Bundera Engine Conversion- COMPLETED!!

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:54 am

Than ks for your replies. It seemed from your Holden V6 thread how you didnt want one and didnt like them and then a few opinions changed you so rapidly. It seemed like you were easily led. I tlooks like you may be getting a handle on it so good work and good luck.

Although I would recommend against using a winch in a lifting situation, as they are specifically not designed for that purpose and it is stated in most winch manuals that they are not to be used as a hoist. I personally have used unsafe lifting procedures before. I would advise against it, but am not trying to say I always do things correct. Because I don't!

Post by **Damo** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 9:09 am

bj on roids wrote:Than ks for your replies. It seemed from your Holden V6 thread how you didnt want one and didnt like them and then a few opinions changed you so rapidly. It seemed like you were easily led. I tlooks like you may be getting a handle on it so good work and good luck.

Although I would recommend against using a winch in a lifting situation, as they are specifically not designed for that purpose and it is stated in most winch manuals that they are not to be used as a hoist. I personally have used unsafe lifting procedures before. I would advise against it, but am not trying to say I always do things correct. Because I don't!

Do as I say not as I do :finger:

Post by **BUNDERA** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:57 pm

Thanks for your post BJ, as for the conversion the I have chosen the exact engine from a commodore wreckers in Melbourne, out of a VR with only around 100'000 on the clock getting it complete for around $1000 and comes with a 3mth replacement warranty.

Is costing around $80 toget it all sent down.

I will pay for the order hopefully next week and recieve the engine 3-4days after that!!

As for the winch, my user manual states that it can be used as a hoist for up to 1600kgs so it is all good..

How is your build up going?

I cleaned up the engine bay a bit more today and got rid of more wiring, and put some new condute around some vonrable (sp?) wires.

Anyway it is all looking good.
I have been quoted $240 for the PBR Heavy Duty Clutch Kit (suite the VR engine), which seems to be a good price.

Take it easy all,
Regards,
Nick

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:29 am

nice..... so at least you read instructions. mine had a picture of the winch being used as a hoist and a cross through it like a no smoking sign.

Maybe i shouldnt of tried to roll the winch up and smoke it :idea:

Post by **BUNDERA** » Thu Jul 24, 2003 12:13 pm

Julian would have!! :silly:

Post by **Bundytime** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:35 am

Nick i don't get how u work out the holden motor to be cheaper???? u r paying $1000 bucks for it in melbourne?? and u still need all the adaptors????? The 1G motor is $850 in melbourne and u don't need any adaptors??/ As for spare parts u can get them shipped cheap from melb too........

mmmmmmmmmmmm best of luck!!!!

sorry don't mean to b negative just trying to save u some head aches.

bj on roids wrote: I would seriously harass bundytime for everything he knows about the 1G and go that route!!! He is the bundy master on here!!

sorry couldn't find a big head pic

Cheers Daniel

Post by **suprasurf** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 8:54 am

Surely if you were going to fit the 1G then you might as well go for the 7M and get more power from a similar sized package ??

We've got a dude here with te 1G-GE in a lux and it does go well but has very little low down ?

Post by **hophoar** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:25 am

Nick, did you get a rear dropped sump from Marks? if so can you post a pic of it, I'm looking to move my motor back and thought about one of these.
Don't use a heavy duty clutch kit , either go with the V8 clutch plate and the V6 pressure plate or use what Marks sell. I tried a heavy duty kit and took it out after 10k, Way too heavy.

John.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:35 am

I havn't got a reversed sump as yet. I will try to make one myself before I fork out around $300 for one. If you email Marks I am sure they would be able to send you a photo.

Thanks for your advice Daniel, I know that I will be having to fork out loads of $$ for the adaptors (way more than the actual cost of the engine), but I am still going to go ahead wif me v6 commo engine. I think that this engine will suite my needs better.

Got a few other people interested in my 22r so hopefully I will sell it soon, enabling me to confirm my order.

Cheers,
Nick

Post by **cbr** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 2:38 pm

BUNDERA wrote:I havn't got a reversed sump as yet. I will try to make one myself before I fork out around $300 for one. If you email Marks I am sure they would be able to send you a photo.

Yea right. I ask for a photo and dimenions of the V8 sump so I can see if it was going to suit my application with the diff moved forward and x-over steering. They refused because they said that I would just copy it :shock:

Here is the email ->

Thanks for your recent email. Unfortunately we have no picture of this sump. If I was to give you the measurements that would mean you would be able to make your own. Unfortunately I can't give you these.
Regards
XXXXXXXXX
sales

So how the hell are you meant to know if it is going to fit your application without measurements :?:

IMO they would sell alot more products if they had pics and greater detail of products.

In the end I used an older carbed 308 sump, becuase of the respone from Marks. I would have purchased this product if they had been more forthcoming with information and it suited my application :roll:

I was not going to spend my hard earned cash to only find out it would not fit

Chris.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:10 pm

ok i ordered my engine today....
I changed my mind and bought something different..(not the v6)

all I can say is pshhhhhhhhhhh!!

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:18 pm

Did you order it from Rowlens?

Post by **droopypete** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:36 pm

Sorry to come in late, it looks like you are set on the V6, which is OK but the 4AGE/ZE/TE is as Bundytime sugests, "bolt in", many years ago I had a Bundera chassis I was turning into a mud racer and I put a 4AGTE into it, I used all toyota parts (bellhousing, engine mounts, flywheel, ect, ect) and it looked like it was meant to be there, and these engines have heaps of grunt, I went for a rid in a kit car with a 4AGTE and it hamered, the guy said they usualy put 350 chevs in them but he wanted somthing diferent and it went just as hard, I never went in the 350 one but the 4AGTE was real quick.
Another bonus for me was I paid $950 for the engine and trans and sold the 5 speed box for $500.
Good luck what ever way you go.
Peter.

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:42 pm

What 4A style engine came with a G or W series box behind it? I have never seen this bellhousing in any Toyota.

Post by **droopypete** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:50 pm

Sorry Tony I don't know what a G or W series box is, I do know we swapped in a bellhousing from a pile that we sifted through at the wreckers.
What puzles you Tony, is it the 4A to the Bundera box or the 5 speed that came with it?
Peter.

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:59 pm

Yeah the bundera runs a G52 5spd and a similar bellhousing also fits from a W56 5speed in a Hilux but i have never seen a bellhousing that will go from a 4A to either one of these 5speed Boxes.
Unless the AE86 sprinter ran a G or W series box?
I know all the earlier vehicles that ran a 4A in a rear wheel drive application did not use this box.

Post by **droopypete** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:15 pm

I don't know what it was from Tony but it was stock Toyota no drilling, no grinding, it came from Toyhatsu back when they where in East Kelor.
While I had it all bolted up with a bit of plumbing done I never finished it, I had a 45 body to put on it with fibreglass front but I came across a rolled Bundera soft top body cheap and we fixed it up real nice, the next thing I found I was putting carpet and suspension seats in my mud racer! I had fortunately kept the ID tags that came with the chassis and rego'ed it in about 91 and still drive it today, it has been a top truck, red, 35" muds and an frp top from a MWB cut down to fit (they should have come that way) I have not put a spanner on it from day one.
I may be able to locate that bellhousing in a push.
Peter.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:22 pm

yeah it is coming from rollins.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:24 pm

157kw (double what the 22r produced).

vrooom...pshhhhhh...vrooom...pshhhhhh :rofl:

Post by **droopypete** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:25 pm

What type of engine is it ?
Peter.

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:30 pm

Thanks Peter im not looking for one i was just curious as to what the bellhousing comes from.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:32 pm

Intercooled Six Cylinder 2.0L Twin Turbocharged Supra Engine (1GGTE) !!!

210hp(1GGTE)
105hp(Original 2.4L 22r Engine)

bundytime has the supercharged version which produces 165-185hp

Tony do you know if you can mod the 5 speed alloy supra box so it is 4wd? i doubt it but I thought u would know for sure...

Cheers,
Nick

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:42 pm

The supra box is basicaly the same as the G52 you are running now. Even identical apart from ratios i beleive. The Supra turbo box however is a larger box and i dont think it can be converted.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:53 pm

I thought the supra box was stronger....

Do you think the g52 will be ok?

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:01 pm

If you drive like me NO

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:10 pm

do you think she will be able to lift the front wheel(s)?
or will I break the gearboxbefore I have a chance?

:roll:

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:11 pm

It may get them up once

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:20 pm

so the old g52 is that weak hey?

So would you be able to spin em on the concrete without worrying? I used to be able to...just

What about once it is in gear and then hitting it rather than dumping it. That must be a lot better on it and lest likely to spit it...

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:23 pm

Front bearings in the box are the biggest prob.

Post by **BUNDERA** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 10:27 pm

are they easy to replace ? expensive ?

I am sure I will have to replace a set or two in the near future.

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