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except when you have an accident in an illegal vehicleWebbie wrote:Just move to a regional town where the are very few VICROADS branches or inspectors ,then when/if you get the recall on 35's turn up with a set of your mates 33's and play dumb, ARRRR they were to noisy and fuel consumption sucked so it is back on 33's orifriserwould be worth a try.
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Thy arent gonna care if your car doesnt have a tyre placard, they will simply defect you and ask you to present a document from your manufacturer which specifies the origonal tyre and wheel specifications. Which means youve gotta take time out to chase this up.RockyF70 wrote:Vehicles that came from the factory without one are ok... so i'm hoping mine did. One law they didn't make retrospective.Beastmavster wrote:Then you have an illegal vehicle that is not allowed to be driven on Australian roads, since it does not conform with the ADR that specifies you must have it fitted.RockyF70 wrote:What if you don't have a tyreplacecard???I cant find mine anywhere
- Checked under bonnet, door trims, glovebox.... where can it be?
Sorry, your rig is now spare parts use only..
ADR 24 and 24A came in on the 1/1/87. If your car's build date is before that you are "A-OK" if you dont have a tyre placard. Manufactures may have fitted them but before that stage they were only optional.RockyF70 wrote:oh well, my crapper doesn't and its from 84. And have looked over another rocky on sunday couldn't find one on it eitherBeastmavster wrote:RockyF70 wrote:Vehicles that came from the factory without one are ok... so i'm hoping mine did. One law they didn't make retrospective.Beastmavster wrote:Then you have an illegal vehicle that is not allowed to be driven on Australian roads, since it does not conform with the ADR that specifies you must have it fitted.RockyF70 wrote:What if you don't have a tyreplacecard???I cant find mine anywhere
- Checked under bonnet, door trims, glovebox.... where can it be?
Sorry, your rig is now spare parts use only..
Not if yours is made any time since the early 1970s........... Even early 70's cars mostly had them.. Hatsu prolly forgot to put it on, wouldn't suprise me
My Zuk doesnt have one, and my Rover only specifys rim size!Gribble wrote:ADR 24 and 24A came in on the 1/1/87. If your car's build date is before that you are "A-OK" if you dont have a tyre placard. Manufactures may have fitted them but before that stage they were only optional.RockyF70 wrote:oh well, my crapper doesn't and its from 84. And have looked over another rocky on sunday couldn't find one on it eitherBeastmavster wrote:RockyF70 wrote:Vehicles that came from the factory without one are ok... so i'm hoping mine did. One law they didn't make retrospective.Beastmavster wrote: Then you have an illegal vehicle that is not allowed to be driven on Australian roads, since it does not conform with the ADR that specifies you must have it fitted.
Sorry, your rig is now spare parts use only..
Not if yours is made any time since the early 1970s........... Even early 70's cars mostly had them.. Hatsu prolly forgot to put it on, wouldn't suprise me
So you 84 model hatsi doesn't require one by law, and no-one can tell you that it must be there. If anyone does, RTA or Pink slip inspector, tell them to refer to that ADR.
Its up to the engineer and what he deems safe or not. If he follows this new code buisness then probably not any easier than a new GU patrol.MADZUKI wrote:My Zuk doesnt have one, and my Rover only specifys rim size!Gribble wrote:ADR 24 and 24A came in on the 1/1/87. If your car's build date is before that you are "A-OK" if you dont have a tyre placard. Manufactures may have fitted them but before that stage they were only optional.RockyF70 wrote:oh well, my crapper doesn't and its from 84. And have looked over another rocky on sunday couldn't find one on it eitherBeastmavster wrote:RockyF70 wrote: Vehicles that came from the factory without one are ok... so i'm hoping mine did. One law they didn't make retrospective.
Not if yours is made any time since the early 1970s........... Even early 70's cars mostly had them.. Hatsu prolly forgot to put it on, wouldn't suprise me
So you 84 model hatsi doesn't require one by law, and no-one can tell you that it must be there. If anyone does, RTA or Pink slip inspector, tell them to refer to that ADR.
Would that make it easyer to get a engineers for bigger tires?
you are seeing the bigger picture at last.chimpboy wrote:If they let you have 33s on anything pre 1987, there's a lot of fun to be had with smaller 4WDs. A LOT of fun.
Does anyone not think that our bigger 4WDs are going to go the way of the dodo? We've got:
(a) tougher regulations;
(b) skyrocketing fuel prices;
(c) public hate campaigns;
(d) declining sales of new ones.
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we all poured our money into Sierras and SAS'd Vitaras instead of cruisers, rangies, and patrols.
Umm, thank you. To be honest this isn't something I only just realised.bogged wrote:you are seeing the bigger picture at last.chimpboy wrote:If they let you have 33s on anything pre 1987, there's a lot of fun to be had with smaller 4WDs. A LOT of fun.
Does anyone not think that our bigger 4WDs are going to go the way of the dodo? We've got:
(a) tougher regulations;
(b) skyrocketing fuel prices;
(c) public hate campaigns;
(d) declining sales of new ones.
Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we all poured our money into Sierras and SAS'd Vitaras instead of cruisers, rangies, and patrols.
And it wont be your Vic Roads office counter jockey either, like I said, you need to go to the right dept.......DAMKIA wrote:Yes, but it won't be DOTARS that are pulling us over or issuing the recalls...........ats4x4dotcom wrote:Thats why they have the DOTARS and engineers, as this is where you go for that information, not the Vic Roads office, as they will just get you to contact the right dept anyway.DAMKIA wrote:Ever tried to register a car on the Club Permit Scheme in Vic?AlbyOne wrote:DAMKIA wrote:I've got tomorrow off. I'm going to go to Vicroads and find out for sure.
Enough of this conjecture.............
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Just remember, there are still cars being engineered, and with mods suited to what we do, and all you have to do is download the links on page one, and then book an engineer to get the info you require, as they are now engineering to those new regs as per links in this thread, so, apart from wasting your time at Vic roads tomorrow, im not sure what it is your attempting to achieve, that you could actually do more thoroughly, and more easily, with info you already have at your fingertips, from work, or home.
You soon learn that Vicroads Staff have NFI about anything other than processing a rego renewal or issuing licences.
You'll be there for weeks.
Ok. So I go and look up a new patrol.bazzle wrote:There is a Govt linkf for vehicle specs, susp, weights, rims etc.
http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/pls/wwws ... ify_Search
Bazzle
... and if I've got it right, a new patrol can only have a maximum lift of 36mm (Front) and 46mm (Rear).bogged wrote: A maximum of 100mm in lift over body and suspension is also the maximum allowed, or no more than 1/3 of the original travel.
As long as it is no larger than 50mm in diameter (and around in circles we go................)bogged wrote:From Exploroz..
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/safe ... eb2006.pdf
Hmmmmmmmmm, very interesting..........
I just looked at that site.....page 18 of the 71 page document talks about tyre sizes. Looking at the chart, a vehicle which was manufactured with 265 size tyres, can go up to 385mm size tyres!!!! I think I must have misinterpreted it??
That would make 315/75s quite okay on a Patrol or Cruiser....
Also note the rim sizes they mention, up to 13.5inch on low profile and 10inch rims on 65/85 profile tires..
Am I reading that right?
Supposedly it cannot be changed more than 1/3 either way (above normal travel), but that probably wouldn't stop you from using a sway bar to limit the total "constrained" travel with super long travel suspension, and disconnecting the bar in the bush.muppet_man67 wrote:you need to include droop as well as uptravel? Im guessing it would be about double. I may be wrong.
bogged wrote:From Exploroz..
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/safe ... eb2006.pdf
Hmmmmmmmmm, very interesting..........
I just looked at that site.....page 18 of the 71 page document talks about tyre sizes. Looking at the chart, a vehicle which was manufactured with 265 size tyres, can go up to 385mm size tyres!!!! I think I must have misinterpreted it??
That would make 315/75s quite okay on a Patrol or Cruiser....
Also note the rim sizes they mention, up to 13.5inch on low profile and 10inch rims on 65/85 profile tires..
Am I reading that right?
The one dept is handling the new regs, so, you need to go to an engineer, to get the low down on the regs, because you dont have access to the dept they do, while they train up the rest of the staff.DAMKIA wrote:As long as it is no larger than 50mm in diameter (and around in circles we go................)bogged wrote:From Exploroz..
http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/safe ... eb2006.pdf
Hmmmmmmmmm, very interesting..........
I just looked at that site.....page 18 of the 71 page document talks about tyre sizes. Looking at the chart, a vehicle which was manufactured with 265 size tyres, can go up to 385mm size tyres!!!! I think I must have misinterpreted it??
That would make 315/75s quite okay on a Patrol or Cruiser....
Also note the rim sizes they mention, up to 13.5inch on low profile and 10inch rims on 65/85 profile tires..
Am I reading that right?
You reckon we've got no idea....neither have Vicroads. No-one there has done any training on the implementation of the new rules, and they have no clear indication yet on how to interpret the bulk of the rules. They too are "winging it" for the moment, doing as directed from the minister. (from Clayton Vicraods). Spent an hour and a half there, walked away with the distinct feeling that it is a bit of an election "clean-up" to prove the Govt are doing "something" about the nasty 4WD's.
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was what I was told about the recalling of registrations, as this is not really what Vicroads want (not without a hefty increase in funding/staffing). I guess we have three months to put pen to paper, AND TO VISIT THE MP's PERSONALLY. If enough ppl knock on their door and organise meetings with them they have to listen.
I only want 31'sGribble wrote:Its up to the engineer and what he deems safe or not. If he follows this new code buisness then probably not any easier than a new GU patrol.MADZUKI wrote:My Zuk doesnt have one, and my Rover only specifys rim size!Gribble wrote:ADR 24 and 24A came in on the 1/1/87. If your car's build date is before that you are "A-OK" if you dont have a tyre placard. Manufactures may have fitted them but before that stage they were only optional.RockyF70 wrote:oh well, my crapper doesn't and its from 84. And have looked over another rocky on sunday couldn't find one on it eitherBeastmavster wrote:
Not if yours is made any time since the early 1970s........... Even early 70's cars mostly had them.. Hatsu prolly forgot to put it on, wouldn't suprise me
So you 84 model hatsi doesn't require one by law, and no-one can tell you that it must be there. If anyone does, RTA or Pink slip inspector, tell them to refer to that ADR.
Would that make it easyer to get a engineers for bigger tires?
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