Outer Limits 4x4 Board

mike_nofx wrote:

v840 wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:Out of curiosity, Where is the height measured to determine how much lift you have?

What i mean is, if an officer were to pull out his tape measure, and check that you arent raised too high, how would/should he go about it??>

Mike

VSI50: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... y-2009.pdf

Vehicles intended to be registered for use on roads or road related areas in NSW may be raised to a
maximum height of 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's manufacturer
(see Figure 1).
Vehicles raised more than 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's
manufacturer (see Figure 1) will only be conditionally registered in NSW and will have restricted access
to roads and road related areas.

They define trim height as the top of your wheel arches. How it is going to be enforced, I have no idea. I highly doubt they have the OE trim height of an 83 LWB Sierra.
They are also yet to define this conditional rego AFAIK.

so a possible loophole may be to "lower" the wheel arch?

such as modifying flares to sit very low, on 80 series for example?

or that ugly vitara with major virtual lift?

Great untill you get in a prang and find you did it to try ans sidestep things.. and how will that help a 4wd?

The only answer is to unite and protest (think unions) and fight for our right to modifiy cars with engineering compliance

Hulksta wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:

v840 wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:Out of curiosity, Where is the height measured to determine how much lift you have?

What i mean is, if an officer were to pull out his tape measure, and check that you arent raised too high, how would/should he go about it??>

Mike

VSI50: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... y-2009.pdf

Vehicles intended to be registered for use on roads or road related areas in NSW may be raised to a
maximum height of 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's manufacturer
(see Figure 1).
Vehicles raised more than 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's
manufacturer (see Figure 1) will only be conditionally registered in NSW and will have restricted access
to roads and road related areas.

They define trim height as the top of your wheel arches. How it is going to be enforced, I have no idea. I highly doubt they have the OE trim height of an 83 LWB Sierra.
They are also yet to define this conditional rego AFAIK.

so a possible loophole may be to "lower" the wheel arch?

such as modifying flares to sit very low, on 80 series for example?

or that ugly vitara with major virtual lift?

Great untill you get in a prang and find you did it to try ans sidestep things.. and how will that help a 4wd?

The only answer is to unite and protest (think unions) and fight for our right to modifiy cars with engineering compliance

funny i learnt about union in my bct class today, it really does make a difference. Lets all go to mr daley's door tommorow morning?

but seriously lets unite......

TEAM OPW wrote:
I can answer that one.. No rego was introduced for liability reasons that could have impacted heavily on a potential insurance claim if there was to be one.

thanks mate

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp

If you think online signatures, and a bunch of letters (all the same letter, from 4WDA) will work to change a dickhead politicians mind... there may be some bad news ahead.

Only thing i can think that will work is a violent riot.

mike_nofx wrote:Only thing i can think that will work is a violent riot.

I agree. Burn the Virgins for not putting in!

mike_nofx wrote:http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp

If you think online signatures, and a bunch of letters (all the same letter, from 4WDA) will work to change a dickhead politicians mind... there may be some bad news ahead.

Only thing i can think that will work is a violent riot.

Probably not by themselves - but surely letters, petions, riots and legal action they might eventually take notice......
A petiton isn't going to hurt - and if it only helps very little - at least it provided SOME help.
So my suggestion would be to stop browsing for information on the effectiveness of them and jump on the bandwagon and spend that effect being constructive

8UFF35T wrote:

Hulksta wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:

v840 wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:Out of curiosity, Where is the height measured to determine how much lift you have?

What i mean is, if an officer were to pull out his tape measure, and check that you arent raised too high, how would/should he go about it??>

Mike

VSI50: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... y-2009.pdf

Vehicles intended to be registered for use on roads or road related areas in NSW may be raised to a
maximum height of 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's manufacturer
(see Figure 1).
Vehicles raised more than 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's
manufacturer (see Figure 1) will only be conditionally registered in NSW and will have restricted access
to roads and road related areas.

They define trim height as the top of your wheel arches. How it is going to be enforced, I have no idea. I highly doubt they have the OE trim height of an 83 LWB Sierra.
They are also yet to define this conditional rego AFAIK.

so a possible loophole may be to "lower" the wheel arch?

such as modifying flares to sit very low, on 80 series for example?

or that ugly vitara with major virtual lift?

Great untill you get in a prang and find you did it to try ans sidestep things.. and how will that help a 4wd?

The only answer is to unite and protest (think unions) and fight for our right to modifiy cars with engineering compliance

funny i learnt about union in my bct class today, it really does make a difference. Lets all go to mr daley's door tommorow morning?

but seriously lets unite......

I aggree lets all unite and go and lob on this pricks door step or camp out in his electorate area the only way we will make a difference is if we all unite and make our opinion heard its long over due all states sould be in on this as we all need a nation wide standard because how it is now is a farking joke and its only going to get worse if we dont stand upas one and have a say

Slunnie wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:Only thing i can think that will work is a violent riot.

I agree. Burn the Virgins for not putting in!

send the virgins to me, i will sort them out!

Hulksta wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:

v840 wrote:

mike_nofx wrote:Out of curiosity, Where is the height measured to determine how much lift you have?

What i mean is, if an officer were to pull out his tape measure, and check that you arent raised too high, how would/should he go about it??>

Mike

VSI50: http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... y-2009.pdf

Vehicles intended to be registered for use on roads or road related areas in NSW may be raised to a
maximum height of 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's manufacturer
(see Figure 1).
Vehicles raised more than 50 mm above the original trim height as established by the vehicle's
manufacturer (see Figure 1) will only be conditionally registered in NSW and will have restricted access
to roads and road related areas.

They define trim height as the top of your wheel arches. How it is going to be enforced, I have no idea. I highly doubt they have the OE trim height of an 83 LWB Sierra.
They are also yet to define this conditional rego AFAIK.

so a possible loophole may be to "lower" the wheel arch?

such as modifying flares to sit very low, on 80 series for example?

or that ugly vitara with major virtual lift?

Great untill you get in a prang and find you did it to try ans sidestep things.. and how will that help a 4wd?

The only answer is to unite and protest (think unions) and fight for our right to modifiy cars with engineering compliance

That's not a bad idea .... rock up to his place on a w/end cause his own stupidity in attempting to do this has outraged people and compelled them to act.
But don't go there acting like a 2yo with turrets syndrome or it will just play into the pollies "spin" tactics and make things worse for us all.

80's_delirious wrote:

shortyq wrote:

hotrod4x4 wrote:a quote from Blacktown local rag:
Cars which are not approved will not be able to pass their rego and motorists could face fines of up to $7700 for driving an uninsured vehicle.

I guess they are stating the worst case scenario of some idiot driving a vehicle now unregistered because its not legal and now uninsured also.

thankyou!cough,cough

everything that is written in the newspapers and internet is true! coughcough

RTA wrote: General driving offences

Effective 1 July 2009

Sec 8 (1) Use uninsured motor vehicle $506

Sec 18 (1) Use unregistered vehicle on road/area $506

Edit: if you have to go to court maximum fines are up to $2200 unregoed, and $5500 uninsured. I would imagine this would be an extreme case, like a repeat, habitual offender.

ok so your noy totally ignorant to the fact then,thats ok.
driving a non compliant vehicle=no valid insurance
and what happens to your third party cover ,insuring life and limb?

Fighting a law change with threats, violence or any other illegal means is not going to work.

KiwiBacon wrote:Fighting a law change with threats, violence or any other illegal means is not going to work.

Sure it will!

"15 people dead, and $10million damaged caused in violent protest over not being able to raise a 4x4 more than 50mm"

mike_nofx wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:Fighting a law change with threats, violence or any other illegal means is not going to work.

Sure it will!

"15 people dead, and $10million damaged caused in violent protest over not being able to raise a 4x4 more than 50mm"

Then every copper across the country will hound 4wds

haha im with mike
correction,15 pollies dead,etcetc

KiwiBacon wrote:Fighting a law change with threats, violence or any other illegal means is not going to work.

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All we need is to be united and a show of strength is the power here

shortyq wrote:haha im with mike
correction,15 pollies dead,etcetc

You, and anyone who thinks like you is a bloody idiot, and your attitude contributes largely to the public perception that automotive enthusiasts are all hoons.

Normally I wouldn't bother to reply to someone that writes this sort of rubbish, passing it off as an unfortunate consequence of getting involved with any internet discussion, but the fact is that some of us are working really, REALLY hard to get media attention on this matter. They WILL publish things like this forum and comments like yours will be quoted if it's what the public will respond to best.

Politicians are there to represent YOU. To keep YOUR country free, safe and equal. Their job is to represent the best interests of the majority, and if the statistics categorically say that vehicles legally modified under the current regulatory framework increase the likelihood and impact of motor vehicle accidents, we need to listen. MY feeling is that the statistics don't represent this at all, and that Minister Daley is using this issue to isolate a small group of voters in order to secure votes from a larger group of people - like Harold Scruby's supporters.

“If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month.” - Theodore Roosevelt

Well I agree..... and with the risk of being Flamed out, can any mods on here delete any of this sort of stuff....... It just does not help us here, and is not what most of us on here are about.
Outters is widely read, by lots of people we dont need reading this stuff

Keep it constructive guys..... A lot of people here have a lot to loose, and I dont think anyone wants to make this fight anything, but winable, and fueling the other side with ammo is wrong

Too right! we need to change the publics opinion and the only way we can do this is if jerks dont drive modded cars!! they give people who do things right a bad name and then we suffer, the VSI50 is one fine example


I know everyone knows the jerks im talking about.. the ones that use there 4wd to try and scare other road uses? I know personally ive have it happen to me a hand full of times (Ive had most of them arrested as dicks like this dont belong on the road) and the ones who mod their cars illegally without engineering (why not finish the mod?) then theres the worst of all... the ones that mod their car unsafely! eg; a springover with birdshit welds that are sure to brake! or the commy that overtook you with cut springs!...... This is why the VSI50 is here

Im sure so many of you know people like this that have stuffed it for everyone, but how many people dont say a thing? why? cause you will get flamed by a dick that helped Mr Daley introduce VSI50? Cause you will get flamed by dicks that make the general public hate us?

While we fight the vsi50 we also need to educate the jerks and get some respect back

Flame suit on

Hulksta wrote:or the commy that overtook you with cut springs!...... This is why the VSI50 is here

Hmmm, theres one of these on the side of the road on the way out of town with a red canary on the windscreen. To make things even better, its only the rear suspension that has been lowered - probably to the bumpstops.

shortyq wrote:haha im with mike
correction,15 pollies dead,etcetc

sarcasm guys i was only
joking!

im for it
but they are pushing the wrong buttons imo!

I don't want to burst your bubble people but maybe you should look what happened with the fuel rebate in Qld. There was a large petition by the RACQ and the pollies still did what they wanted.

By all means persue this change with all means possablebut Australian democracy is a case of choose your dictator.

slowsurf wrote:well i dont know anything about the shooters party but i would tend to presume they may well a fair few of them use 4wd's to go shooting or am i think in the hole wrong direction ?

Paul

I'd agree with that. I voted for them cause they seemed to be the most sensible out of the bunch. Heaps of shooters that i know are also into 4wding

So, lets protest. Get all the 4WD clubs and everyone who owns a 4wd in. Find daleys office and drive around the roads around it all day or something?

nastytroll wrote:I don't want to burst your bubble people but maybe you should look what happened with the fuel rebate in Qld. There was a large petition by the RACQ and the pollies still did what they wanted.

By all means persue this change with all means possablebut Australian democracy is a case of choose your dictator.

There was probably a larger agenda behind that from the states treasury or something, something with a need.

I'd bet the only thing behind this is some sort of push.

Has everone stopped emailing the pollies?, if we stop they will think we have gone away, everyone needs to keep emailing them even if your just resending you original email and just add an extra comment each time... and keep sending them untill they get back to you with the answers you need... or an email that tells you mr daley was sacked to save thousands of jobs and the rights of car modifiers...

Dont forget to CC media groups in your email so that they can see whats going on

StarkRavingSimmo wrote:So, lets protest. Get all the 4WD clubs and everyone who owns a 4wd in. Find daleys office and drive around the roads around it all day or something?

no no no. any protest should be co ordinated with all the car groups and on one day. as said in another thread "leave the protest rallys to the associations to organise" here are some of my stats that have no bassis at all.
80% of 4wd on outers have illegally modded or unengineered mods.
65% are ugly
35% are driven by idiots
5 1/2 % are legally modified, driven in an orderly fashion and are presentable to the media or general public.
so how about when and if a protest rally is properly organised, we leave our cars at home, catch a bus and let the body numbers do the talking.

mr green wrote:

StarkRavingSimmo wrote:So, lets protest. Get all the 4WD clubs and everyone who owns a 4wd in. Find daleys office and drive around the roads around it all day or something?

no no no. any protest should be co ordinated with all the car groups and on one day. as said in another thread "leave the protest rallys to the associations to organise" here are some of my stats that have no bassis at all.
80% of 4wd on outers have illegally modded or unengineered mods.
65% are ugly
35% are driven by idiots
5 1/2 % are legally modified, driven in an orderly fashion and are presentable to the media or general public.
so how about when and if a protest rally is properly organised, we leave our cars at home, catch a bus and let the body numbers do the talking.

What he said. Do it right or you will only proove Mr daley right.

mr green wrote:

StarkRavingSimmo wrote: so how about when and if a protest rally is properly organised, we leave our cars at home, catch a bus and let the body numbers do the talking.

This is the only way we can be respected as people with rights

When they were going to close 4wd access to Hook Point, 150+ 4wd's & the media turned up and parked there for the day in protest. The government was DEFINATELY going to close Hook Point but after that stunt they back peddled and it never went ahead.

I reckon something as simple as a large, properly organised (by the 4wd association or a club) car rally with 150+ 4wd's crammed into the minister's office carpark or driving to picket (without violence) parliament house would be effective. If the police were informed/requested to escort the large line of 4wd's it'd get way more attention than anything else.

Has any of the clubs contacted these guys yet? http://www.ufwda.org/index.htm They're supposed to represent 4wd'ers worldwide, and i'm sure if the minister was getting international attention he'd sit up and think about it a bit harder!

cheers

Jeeps wrote:
Has any of the clubs contacted these guys yet? http://www.ufwda.org/index.htm They're supposed to represent 4wd'ers worldwide, and i'm sure if the minister was getting international attention he'd sit up and think about it a bit harder!

cheers

Have you contacted them?