CCDA - M/SHIP CARDS AND NEWSLETTER - Did u get your copy??

[Alison]

I went to the CCDA General Meeting last night to find out a Newsletter with proposed rules changes for next year had been sent out - did everyone get a copy??.

This I did not receive or know anything about, but that is currently being resloved.

The gripe that I have is that I had been at the previous meeting in September, (there wasn't one in Oct cause of 4WD Show) and a ballot was meant to be sent out with the propsed changes, instead they will just be inplimented unless people speak up.

CCDA is being manipulated by a few people and no one seems to be speaking up.

What does everything think about the change in tyre size rules?

What do people think of the change in winches rule being for Electric & PTO/Hydraulic???

Regards
Alison

[STIKA]

I have been a member od CCDA for the past 2 years and never have i recieved any corospondance from them.

so what are the new rules?

[sierrajim]

I hear that the tyre gauge now fits the Pro Comp X-terrain. What else is changing?

[Alison]

CCDA's committee have proposed that Tyres sizes for Trophy Class shall be limited to 35.5 x 13.5 and must pass through a guage with internal dimensions of 900mm and 343 mm @ 20 PSI.

Challenge Class has a limit of 37.5 x13.5 and must pass through a guage with internal dimension os 950mm and 350mm @ 20 PSI.

A couple of things I have a problem with is
1. Does this mean every event needs to adopt two classes???
2. When will the tyre size inceases ever stop???

The next issue is the Winch Restrictions

For Standard, Touring and Trophy Class - All vehicles must be fitted with one (and only one) operational powered winch (when required).
Electric winches may have some additional bracing, improved bearings and improved lubrication and an alternative DC Motor with upgraded controls, but must remain in it's original configuration.
PTO and Hydraulic winches they must be designed by the supplier.

For Challenge & Open Class
All vehicles must be fitted with operational powered winch(s) (when required).
Electric Winches may be modified including multiple motors and gearboxes and upgraded controls.
PTO and Hydraulic winches must be as designed by the supplier

The issues I see
1. Again does this mean every event is going to has 2 classes of vehicles.
2. Why should their be restrictions on PTO and Hydraulic Winches when you can do whatever you like to electric winches???

[Tiny]

I dont see an issue with the tyre sizes, look back at the measurment to allow the pedes in, whick was the tyre of coice for OBC, thngs chane, manafacturers change tyres etc, and a slightly larger tyre size to cater for more choice is not a bad thing, but not allowing modified pto and huydraulic winches sounds a bit sus to me.

I let my membership slide, but will need to rejoin next year, when I was a member i didnt get any litreture though

imo all members should be notified, and there should be more tranperency in the association

[Ossie]

Steph & I both received the infomation etc, it waas the week prior to the Melbourne 4wd show, I then rtalked to Paul V about the changes and the impact on the OBC 07.

As for the changes... tyres up to 37's seems resonable, it is only a slight increase from what they were, and there are more options available that now fit. Would I run 37's.. don't know, if they go bigger .... I don't think it would be good.

Winches, limiting pto & hydraulic modifications in challenge an open..."as designed by the supplier".... that still leaves a lot of options. Who is the supplier? If a company (like brawn did) value added to a hydraulic and improves a mile marker and then branded it as a winch, aren't they the supplier then???

As for two classes.... MMM is going down that path, who knows the OBC may have two classes again in the future.

my 2 c's

Jason

[tuf355]

i have received my card two years in a row . rules all good with me

[Alison]

Tiny

As for the rules being made to suit Simex tyres is incorrect, Simex produced the 36" Centipede after the rules were made, so they made their tyre within specification.

The tyre change has been the 37.5 not 37", doe this mean that we can run 38" Boggers again, this was why the 36.5" rules was put in place to eliminate these tyres.

Also in reference to the PTO & Hydraulic Winches, why is it that you can modify Electric Winches to the extreme, whilst according to CCDA you aren't allow to modify any PTO or Hydraulic at all.

These people make rules to suit themselves, not taking into consideration other people.

The Kiwis run alot of modified PTO & Hyraulics, does this mean their cars won't comply with CCDA Rules for Outback Challenge???

[Smithy jnr]

Please note the rules are in draft form and comments/feedback is greatly encouraged and appreciated.
It is not intentioned the the Challenge & Open class have any restrictions on the PTO & hydraulic winch modifications, in the same way that they have vertually no restrictions on the electric winchs. If this is currently noted on the draft rules it will be ammended.
The intention was to maintain a level where the other class's were limited in the winch modifications, to keep the costs down in line with some of the other restrictions on these class's, such as tyre size, suspension, etc.

Hope this helps clarify the situation.

[Alison]

I think there needs to be more discussion, especially with Event Organisers first, about the running of 2 Classes before these changes can be implimented.

I also think there needs to be a correct procedure put into place for any rule changes.

I have spoken to quite a few people today who haven't received a Newsletter or Membership Card.

[Cheezy4x4]

I think there needs to be more discussion, especially with Event Organisers first, about the running of 2 Classes before these changes can be implimented.

I also think there needs to be a correct procedure put into place for any rule changes.

I have spoken to quite a few people today who haven't received a Newsletter or Membership Card.

Ditto Alison.

Also If you mod a highmount with 2 motors ect ect is it still safe
You are still using the same gears, case ect holding you on an 60 deg hill.
What happens when the extra torque brakes the case sending the competitor backwards into the crowd. Is the winch way past the manufactures specs and who is testing this.

Just my 2c worth.

[Drafty]

We recieved our cards and newsletter with draft rule changes just before the 4x4 show as ossie did

[embryo]

doe this mean that we can run 38" Boggers again,

if it fits in the guage then yes. they dont care what your tyre side wall says in regard to size, they are interested in the the "real" size. making it "fair" for all.

not suggesting that strings are getting pulled to suit selected ppl

[Webbie]

l would like to bring up memberships not lasting a calender year i think this needs to be addressed not a very easy setup during comp season people saying but l have paid this year or l paid at vic winch and then realise the membership was only good for the remainder of the finacial year.
Could this be looked at as well l was a founding member and didn't recieve info or updates will this be likely to change.just some observations .Cheers

[Ruffy]

I have been a member od CCDA for the past 2 years and never have i recieved any corospondance from them.

so what are the new rules?

X2

I'm nearly over them. They couldn't even get my name right on my card. Was suppossed to have been done on the replacement card... still waiting.

[moose]

l would like to bring up memberships not lasting a calender year i think this needs to be addressed not a very easy setup during comp season people saying but l have paid this year or l paid at vic winch and then realise the membership was only good for the remainder of the finacial year.
Could this be looked at as well l was a founding member and didn't recieve info or updates will this be likely to change.just some observations .Cheers

X2 !!

organising competitors , & trying to explain to them why there CCDA membership , (that they paid in april) , is expired & needs to be repayed !!

competitors work there arse,s off to get to events , only to get slugged for more financial outlay when they get there !!

needs to be looked at !!!!

my .02c !!!
Moose

[Alison]

Is there anything else CCDA Members would like to be bring to the attention of the CCDA Committee.

A couple of things I will already bring up is the procedures in place for rule changes occuring and how this is decided upon. Is this just decided by a small few or do the members voice their opinion.

Memberships lasting a financial year.

I wonder what CCDA would be like if it was run under CAMS???

[Tiny]

I wonder what CCDA would be like if it was run under CAMS???

dont start

I think CCDA certainly has a place, but they need to work out where that place is and it is not going to be all things for all men

[gqpete]

I think there needs to be more discussion, especially with Event Organisers first, about the running of 2 Classes before these changes can be implimented.

I also think there needs to be a correct procedure put into place for any rule changes.

I have spoken to quite a few people today who haven't received a Newsletter or Membership Card.

Ditto Alison.

Also If you mod a highmount with 2 motors ect ect is it still safe
You are still using the same gears, case ect holding you on an 60 deg hill.
What happens when the extra torque brakes the case sending the competitor backwards into the crowd. Is the winch way past the manufactures specs and who is testing this.

Just my 2c worth.

ive seen single motor 12v highmounts break, split cases and strip gears. i know of single motor highmounts that are even faster under load than twin motored winches. as for pto and hydraulic winches, a pto is as powerfull as the motor spinning it. put 200 plus kw through one and watch that break rope like its shoelace, going backwards into the crowd. even know of someone who's figured out how to get a final ratio of 1:1 from a pto ( winch as fast as you can drive), with the mount of torque running through it, i sure dont want to be standing anywhere near that when it breaks. that will make 24v highmounts look like a turfer winch. think the line has to be drawn soon.

[jack2]

I've seen plenty of ropes break during winching comps, sometimes the vehicle runs backwards down the hill, so what does it matter if it's the rope or the winch that lets go, the result is exactly the same.

[Alison]

Then you could bring up the strength of rope vs wire and how dangerous wire can be when it breaks.

I'm not doubting the strength of the winches once they have been moded, because there can be so many variables in a car with winch failure, most of the time rope breaking failure is due to driver control and skill. If you are winching straight into a rock ledge and still keeping you finger on that button instead of repositioning yourself into a better position where the cable won't be broken.

Where do you draw the line???

How do you determine suspension mods done on your car are strong enough, who tests this unless it's engineered.

Is that the next step for everything, having all cars engineered.

Have a look at what you are saying about winches, it's the same thing.
I'm quite happy to see people with upgraded winches, I think it makes the competition all the more interesting, I'm sure if you are going to spend that much on winch mods, it's going to be tough. I would just like to see things equal across to board in fairness.

[bogged]

I've seen plenty of ropes break during winching comps, sometimes the vehicle runs backwards down the hill, so what does it matter if it's the rope or the winch that lets go, the result is exactly the same.

in reality the crowd should be nowhere near the direct line at the bottom of the hill anyway, to prevent this... but it doesnt happen. people will always jump barriers etc.

[Big Red Toy]

didn't get mine yet
i signed up at vic winch

[gqpete]

[quote="Alison"]Then you could bring up the strength of rope vs wire and how dangerous wire can be when it breaks.



How do you determine suspension mods done on your car are strong enough, who tests this unless it's engineered.

Is that the next step for everything, having all cars engineered.

1. rope or wire they will both break.

2. just because you've developed and engineered your own susp doesn't mean it will never fail. cars cop alot of abuse and things break even if engineered

[MYTTUF]

There have been a few changes in the way the CCDA is doing things. One thing I have control over is a newsletter that I will endeavour to be publishing 10 times a year which will include CCDA news including rule changes to both the competition side of things as well as class specs, product reviews, event news and other related info. If you have any info you would like published please email it to me at info@autobalance.com.au and I will endeavour to add it to the newsletter. Oh and if all goes well the first one may even be out this year.
Jonesy

[Big Red Toy]

There have been a few changes in the way the CCDA is doing things. One thing I have control over is a newsletter that I will endeavour to be publishing 10 times a year which will include CCDA news including rule changes to both the competition side of things as well as class specs, product reviews, event news and other related info. If you have any info you would like published please email it to me at info@autobalance.com.au and I will endeavour to add it to the newsletter. Oh and if all goes well the first one may even be out this year.
Jonesy

How can i get my ccda card then??? i did sign up & hand over the cash

[MYTTUF]

I dunno as I believe all membership cards went out b4 vic Winch. Try ringing Roger Smith at Beadlock Australia as he is the membership registar.
Jonesy

[Webbie]

I've seen plenty of ropes break during winching comps, sometimes the vehicle runs backwards down the hill, so what does it matter if it's the rope or the winch that lets go, the result is exactly the same.

in reality the crowd should be nowhere near the direct line at the bottom of the hill anyway, to prevent this... but it doesnt happen. people will always jump barriers etc.

Not at our comp they wont cause they will be out on their ass and l guarentee 1 more thing l dont tollerate dickheads which jeapardise the comp or other poeples saftey.

[TRobbo]

Firstly let me say I am not for or against the ccda, but work with them to help me with running the ateco for the betterment of competitors.
It appears from the tone of responses that one of the problems is people are not getting information that is supposedly sent out. I registered in July this year and have since received information in the mail including a membership card. Perhaps part of the problem may be due to people changing address or the ccda having incorrect address details. So perhaps a solution to that problem would be to enable people to update their details online via the ccda web page. Of course if Jonsey posts the newsletter on the ccda web page that would help also. I will raise those issues on your behalf.

And before you start, I can see from the dissatisfied responsdents who have posted here that not all of you have changed address. This is only one part of the problem.

[Alison]

I believe that having a newletter will be a huge benefit to CCDA. Members are not informed enough about the changes and discussions that go on with CCDA.

Hopefully the newsletter will help.

It would be good to have the minutes of the CCDA meetings, calendar and event results.