Hypothetical: Your ideal fourby

[grazza]

Hypothetical: Ideal all-purpose, reliable and bush-serviceable 4wd

OK, there is a massive amount of collective knowledge on this forum, with many owners of Cruisers, Hiluxs, Landies, Patrols, etc. Here is a thread for people to provide their ideas, in order to come up with the "ideal all-purpose, reliable and bush-serviceable 4wd" for long-rangetouring and rough tracks (not extreme - maybe for another "hyptothical" discussion)

This would be like a lego/mechano kit where everything theoretically fits together.

So, if you could build a fantasy fourby in this context (OEM parts) what would it be made of?

I'll start the ball rolling:

Chassis: Nissan GU chassis, 5-speed manual gearbox, transfer case & diffs
Body: Landrover 130 dual-cab body, Paratus seats, rubber mat floors
Engine: VW Toureg V10 turbo-diesel engine (perhaps not very bush-serviceable but)
Wheels: 15X8 sunraysia steelies
Tyres: 35" Simex JT2
Other: Unimog portal axles, TJM Prolocker diff centres, Safari snorkel, hydraulic winch (with electric pump backup) ARB Deluxe winch bar & brush bars, Kaymar rear bar & wheel carrier

Anyone else care to specify their ideal, in this context? C'mon, have a go...

[DamTriton]

Unimog portals already have lockers (cable operated)

If you have the gearing, wheelbase and track, then go 44 boggers.

[simkell]

Unimog portals already have lockers (cable operated)

why cable they also have air operated locking diffs.

[grazza]

Unimog portals already have lockers (cable operated)

If you have the gearing, wheelbase and track, then go 44 boggers.

Showing my ignorance - I thought portals were still driven from a diff.

Anyway Damkia - whats your ideal?

[+dj_hansen+]

I really love the Red 75 series that was in 4WD Monthly a few issues back, but with a few modifications of my own

Body/Chassis: Extra cab 79 series on fully re-engineered chassis with 2" body lift to accomodate drive train lift.
Powerplant: 1HDTFE or 6.6 Duramax Chev, both with extensive internal strenghtening/modification, turbo/pump work, water-air intercooler.
Drive train: GU housings, Haultech CV's, Air Lockers F&R
Externals: Full custom bar work - bull bar, sliders, tray.
Internal: recaro seats, fully insulated/sound deadened, complete re-wire with relays/computer/fuses in sealed box high up in cab, comp spec stereo, aux Oil, EGT, temp, and Air-tank guages.
Tyres: 36" Simex, 37" Boggers and 37" MT/Rs for DD all on american racing rims with internal beadlocks.
Suspension: Lovells springs, tough dog big bore shocks/LTRs, D/C sway bars, twin shocks front and rear.
Others: LF 240 HID Spots, Hella Predator spreads, 24v Hi Mount with Mal Leslie rebuild/synthetic rope/air cooled/air free-spool, LED running/rear/underbody lights, DGPS into Oziexplorer on PDA, triple Yellow top batteries, fluffy dice, twin safari snorkels.

Ill add some more after my dreams tonite

[wrksux]

100 series cruiser, choped into a dualcab. dont have pics but ala ih8mud one from moab looked awsome, like a facotry job.

portals with gearing for upto 120-130 speed.

36 tsl swampers.

front and rear highmount winches, air operated brake, presureised blah blah

pressureised drive train

6.5l chev v8 turbo diesel

lightforce all round, custom bar and exo cage.

[grazza]

I really love the Red 75 series that was in 4WD Monthly a few issues back, but with a few modifications of my own

Body/Chassis: Extra cab 79 series on fully re-engineered chassis with 2" body lift to accomodate drive train lift.
Powerplant: 1HDTFE or 6.6 Duramax Chev, both with extensive internal strenghtening/modification, turbo/pump work, water-air intercooler.
Drive train: GU housings, Haultech CV's, Air Lockers F&R
Externals: Full custom bar work - bull bar, sliders, tray.
Internal: recaro seats, fully insulated/sound deadened, complete re-wire with relays/computer/fuses in sealed box high up in cab, comp spec stereo, aux Oil, EGT, temp, and Air-tank guages.
Tyres: 36" Simex, 37" Boggers and 37" MT/Rs for DD all on american racing rims with internal beadlocks.
Suspension: Lovells springs, tough dog big bore shocks/LTRs, D/C sway bars, twin shocks front and rear.
Others: LF 240 HID Spots, Hella Predator spreads, 24v Hi Mount with Mal Leslie rebuild/synthetic rope/air cooled/air free-spool, LED running/rear/underbody lights, DGPS into Oziexplorer on PDA, triple Yellow top batteries, fluffy dice, twin safari snorkels.

Ill add some more after my dreams tonite

FECK!

but..."1HDTFE or 6.6 Duramax Chev" which & why? no or's allowed...

[justinC]

I really love the Red 75 series that was in 4WD Monthly a few issues back, but with a few modifications of my own

Body/Chassis: Extra cab 79 series on fully re-engineered chassis with 2" body lift to accomodate drive train lift.
Powerplant: 1HDTFE or 6.6 Duramax Chev, both with extensive internal strenghtening/modification, turbo/pump work, water-air intercooler.
Drive train: GU housings, Haultech CV's, Air Lockers F&R
Externals: Full custom bar work - bull bar, sliders, tray.
Internal: recaro seats, fully insulated/sound deadened, complete re-wire with relays/computer/fuses in sealed box high up in cab, comp spec stereo, aux Oil, EGT, temp, and Air-tank guages.
Tyres: 36" Simex, 37" Boggers and 37" MT/Rs for DD all on american racing rims with internal beadlocks.
Suspension: Lovells springs, tough dog big bore shocks/LTRs, D/C sway bars, twin shocks front and rear.
Others: LF 240 HID Spots, Hella Predator spreads, 24v Hi Mount with Mal Leslie rebuild/synthetic rope/air cooled/air free-spool, LED running/rear/underbody lights, DGPS into Oziexplorer on PDA, triple Yellow top batteries, fluffy dice, twin safari snorkels.

Ill add some more after my dreams tonite

I can't add much more to that than perhaps tossing the lockers in favour of Haultec ETC? I'd also do without ANY form of ECU (EXCEPT the ETC)in the vehicle. I would want to start and stop the thing with a piece of coat hanger if I had to.

JC

[grazza]

The "real world" reliability is the key here. Lets look at reliability over power. Maybe a 4-cyl big-bore motor is better than a high-tech V10, maybe ETC will be a better option than lockers, maybe a 2" lift is better than a 6" lift fro longevity - I dont know...

Lets hear from the regulars....

[justinC]

The "real world" reliability is the key here. Lets look at reliability over power. Maybe a 4-cyl big-bore motor is better than a high-tech V10, maybe ETC will be a better option than lockers, maybe a 2" lift is better than a 6" lift fro longevity - I dont know...

Lets hear from the regulars....

Well, in my 'quest' for reliability(don't anyone laugh...) I've ditched the 4.7 EFI petrol V8, I've fitted the big bore 4 cyl turbo diesel, I've fitted the tried and tested albeit agricultural 4 cog Landy box after lunching 3 autos, I'm about to fit 'Fender diffs and 35's. I still have modest 2" suspension lift, 2.5" body lift, a choke cable in the dash to pull when u want to stop the mtr, no stereo anymore, frontmount intercooler, no electric seats, hose out interior, EF falcon $10 cargo barrier modified to fit, etc, I love it to death and I really don't want to part with it, for any $$$.
Maybe Grazza, you should also include in this thread a section for those who want to explain why they have done what to their vehicles?

JC

[grazza]

This is what this tread is about - refinement.

Ditching this motor for that, getting the right body and suspension lift ratio's, maybe thinking about the interior surfaces after a 'round Australia trip...

ya know...

[bubs]

Chassis: Tube chassis, B260 axles front and rear
Body: Hilux 4th gen extra cab
Engine: Turbo charged 3RZ-FE, Toyota Auto, Atlas II
Wheels: 15X9 Beadlocs
Tyres: 39" BFG Krawlers
Other: Fawkin lower than my current build, 3 link + panhard front and rear, King coil overs plus much more

[grazza]

Chassis: Tube chassis, B260 axles front and rear
Body: Hilux 4th gen extra cab
Engine: Turbo charged 3RZ-FE, Toyota Auto, Atlas II
Wheels: 15X9 Beadlocs
Tyres: 39" BFG Krawlers
Other: Fawkin lower than my current build, 3 link + panhard front and rear, King coil overs plus much more

What's a "tube chassis"? - pick one...

Dont forget - tourer - and I mean something to go reliably around Australia - its a Big Country.

[pongo]

my ideal fourby is one i didnt have to pay for, repair and fill up the fuel tank on a weekly bassis.

After that some thing similiar to the ABT buggy would be kinda nice for a weekend toy. Just need somewhere to put the baby seat to keep it a family day out.

cheers

[bubs]

exactly that, a custom built tube chassis to fit around the body - 4th gen my suspensions linked and yes it would be reliable enough to go touring in, even though that wont be for a while

[justinC]

This is what this tread is about - refinement.

Ditching this motor for that, getting the right body and suspension lift ratio's, maybe thinking about the interior surfaces after a 'round Australia trip...

ya know...

HA! Don't get me started on Gear ratios, thats why I've gone for the35's....

JC

[MQSWBUTE]

gu body uted and chopped to suit gq chassis
4in spring lift
cut arches
36 pedes
front n rear lockers
duel fox shox every corner
light force lights everywhere
hi mount with twin 24v motor plasma rope
sandys front bar
cheesys rear bar
4.2litre turbo diesel
beadlocks
roll cage
harnesses
recaro seats
gps/lappy setup
front windscreen dimister like gqhoons
hid coverted headlights
jenny hawkins as my navi

thats about it ...am i asking to much

[Woop]

My ideal truck........

Body:Landrover 109 Something different...
Chassis:Landrover 110/Defender shortened to 100"WB
Engine: Isuzu 4He1 with 6speed trans and LT230 transfer.
Axles:Rear- offset Nissan H260 (G60 patrol) widened and mated to drop boxes with Landrover 101 hubs. Front-Nissan H233B (GU) with Drop boxes and Landrover 101 Hubs.
Suspension:Crosslinked airbags all round-Watts link in rear, 5 link in front. Landrover Disco ACE system to maintain some sort of handling .
Steering: Full hydraulic with Electric pump as backup.
Other stuff: On-Board air using Airbrake compressor with Electric clutch, Hydralic winch with 30L tank and pump driven off the Isuzu Trans PTO point, mid mounted to enable front and rear winching. 240V Generator driven off the LT230 PTO point for powering a welder,grinder etc.
Tyres:39" Boggers...

Nick

[midnight]

Chassis: Anything coiled.
Diffs: Mogs.
Engine: 6.5 Chev V8 Turbo Diesel.
Body: LWB Suzuki Sierra with a Maruti wall.
Wheels & Tyres: 15" Sunnys, 39" Claws.
Extras: 5" Spring lift, 3" Body lift, Lots of barwork, Suspension seats, Fully decked out sound gear, UHF, EPIRB, Rod holders, Rods, Drawers in the back,
Some form of Camper trailer, Compass, Fluffy dice on mirror .

That should do me, Pity it cant be LEGALLY done :(

[NCpaj]

my ideal truck


75 series ute

ENGINE - 350chev (ohhhh v8 sound)(but need lots more fuel)
-2 inch body lift
SUSPENSION -5 inch suspension lift
DIFFS -mog diffs
TYRES -36" pedes on flipped rims/beadlocked

OTHERSTUFF -full tube tray
-steel bar work EVERYWHERE
-6 points roll cage
-comfy obx race seats
-all the usual UHF water subs epirb etc
-big air tank
-atleast 6 lightforce 240 hid
-one of those crazy chain driven pto Winches

[Roctoy]

Registered and legal or full off road comp?

[Tiny]

based on this being a tourer

GU ute, 4.2TD with front mount intercooler, high flowed turbo etc, pretty much how my old GU was, but with 4" lift not 2" with 34" JTs lockers

Rockrawler

tube chassis (unlimited class)
single seater LHS bias
mog diffs
350 chev, injected
atlas
6speed auto
37" BFG Crawlers

[HLX40L]

This

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=84607

[ofr57]

well i would go for something like a new F250 so you got heaps of space then drop something like a W211 deasil engine out of a mercadies (140kW ,400Nm)


then give it a custom front winch bar with a warn 9000
lockers front and rear ... and tranfer case
3 inchs of suspension lift
2 inches body lift
200 litre fuel tank + standard tank
80 litre water tank
snokel
4 big light forces for the roof and 2 smaller one on the bullbar
cover for the tub tinted windows for those hot days
bigger radiotor too
uhf
33" maxxis bighorns
water heater thingy in the engines to have hot showers in the middle of nowhere
hid coverted headlights
triple battery system
endless air so i can run air tools if i need
20 litre air tank
and ........
eletric supercharger
and 3 hiclones
should have plenty of power shouldn't it

[Dee]

Chassis: Nissan GU chassis, GU diffs, Atlas twin stick type transfer case, custom link suspension setup.
Body: GU Patrol wagon, fully waterproof interior up to the windows.
Engine: All alloy Injected 454 crate motor, supercharged, twin 4" stainless exhaust
Wheels & Tyres: 15X10 Mickey Thomspon Classics-mech beadlocks, 38" swampers
External: On board endless air compressor, Air lockers, twin Stainless snorkels, Front and rear winch, mounted in ultra low profile custom steel bumpers & bar work with tyre carrier, lightforce spotties,
Internal: fully intergrated entertainment system with dvd player, in dash, flip down and headrest mounted screens, with GPS & sat nav, instant music library via ipod plug in etc. Crazy bucket seats, rear drawer system, fridge and anything else i havent thought of...

[hokey]

well i would go for something like a new F250 so you got heaps of space then drop something like a W211 deasil engine out of a mercadies (140kW ,400Nm)

ummm wouldn't that be going down in power

[NZ4x4]

My ideal truck that would be used for weekend play, hunting, winch comps, off-road racing and scaring boy racers.

• Nissan GQ Patrol chopped into a tray back (altered to mid wheelbase)
• 4.5 litre fully worked turbo intercooled petrol (Nissan)
• Fox Racing Coil over shocks and triple bypass shocks on each corner
• Laminated GQ diffs with appropriate ratios
• Front and rear ARB air lockers
• 36” Simex Extreme Trekkers on custom beadlock rims for hard work and 37” MTR’s on the same rims for tarmac/gravel and easier work.
• Chromoly 4 point rear cage and tray and 4 point internal chromoly cage
• On Track style front bar (designed for hydraulic winch), rear bar and sliders
• Superwinch hydraulic winch with plasma rope (properly set up with hi flow pump, large reservoir etc)
• Hella Predator 4000 lights (2 on bull bar, 4 on roof and 1 rear facing)
• Race tech bucket seats and 4 point clubman harnesses (for winch comps and normal driving) and 6 point harnesses (for off road racing) and
• LED brake and turning lights
• Custom alloy skid plates
• Interior striped (including dash), custom made dash with VDO gauges, GPS, UHF, etc
• Interior rewired for ease of cleaning and waterproofing
• Cab completely waterproofed (all holes welded/sealed up)
• Body off interior and exterior respray; Rhino lined interior (complete interior including roof) and flat black exterior.
• Mandrel bent stainless snorkel.
• Large air compressor (with back up compressor) feeding into a tank.



If purely for a tourer

• Nissan GU Patrol
• fully worked 4.2 turbo intercooled diesel
• 4” spring lift and triple bypass shocks
• ARB front bar with 9000lb warn winch and Hella Predator 4000 lights and ARB side bars
• Kaymar rear bar
• 35” MTR’s on beadlock rims
• Custom stainless snorkel
• ARB roof rack
• Outback roller drawers and Milford cargo barrier
• Front and rear ARB air lockers and appropriate diff ratios

[mule75]

my ideal fourby wouldn't be a tourer but if i could have 2 without being too unrealistic they would be:

weekender: 80 series chass, 78 cab, 4.5 turbo cooled heavily modded, 5 link front, a frame rear with 6in coils, f+r airlockers, 36 pedes on ext beadlocked 15x10 steelies, custom bar, sliders and tube tray with roll cage. warn 24v mounted under tray.twin transfer. all the normal uhf, gps ect...

tourer: 100 series cut into extra cab, four in coils, turbo cooled diesel, take it to arb and get all of their overpriced goodies (sub tanks, lockers 60l engle ect...) custom tray/canopy bed draws, cooker, 35in bfg muddies, twin spare wheel carrier on back, 10ft tinny on roof, warn high mount. uhf, flying docs, gps, blah blah blah.

[ofr57]

well i would go for something like a new F250 so you got heaps of space then drop something like a W211 deasil engine out of a mercadies (140kW ,400Nm)

ummm wouldn't that be going down in power

dunno but i thought f250's only come out with petrol motors in aus ... anyways it would be cool cutting up a rich snobs car just to put an engine into a 4wd hehehe

[Vulcanised]

my ideal truck would be......
5.0 litre V8
auto
6" coils
35" wranglers (maybe 37s)
twin locked
dropped 3rds arms
tube bar
chopped quarters etc..........

hang on........... i already have it I'm working towards making mine MY ideal truck.... getting there!!!