mixing petrol with Diesel

[LuxyBoy]

Yeah i thought it might keep it too thin.
Sorry for the highjack

[LuxyBoy]

The acetone website recommends the following mixture:
2 oz. per ten US gallons

Converts to:
2 ounce [US, liquid] = 59.147 059 375 milliliter
10 gallon [US, liquid] = 37.854 118 liter

59ml per 38L this makes it slightly weaker than their recommendations but they do say to start a bit lower and work up until you find your specific amount of acetone to give you the best Mile Per Gallon for you truck.

[RockyF75]

Are you guys saying to use ULP and Acetone together just one of them

Just one of them. And from my limited readings avetone seems the least risky.

[fnqcairns]

Came across this in my Haynes repair manual for a patrol TD4.2

"Petrol in fuel (diesel) up to 30%, isn't usually noticable. At higher ratios , the engine may deveop a knock-ing noise which will get louder as the ratio increases"

Nowhere does it say that damage will occur nor does it say no damage will occur either .

cheers fnq

[LuxyBoy]

Came across this in my Haynes repair manual for a patrol TD4.2

"Petrol in fuel (diesel) up to 30%, isn't usually noticable. At higher ratios , the engine may deveop a knock-ing noise which will get louder as the ratio increases"

Nowhere does it say that damage will occur nor does it say no damage will occur either .

cheers fnq

Haynes are a good GUIDE; but just that i wouldn't trust them as gospel. Definately interesting that they even give it a mention though.
Just my 2 cents

[LuxyBoy]

Any opinions and/or scientific knowledge on running acetone with LPG fumigation in a 3L motor (2.8L Diesel)

Just about to try the acetone and my LPG should be getting fixed this week or next; suddenly thought i had better ask

[whiteknight]

I think its a bit of an overfkill the lpg and acetone both do the same thing in reality - that is burn more of the diesel in the cylinder rather than onyl 70% odd and pushing the rest out the exhaust.

Not very scientific but logical none the less..

[LuxyBoy]

I know they both do the same thing but will it all together make it burn 100%
Will there be even more power/economy
Some one unlock there mad scientist and let them at the computer

[RockyF75]

I spoke to a truckie today who said he's never heard of anyone adding acetone to diesel, and if there was a decent fuel saving additive around he/his company would know about it cause they spend 4k a week on fuel.
I'm still not turned off, but this would be of interest if your using it in Diesel: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... _and_Water

Main page - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory: ... sification

[LuxyBoy]

Quote from those pages:

Water Carrying Properties of Alcohol Compared to Acetone


Adjunct to Acetone as a Fuel Additive page.


WATER CARRYING PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL COMPARED TO ACETONE:

The water carrying properties of alcohol and acetone are essentially the same. One drop of water in many gallons of either alcohol or acetone will completely dissolve. Similarly one drop of acetone or alcohol in many gallons of water will completely dissolve. Neither can be seperated again without major effort.

Obviously the amount of damage to fuel system injectors, etc. is porportional to the amount of water, right on up to pumping pure water through them.

3.5 ozs acetone per 10 gallons gasoline is about a 0.3 percent concentration. ethanol gas contains up to 10 percent of alcohol.

NO damage to fuel injected engines is cause by 10% ethanol else it would be forbidden on the market.

Therefore the same will apply to acetone concentrations up to 10%.

There is no difference in combustion products from acetone compared to alcohol. Both are made up of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen.

Therefore, the water damage done from 10% ethanol in gas will be 50 times worse than that from .3% acetone, as is plainly obvious, and BOTH will depend on how much water you have in your tank from contamination. The alcohol will carry away tank water 50 times faster than the acetone in the concentrations usually used. In the usual trace amounts of water, the ethanol gas will corrode things 50 times faster than acetone use. NEITHER CAUSE ANY PROBLEM, for ethanol gas is used everywhere, and no problems are known to the government or it would prohibit sale of ethanol gas.

As for diesel, without getting into the 57 reported mixtures of disel used in USA, you can be sure some diesels have water carriers similar to acetone or ethanol in them, with NO trouble reported or the mixes would be outlawed. Thus any worry about diesel is trival, and about gasoline is zero.

Therefore I would ignore worries that using acetone in gasoline would cause injector or pump damage. The numbers simply nullify that worry.

[LuxyBoy]

Well i put some in tonight, no noticeable difference as yet.
I accidentally created a backwash affect about 30-60seconds after adding the acetone so hopefully it didn't splash out.
Don't think it did; i put it in and then put the lid on it and placed the container and syringe in the truck then tryed filling up. Thought i would be smart and angle the nosel up to wash any from the side walls of the fuel intake line Stupid me.

I put 85ml in considering i have a 65L tank and allowing 10L low fuel warning light before filling again; so as not too over treat upon filling up again.

I drove side to side and did a bit of jolting with the brakes just to swish it all around. Hopefully i will find out tomorrow that it has worked
Have to do a trip to Bunderberg on the weekend so i should go through a tank fairly quickly (hopefully not)

Anyway i will let you guys know either way.

Thinking i maybe should have done the ULP first to clean the injectors

[ISUZUROVER]

Came across this in my Haynes repair manual for a patrol TD4.2

"Petrol in fuel (diesel) up to 30%, isn't usually noticable. At higher ratios , the engine may deveop a knock-ing noise which will get louder as the ratio increases"

Nowhere does it say that damage will occur nor does it say no damage will occur either .

cheers fnq

In the colder parts of europe it is very common to mix petrol with diesel in diesel cars during winter - to prevent waxing or freezing problems, and to make it still possible to start the engine. Most places they only go up to 30%, but in the depths of places like siberia, 50:50 is not uncommon in the middle of winter when it is -40 or -50 outside. Of course at these temperatures the petrol is a lot more viscous.

[LuxyBoy]

Well i haven't noticed any big difference in power but less smoke. I am going to calculate for the extra 10L and add some more acetone, see what that does.

[SIERRA BANDIT]

im thinkin of trying this out on my dads 2.8l TD pajero and seein if he notices any difference, as it smokes heaps when he first starts it up in the morning and doesnt idle well. this only happens after it hasnt ben started for a while eg overnight. l ve looked at a few threads and just wondering if 25ml-75Ldisel would be a good starting point.

also would i be able to do the same with my 1.3l sierra. if so what mixture would be right.

thanks

[SIERRA BANDIT]

sorry i didnt mention that i was talking about acetone not petrol

[Simo63]

Use of toluene was banned in servos a while ago, caused serious damage to engines (burnt valves, cat converter). The servos did it because it was a cheap way of "stretching" the petrol and ppl didnt notice a tank of anything up to 25% straight toluene occasionally, but those that go their fuel from the one place every week ended up in the sh*t. Toluene is a benzene derivative, IIRC acetone isn't, but may have similar effects to the engine.

We used to mix toluene (or methyl benzine as it was known back then) in our fuel for our 2 stroke flat track bikes and later on when I switched to road racing. I forget the ratio but something like 10 - 20%. It was supposed to increase the octane rating of the fuel. Ahh they were the good old days .. I can remember a little servo at the intersection of Footscray Rd and Barkley St .. used to sell avgas from the pump ... all the hot cars would be fueled from there. I think that is illegal now isn't it?

Anyway, as we got more affluent (yeah right) we started using purpose made racing fuels ... I can remember buying ELF at $6 a litre

And here I am complaining about the price of fuel today .. sheesh, what am I thinking

[Simo63]

I have tried putting about 5% diesel into petrol for my sons Z50 and my ride on mower ... I reckon it made them harder to start when cold but it felt like they went harder when warm (or is that just the "hyclone effect"?)

Might try a bit of ULP in the diesel tomorrow and see what happens.

[high n mighty]

All my works vehicles are diesel

Be damned if Im gunna spend money putting additives into's their vehicles though, but spending $1100 filling two seperate trucks I drove today with diesel was a good feeling

Now, how many steel shavings did you say I had to put down the dip-stick hole?

[justinshere]

So i have a 2.8D Lux non-turbo with 225000 on the clock. Its the standard 70L(ish) tank.
I know im due to get the injectors clean...
Would you reccomend dropping a few litres of unleaded in the tank?
Do u use normal unleaded or premiun...?
Thanks

[LuxyBoy]

So i have a 2.8D Lux non-turbo with 225000 on the clock. Its the standard 70L(ish) tank.
I know im due to get the injectors clean...
Would you reccomend dropping a few litres of unleaded in the tank?
Do u use normal unleaded or premiun...?
Thanks

It will be a 65L tank if standard.
Just came back from a long trip towing a trailer with a 2.8D; used the acetone fuel economy sucked, put in 6L Premium in when i filled up and fuel economy came up about 100Ks per tank and had a bit more power. Still smoked but this should have cleaned the injectors out so i might try the acetone again now.