, people piss and moan, but when the time come to put your hand up and fight for your sport, everyone goes MIA. If you not willing to stand up and help address the problem, or you would rather just whinge, piss off, buy a hairdresser car and go and sip you latte's down at what ever beach is the flavour of the month, and say Hello Darling to Scruby while your there.

Post by **lay80n** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:35 pm

What would people rather watch, 3 inch lifted 80's etc with 33 mud tyres, or what we currently have. Why all the bitching and moaning. Did you go to tuff truck?? did you enjoy it?? if you answered yes to these questions, what is the problem?? So far the comp seems to work, big crowds, good driving and awesome rigs. If it aint broke, dont fix it.
Layto....

Post by **`maddog** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:24 pm

Big Mav wrote: NONE OF THESE COMP RIGS COULD RUN ON THE ROAD WITHOUT GETTIG PULLED OVER BY ANY COPPER THAT SAW THEM.

Actually I drive mine from my place to trails from time to time, just slap on the 37" MTRs and she's fine. It's engineered, so it's legal. Driven past a number of police, including highway patrol cars without being pulled over. *touch wood*

As a responsible 4WDer, I don't drive the vehicle around in traffic or in the city. I only drive it to and from trails as I recognise it's lowered handling abilities due to the mods I've made to it.

But I agree that the rules should be tweaked a little. I was thinking about something along the lines of the vehicle must have a box chassis from the front diff to the rear diff. That will eliminate a lot of the buggy rear ends we're seeing.

PS: I'm not bitching, just offering suggestions on how to make the comp better for next year.

Post by **GRIMACE** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:11 pm

wahwahwahwahwah....

TTC rawks all you people whinging should try not goin and see how bad that is

Post by **grimbo** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:28 pm

instead of whining about it, either offer solutions to your complaints or better yet run an event the way you want to or maybe get in touch with the organisers and offer your time and expert advice for future events.

it is very easy to sit on the sidelines and critise an event but unless you are in there and running it you can't imagine the things that need to be done to have a successful event. these guys have done well to get this event up and runnning again in a workable format. There and will be issues that arise whilst being run but there will be reasons why things are being run and worded as they are.

So maybe to the doubters either be part of the solution and get involved with workable solutions or a bit of quiet

Post by **80lsy gq** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:34 pm

i think everyone needs to take a chill pill for a minute

i believe what Big Mav is trying to say is why is people like himself and a lot of other competitors forced to pay rego on a vehicle that they will never drive on the road, he is not saying that tuff truck should be road legal trucks...

unfortunately due to the typical society we live in now of sue,sue,sue...event organisers such as Tuff Truck and myself with Powercruise are forced to have little pieces of paper saying that yes the vehicle is registered as yes for insurance reasons it does ease the load on organisers of the event..if they were to be unregistered then the cost of insurance will rise and indeed even getting insurance becomes a whole lot harder.. so as you can see it makes the competitions cheaper for competitors to enter by having registered vehicles and dearer if not registered..basically the costs to competitors would even out in the end whether regoed or not..

dave

Post by **antt** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:38 pm

how are the buggy comps getting away with it then? paying out the ass for insurance or what?

Post by **blu125** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:16 pm

Post by **yep** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:37 am

80lsy gq wrote:i think everyone needs to take a chill pill for a minute

i believe what Big Mav is trying to say is why is people like himself and a lot of other competitors forced to pay rego on a vehicle that they will never drive on the road, he is not saying that tuff truck should be road legal trucks...

I'm sure that's what he's trying to say.

I'm very surprised that there's all this bitching and whining over who has what and who spent what, racing in any form of motorsport all comes down to cubic dollars - not cubic inches. If you don't like it don't participate in it.

Post by **planb** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:45 am

Big Mav wrote:
Why are competitors forced to carry out this charade, I think its so event organisers can cover there arse with regard to insurance plain and simple.

But hey why try to change it right.

i agree with you big mav

the reauirement for rego makes a mockery of the event

of course these vehicles are close to if not entirely unregisterable

the requirement for rego is to maintain a 'minimum standard' when it comes to safety

the problem is, like everyone has identified, none of the comp trucks these days are registerable, with the exception of those that come last at every comp

there is affordable insurance available now for unregistered comps, thanks to the ccda

i understand tuff truck were considering this for the 2006 event, but i guess they just ran with the rego rule:

what i believe this means is that the guys pushing the envelope for rego'd comps will just move onto buggy comps, taking the wind out of the sails of events like TT and the nissan trials

we all know what trucks we go to see;

the unregisterable ones with the neatly preserved rego sticker and dodgy pink slip in the glove box!

Post by **gradnedge** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:06 am

hi there all.

im graham i think tt06 was a great event.
i am sick of hearing people bitching about how there is no pics and the whinning about diffent things like the stencils on the rocks.

i nticed somepeople complaining had not even gone to the event .
i myself travelled from townsville to the event which is 2500klm one way .
and i dont have a bad thing to say about the event .

so pull your heads in .

make thew effort to travel to the event and see it .

bring on the 07 tough truck event .

Post by **Big Mav** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:29 am

hi there all.

im graham i think tt06 was a great event.
i am sick of hearing people bitching about how there is no pics and the whinning about diffent things like the stencils on the rocks.

i nticed somepeople complaining had not even gone to the event .
i myself travelled from townsville to the event which is 2500klm one way .
and i dont have a bad thing to say about the event .

so pull your heads in .

make thew effort to travel to the event and see it .

bring on the 07 tough truck event .

Except for a few posts abaout the amount of marshels and the possibilities of change during the event of the mud run,

NO ONE IS BITCHING ABOUT THE EVENT

People are using this forum as place to express there thoughts about wether Comp only vehicles need to be regestered or not.

I did not make it to Tuff Truck as I am saving my dollars for for my entry fee for the Outback Challenge. However I heard it was an excelent event and good on the promoters for putting it on.

People have the right to express there ideas, and hopefully like The Queensland Winch Challenge, where vehicles do not need to be regestered, CHANGE WILL COME.

Thanks

Post by **moose** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:33 pm

cant drive a comp rig on the road ?????
someone better tell Pip !!!!!!

he drove his JC/ABT 40 series , from taralgon to Albury !!
then trailered up to Gonads @ windsor , then drove to the event !!!!
all legal on 40" MTR,s !!!!

Post by **professor** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:21 pm

Great weather at Tufftruck don't you think

Post by **BOGAN V8** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:56 pm

professor wrote:Great weather at Tufftruck don't you think

Post by **crunch** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:18 pm

Hey guys...

Did anyone get a pic of the girl that got her chozzies out afetr the knob in the mav got it hung up in the campsite?

It's my gf and she wants the pics to prove she did it!

Pm them 2 me if you have them. Thanks guys!

And yes, we'll be there next year and we're gonna push the organisers for the Wet Tshirt comp

Post by **"CANADA"** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:20 pm

take the pic outa ya sig andy

i will have all the signs and gear for the wet t comp next tiem

Post by **Screwy** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:15 pm

just got the MQ off the trailer, all appears sweet. a few battle scars and some touch ups and im back in business

TOP WEEKEND

congrats to pete and mick and glen for there placings....

pete that bottle of LPG i filled up for ya, did u end up using it? hope i could of been help.

screwy

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:24 pm

crunch wrote:Hey guys...

Did anyone get a pic of the girl that got her chozzies out afetr the knob in the mav got it hung up in the campsite?

It's my gf and she wants the pics to prove she did it!

Pm them 2 me if you have them. Thanks guys!

And yes, we'll be there next year and we're gonna push the organisers for the Wet Tshirt comp

hey mate.

the pics are up in general chit chat under TTC behind the scenes pics.

Post by **"CANADA"** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:37 pm

pete....what did you do...screwy will never let that go..."i helped pete win ttc06"

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