Outer Limits 4x4 Board

GUJohnno wrote:That's some excellent work you're doing there.
Will be interesting to see some pricing when it's done.

Tks, these will never be a cheap intercooler compared to what's on the market. The water pump is a couple of hundred, the 90 degree speed flow fittings $45 each you need 8 plus 8 straight ones for the other end. Radiators and piping. The machined ends caps are cost effective, it's ok doing them as a one off for your own use, but when you start to add the hours up doing it like that no body would be interested as the cost would be way too hi. It all adds up, but I do believe you get what you pay for, these Laminova cores have a huge heat soak and excellent dissipation and there extruded design gives excellent strength, just hope we can keep picking them up on Ebay for a reasonable price.

At the end of the day an intercooler like mine will be cheaper than what Awill4x4 is fabricating, it all comes down to what you want and are prepared to pay for as well . Building it into the plenum has some good performance attributes. I think our final costs and price will be of interest to those who need something that works so well off road other wise I would not be investing in 100 end caps.


All ready for final testing just need to add a loop of stainless steel braided hoes and plug the air back in and drop it in the water tank.

matt.mcinnes wrote:speed flow fittings $45 each you need 8 plus 8 straight ones

holy crap

is there no cheaper solution for these fittings?

Shadow wrote:

matt.mcinnes wrote:speed flow fittings $45 each you need 8 plus 8 straight ones

holy crap

is there no cheaper solution for these fittings?

They may cost a little less if I bought bulk.

But you have to have a little bit of bling

how far away are the GU intercoolers?

matt.mcinnes wrote:

Shadow wrote:

matt.mcinnes wrote:speed flow fittings $45 each you need 8 plus 8 straight ones

holy crap

is there no cheaper solution for these fittings?

They may cost a little less if I bought bulk.

But you have to have a little bit of bling

Nothing wrong with Bling

Hoonz wrote:how far away are the GU intercoolers?

This faaaaaar


http://www.whereis.com/?id=26EB842113D3E7

cunny funt

Hoonz wrote:cunny funt

I have not looked under the bonnet of the GU as yet it was hard enought to bring myself to look under the GQ

But I'm sure if some one seriously wants one we can look into it. Though it is easier to have a truck to work with.

yeh i would offer our trucks but we're in perth damnnit

matt.mcinnes wrote:

Hoonz wrote:cunny funt

I have not looked under the bonnet of the GU as yet it was hard enought to bring myself to look under the GQ

But I'm sure if some one seriously wants one we can look into it. Though it is easier to have a truck to work with.

Welcome to check mine out of your interested..

bogged wrote:

matt.mcinnes wrote:

Hoonz wrote:cunny funt

I have not looked under the bonnet of the GU as yet it was hard enought to bring myself to look under the GQ

But I'm sure if some one seriously wants one we can look into it. Though it is easier to have a truck to work with.

Welcome to check mine out of your interested..

Only if you change your avatar

The generic end caps are now complete so if any one want's any feel free to PM me I had a 100 made to suit a dash 8 fittings.

End Caps $30 each.
Support ring and O-ring are $5 a set.

Generic tubes are also available at $50 each for housing the Laminova cores used in my intercooler.

End plates can be made to order POA

Fabrication see AWill4x4 or if you require something special he love s a challenge

Caught up with Awill4x4 today all I can say is

Coming along nicely.

lookin really good fellas

A third design is underway, these three will be the mainstay of what we have in mind for now depending on the application they go into and where the air goes in and out

How many cores to replace a PWR 6X10 barrel? Or isn't it that easy?
A new manifold for mine with these would be easy as then I could use top feed injectors which are a lot more readily avaialble.

nzdarin wrote:How many cores to replace a PWR 6X10 barrel? Or isn't it that easy?
A new manifold for mine with these would be easy as then I could use top feed injectors which are a lot more readily avaialble.

It's not really a question of HP but how much boost are you running and your estimated intake temps. Laminova cores will wipe the floor with the PWR intercoolers I believe, but I'm biased. Awill4x4 who builds intercoolers both air to air and air to water (custom) had never seen these cores until I asked him to weld mine together and was at first quite skeptical. Now he's a convert

4 off these core will flow far more air than an 80mm throttle body. How big is your throttle body or your most restrictive point on your intake?

One point here is the Laminova cores are extruded and far stronger by design than anything PWR have to offer. But at $200+each new you expect something special.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Laminova ... enameZWDVW

I have the standard 90mm VH throttle body and have 10psi of boost.
I haven't checked pre I/C temps so don't know what they are.
Reading some other stuff that says 150p per core approx so all that sort of indicate 4 cores would do what I want.
So basically it would be 4 x cores @ $200 each, 8 x end caps @ $30 each, 4 x tubes @ $50 each and a new intake to house it all. Plus a whole lot of fitting etc
All the parts would be under $2k which isn't that bad so I'd be able to get the whole job done for probably about $4k and would have PWR to sell and as they are so dear new that would get a bit. Definitely affordable I just need to convince the financial controller it is a value for money investment!!!!!!!!

nzdarin wrote:I have the standard 90mm VH throttle body and have 10psi of boost.
I haven't checked pre I/C temps so don't know what they are.
Reading some other stuff that says 150p per core approx so all that sort of indicate 4 cores would do what I want.
So basically it would be 4 x cores @ $200 each, 8 x end caps @ $30 each, 4 x tubes @ $50 each and a new intake to house it all. Plus a whole lot of fitting etc
All the parts would be under $2k which isn't that bad so I'd be able to get the whole job done for probably about $4k and would have PWR to sell and as they are so dear new that would get a bit. Definitely affordable I just need to convince the financial controller it is a value for money investment!!!!!!!!

End plates to suit are available too.
4 Cores will flow more than a 90mm throttle body, 10 PSI Will generate around 80-90 degrees of heat at full boost.
A laminova intercooler will flat line your intake temps just above ambient as it does mine at 9PSI.

May I ask why you need the scaffold tubing? Couldnt you do with out it? Is it to control air flow?

I think the sizing you are making now would be good for a universal cooler that would sit under the bonnet.




Andy

Dzltec wrote:May I ask why you need the scaffold tubing? Couldnt you do with out it? Is it to control air flow?

I think the sizing you are making now would be good for a universal cooler that would sit under the bonnet.




Andy

Yes the tubing controls the air flow over the cores this is an important part of the Laminova design, I just found that the I/D of scaffold tube is perfect substitute for the genuine housing.



4 cores is a good all round I believe, it has great heat soak and dissipation.
Laminova's R/D department recommended 3 min, 4 ideal all though I had allready elected to use all 4 as thats how many I bought.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/2570931-post15.html

Great work guys.

Matt, could you do a sketch showing the air flow through your intercoolers? Showing the slots in the tubes, where they are sealed against each other and the internal plates in the i/c body that seal and direct the air flow. I'm pretty sure I've got it but would like some clarification.

Crisp fabrication boys, I've sent the link to all my fitter mates and the boys are digging it

Dane wrote:Great work guys.

Matt, could you do a sketch showing the air flow through your intercoolers? Showing the slots in the tubes, where they are sealed against each other and the internal plates in the i/c body that seal and direct the air flow. I'm pretty sure I've got it but would like some clarification.

Crisp fabrication boys, I've sent the link to all my fitter mates and the boys are digging it

Can't give all the secrets away PM sent

Called into have a yarn with Andy at Dzltec today, thanks for your time and looking forward to seeing what we can do for you.

Regards Matt

Matt, if you want to look under the bonnet of an 80 series Turbo Diesel, im not interested at this stage, but more than happy to help out with dimensions and also any cad drawing if u need a squiz, let me know! Plus im only round the corner

+dj_hansen+ wrote:Matt, if you want to look under the bonnet of an 80 series Turbo Diesel, im not interested at this stage, but more than happy to help out with dimensions and also any cad drawing if u need a squiz, let me know! Plus im only round the corner

Cool Tks PM'd you my address, beers cold two

If any one wants a set of 4 cores for $250, I have a set left. Just PM me.

Well we moved in to the drift market today

matt.mcinnes wrote:If any one wants a set of 4 cores for $250, I have a set left. Just PM me.

Sold

First lot of tubes are ready and all spoken for going to have to make some more I think

You can see here how tight the fit is.

THE AIR WILL NEVER PASS THROUGH THERE WILL IT AWILL4x4

The best way I can describe this is like slicing air with Aluminum razor blades, thousands of them. Even Andy at Dzltec was quite surprised at the actual size and construction of the cores. It's hard to comprehend some of there attributes until you actually have one in hand.