Outer Limits 4x4 Board

grimbo wrote:If you did the same to a stock TJ with aftermarket parts you would be ahead $$ wise and performance wise.

Dribble...dribble...dribble dude wipe that shit from the corner of your mouth!

Land Rover made the first mass produced civillian 4x4 back in 1948 (admittedly it was based on the WW1 jeep) - then Jeep, Toyota, Nissan and everyone else copied them.

Then they built the Range Rover - the first of the 'non agricultural' (read comfortable) 4x4's - as Tom said with coils and discs all round - the best suspension travel for a stock 4x4, power steering, and a nice light, powerful V8. ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1969!!! At a time when All toyota and nissan offered were agricultural 'trucks' with leaves and drums all round and metal dashboards.

Land Rover was also the first to introduce a direct injection diesel in a passenger 4x4 - the ISUZU 4BD1 in 1981!!! Followed by the Tdi in 1989. Then the first (AFAIK) to introduce a common rail diesel, in 2000.

They also put a D60 (Salisbury) in their vehicles in 1971 - again long before any passenger 4x4 - the US are only just catching up. Only trucks like the F250 get D60's.

So how much mre proof do you want that they did everything first and everyone copied them. The only thing they weren't first at was inventing the "soft" 4x4's like the Rav4 - but I think not being the first with a pathetic excuse for a 4x4 like that is an achievement also.

hey you jeepers. post up a link to the "rally up" thread on your forum.

N*A*M wrote:hey you jeepers. post up a link to the "rally up" thread on your forum.

http://ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/viewtop ... sc&start=0

Wendle wrote:i reckon toyota for refinement,
nissan for outright strength,
suzuki for cheapness & disposability,
jeep for bolt-on-bandit ability,
and rover for social status, darling.

I agree with wendle, thats awesome!!!

W00t

Wendle is the weiner!!!

RaginRover wrote:

droopypete wrote:

Rainbow Warrior wrote:

turps wrote:

N*A*M wrote:land rover!

who else had an all coil, v8, power-steering beast in the early 70s?

Dosent mean they got it right though..

Didn't they? Took Nissan & Toyota till the mid eighties to get some of those features, such as 4 wheel discs & AWD, and Toyota still can't make a decent AWD system.

Don't you mean early 80's?
Peter.

What was the first coil sprung, full time 4x4 with discs all round from Toyota, thought it was in 1989 - nissan even beat you ... 1987 that is late 80s in my book

Tom

1985, japanese bundera!!

grimbo wrote:Actualy the G Wagen is pretty amazing stock, front and rear selectable lockers, a great engine, coil sprung live axles and probably the ugliest body shape. Good pickup Pete.

They are a WEAPON and geared pretty low aswell.

Dembones wrote:That is correct. Jeeps in general have the lowest stock T-case ratio of any light truck. I'm not going to bash the other brands, I've seen incredible things out of all of them.

Heard of a LANDROVER? They ALL have 3.3:1 low range totally standard.

(I know, I couldn't believe it myself when I was told!!)

I think the lowest STOCK transfer case gearing award belongs to the poms on this one

Drafty wrote:

DirtPigs wrote:Spot the Toyota...

The above pic was taken at the Outback Challenge a few days ago.

No need to say any more in my opinion, the picture sais it all, you can stick your pole and all your new user names where the sun dont shine.

the nissan with its bonnet up??? (Just jokes)

nice pic, i notice a few rangies and some patrols.

what do you think is the best 4wd made

landrover
10% [ 23 ]
toyota
21% [ 47 ]
nissan
19% [ 41 ]
suzuki
22% [ 48 ]
jeep
25% [ 55 ]

Total Votes : 214

Nice poll!

Ruff I would come over to the jeep site and back you up, but 1: you dont need it!! (Cause you're not weak) and 2:I think my IP is blocked, or my username expired or something.

moving this to chit chat

Wendle wrote:i reckon toyota for refinement,
nissan for outright strength,
suzuki for cheapness & disposability,
jeep for bolt-on-bandit ability,
and rover for social status, darling.

I don't think I'd say Toyota = Refinement....probably boring reliability

But overall I think you've summed it up best......
No ya all's know I'm a jeep nut - but there is noway I'd claim the Tj Rubicon to bethe most capable stock 4bee ever - that's just a silly call - there are quite a few rigs that were "stock" with dual lockers etc...

Besides even if the rubi was available here I'd probably not buy it....the unlimited (LWB TJ) however I'd like a lot more

Wooders wrote:

Wendle wrote:i reckon toyota for refinement,
nissan for outright strength,
suzuki for cheapness & disposability,
jeep for bolt-on-bandit ability,
and rover for social status, darling.

I don't think I'd say Toyota = Refinement....probably boring reliability

But overall I think you've summed it up best......
No ya all's know I'm a jeep nut - but there is noway I'd claim the Tj Rubicon to bethe most capable stock 4bee ever - that's just a silly call - there are quite a few rigs that were "stock" with dual lockers etc...

Besides even if the rubi was available here I'd probably not buy it....the unlimited (LWB TJ) however I'd like a lot more

Spot on wooders! i can't agree that a toyota is refined. but the rest is pretty much it - nice one wendle!

ROFL!!!

Wooders, always the calm, level-headed jeeper!!

anyways, almost had 10 in a row!!

Rainbow Warrior wrote:Did'n't Bundera's have IFS? And what would be mid 80's then?

No mate, they where solid axle coils.
Peter.

Rainbow Warrior wrote:And I said some.

That is corect, if you hadn't said this I wouldn't have posted, as the Bundera never had a V8 standard in the early 80's, and my post count would be about 25 less
Peter.

Rainbow Warrior wrote:I suspect you are slightly deluded as to the power output of a stock Bunderra.

Yes you may be right, I have been typing so much, there are these horrid green fumes comming off my key board
But I am very happy with the way my Bundera goes, it is a ripper.
Peter.

bj on roids wrote:1985, japanese bundera!!

Sorry BJ 1984.
Peter.

I think the best thing to come from this, (apart from some stimulating debate) is the O/Limits membership boost.
Maybe we should have a poll next week along the lines of "DO SISSYS DRIVE JEEPS", think of people all around the world who will join up just to defend themselves
The following week it will be Toyota's, then Nissans ect ect, dont bother with Suzuki's, we are used to being called sissys
Peter
ps I still only voted once.

Drafty wrote:

Sixty wrote:I thought there would be more than eleven cars competing.........?

Thats a clever reply

Derrr Another words, your telling us that the arent any other types of 4wd competing in the OBC?

DROOPYPETE,
RE "Do Sissies Drive Jeeps".
As you mensioned JEEPERS from all around the world would jump on and defend themslves.
And guess what? You would be HEAVELY out numbered M8!
The Jeeps Unlimeted forum has THOUSANDS of members who would jump on over to debate the issue.......could be very interesting dont you think?

WOLF wrote:DROOPYPETE,
RE "Do Sissies Drive Jeeps".
As you mensioned JEEPERS from all around the world would jump on and defend themslves.
And guess what? You would be HEAVELY out numbered M8!
The Jeeps Unlimeted forum has THOUSANDS of members who would jump on over to debate the issue.......could be very interesting dont you think?

Errr, I think that was the general idea M8

Peter. (who is totaly secure with the type of 4x4 he drives )

for every jeeper, there are two more that think jeepers are Grimace.

N*A*M wrote:for every jeeper, there are two more that think jeepers are Grimace.

droopypete wrote:I think the best thing to come from this, (apart from some stimulating debate) is the O/Limits membership boost.
Maybe we should have a poll next week along the lines of "DO SISSYS DRIVE JEEPS", think of people all around the world who will join up just to defend themselves
The following week it will be Toyota's, then Nissans ect ect, dont bother with Suzuki's, we are used to being called sissys
Peter
ps I still only voted once.

On second thought lets skip the Jeeps and go straight to the Toyota's
(I know they have a sense of humor ) I couldn't hack another week of "best all round, goes anywhere, longer penis, first 4x4, ultimate, bla bla bla"
why can't they all be like wooders?
They are right, it is a jeep thing, and I don't get it!
(and they probably think that was a complement )
Peter.
ps, apologys to the reasonable jeepers out there, (both of you )

jeeps r sik!

bj on roids wrote:moving this to chit chat

Leave it here it will get pruned in Chit Chat and be gone for ever. This is prob the most popular Poll we have ever had here.

jetpilot000 wrote:jeeps r sik!

Yes you are correct they are very sik!