Tough Dog Tuff Truck Challenge 2009

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

yeah i hope it doesnt continue into the future.
i think atleast if you have to have a car thats close to registerable it keeps the buggies out of it.

However if a driver backs into Tony Price's Mobile Love palace, then we are not covered - we must fix him up out of our own pockets.

-yeah he made this point to me on the phone. "not the winnebago!"


Moving forwards & onto another favourite subject of mine - BUGGIES - there are none & never has there been any Buggies in any Tuff Truck event, Just very creative & innovative, rule abiding, & beautifully designed vechicles.

The rules clearly state that a vechicle must be recognisableto to the officials & spectators alike, ie Toyota, Nissan, Suzuki, Jeep etc - ALSO they must have started life off as a 4WD & They must have SOME orriginal chassis -

- Yeah this is true. but the rules stated % of body panels last year too. I think a couple of trucks were really struggling for these percentages even viewing them with a "glass is half full attitude".

This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind.

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

I am hoping the rules for 2012 and beyond can bring the vehicles back to being very tough and capable but still essentially a truck (like they were at the start of ttc, a truck that was built strong and not a buggy with 20cm of chassis and a couple of panels on there for compliance?)

Evan, busted bro! but hey atleast your family is behind you in this event mate. good stuff and a good cause.

[evanstaniland]

Hi Evan,

Your mother sent me an email wanting to BUY votes for this year's Tuff Truck event.

How is it all coming along?

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

yea mark my rig is coming along, got some diff gears in transit!

it was my sister that emailed you as she lives in Scotland and couldnt find a mag, and all my friends and family are behind me, with out them i wouldnt have the rig where i want it and to have the chance to compete. NO mags = next available means and that is to BUY them. Ive still got mates giving me money saying to get votes, so ill be emailing you soon aswell. They can not be bothered emailing/getting money order etc..

How is you zook coming along, Tony was saying yesterday that it has had an Amazing face lift, and beautiful work as always. pics??
have you done anything to the driveline???
If you need to borrow some tools again just come say hi, the 4wd community help each other out!!

Evan

[3.8BUNDY]

Evan, busted bro! but hey atleast your family is behind you in this event mate. good stuff and a good cause.

The way I see it is you either
1. bulk buy the magazines direct.
2. buy from Mark M
3. Have(at least) 60 mates who will purchase and vote for you

or find something else to do that weekend.
The poor guy with no money to buy votes might have the tuffest truck, but noone will ever see him/her.

[Mark M]

yeah i hope it doesnt continue into the future.
i think atleast if you have to have a car thats close to registerable it keeps the buggies out of it.

However if a driver backs into Tony Price's Mobile Love palace, then we are not covered - we must fix him up out of our own pockets.

-yeah he made this point to me on the phone. "not the winnebago!"


Moving forwards & onto another favourite subject of mine - BUGGIES - there are none & never has there been any Buggies in any Tuff Truck event, Just very creative & innovative, rule abiding, & beautifully designed vechicles.

The rules clearly state that a vechicle must be recognisableto to the officials & spectators alike, ie Toyota, Nissan, Suzuki, Jeep etc - ALSO they must have started life off as a 4WD & They must have SOME orriginal chassis -

- Yeah this is true. but the rules stated % of body panels last year too. I think a couple of trucks were really struggling for these percentages even viewing them with a "glass is half full attitude".

This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind.

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

I am hoping the rules for 2012 and beyond can bring the vehicles back to being very tough and capable but still essentially a truck (like they were at the start of ttc, a truck that was built strong and not a buggy with 20cm of chassis and a couple of panels on there for compliance?)

Evan, busted bro! but hey atleast your family is behind you in this event mate. good stuff and a good cause.

DRS,

Can you offer me factual information only - who was running a BUGGY with 20cm of chassis?

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

[taps]

yeah i hope it doesnt continue into the future.
i think atleast if you have to have a car thats close to registerable it keeps the buggies out of it.

However if a driver backs into Tony Price's Mobile Love palace, then we are not covered - we must fix him up out of our own pockets.

-yeah he made this point to me on the phone. "not the winnebago!"


Moving forwards & onto another favourite subject of mine - BUGGIES - there are none & never has there been any Buggies in any Tuff Truck event, Just very creative & innovative, rule abiding, & beautifully designed vechicles.

The rules clearly state that a vechicle must be recognisableto to the officials & spectators alike, ie Toyota, Nissan, Suzuki, Jeep etc - ALSO they must have started life off as a 4WD & They must have SOME orriginal chassis -

- Yeah this is true. but the rules stated % of body panels last year too. I think a couple of trucks were really struggling for these percentages even viewing them with a "glass is half full attitude".

This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind.

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

I am hoping the rules for 2012 and beyond can bring the vehicles back to being very tough and capable but still essentially a truck (like they were at the start of ttc, a truck that was built strong and not a buggy with 20cm of chassis and a couple of panels on there for compliance?)

Evan, busted bro! but hey atleast your family is behind you in this event mate. good stuff and a good cause.

DRS,

Can you offer me factual information only - who was running a BUGGY with 20cm of chassis?

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

Yeah DRS

[rustys]

DRS is this your idea of a 2012 Tuff Truck



If so there goes my idea of building a full carbon fiber electric powered tuff truck with all alloy chassis for the year 2012.

Get with the times lets all help to move this event forward as if the event ever came to an end what would you have to complain about .

A buggy with only 20cm of chassis id love to see that (it would be one VERY SMALL BUGGY)

Garth

[taps]

A buggy with only 20cm of chassis id love to see that (it would be one VERY SMALL BUGGY)

Garth

Maybe DRS got mixed up with some of the RC boys at TTC

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

I think my words were taken out of context, i was talking more of in 2012 if things keep going the way they are.
The 20cm of original chassis is where things were heading.
at the moment there would be a number of rigs running a max length of 1m of original chassis.

"Retains the look of the original 4WD vehicle, comprising 80% of the original front profile and 50% of the original side profile from the B-pillar forward."

The facts are this is from this years TTC regs, but it was the same last year..
I am in no way a mechanic nor smash repairer. but im pretty sure a side profile of an original bonnet. doors made of perspex? no windscreen & no guards is probably not 50% original now is it?
I do understand that now all rigs will conform with the above but in 08 i think its no big secret that wasnt enforced.



the concern personally is, a bend of a rule each year and you end up with 40 trucks like the werock class for "rigs" with a bonnet and abit of a grill?
the crowds didnt embrace id and it never really took off.

Mark, im curious what your solicitors had to do with TTC and the rule change? it does seem a little bit of an odd situation? winch challenges, rally events, bike events all allow registered vehicles and some stipulate it?? it does seem abit odd after 6 previous events theres a change.

garth, your idea sounds great as an engineering/building achievement. but how could that not be an ICV?
or.. alternately if the rules from 2012 will continue with no rego and you know this when will everyone else know?

taps, hehe i may have been watching the RC's it is true.

I will leave my petty bickering at that, it does seem i am in the minority.

[MjWatt]

I am in no way a mechanic nor smash repairer. but im pretty sure a side profile of an original bonnet. doors made of perspex? no windscreen & no guards is probably not 50% original now is it?
I do understand that now all rigs will conform with the above but in 08 i think its no big secret that wasnt enforced.


the concern personally is, a bend of a rule each year and you end up with 40 trucks like the werock class for "rigs" with a bonnet and abit of a grill?
the crowds didnt embrace id and it never really took off.

Mark, im curious what your solicitors had to do with TTC and the rule change? it does seem a little bit of an odd situation? winch challenges, rally events, bike events all allow registered vehicles and some stipulate it?? it does seem abit odd after 6 previous events theres a change.

Money Talks

[booflux]

I actually agree with DRS to a point on this, I do think that getting the rego stuff out of the way and going with proper insurances is the way all comps should go so imo thats a great move.

But as much as I love the bandaged bear rig and I do I also see it as more buggy than full bodied rig which is what I see Tuff Truck as. Does that mean I dont want to see well engineered rigs and thinking outside the box, not at all but a bonnet, grill and a metre of chassis dont make it a full bodied rig imo. Personally I prefer the rigs like A1s, Phil Nobles etc, these rigs do keep the full bodied look without going to a buggy approach. Thats just my 2c

[MrsForby]

^^^ What Boof said^^^

Having said that, I do support Team Bandaged Bear because it is for charity. If it wasn't for charity I would be raising a few eyebrows at the TTC Committee.

[WICKED]

Money Talks

All too much at this event!

[Mark M]

I think my words were taken out of context, i was talking more of in 2012 if things keep going the way they are.
The 20cm of original chassis is where things were heading.
at the moment there would be a number of rigs running a max length of 1m of original chassis.

"Retains the look of the original 4WD vehicle, comprising 80% of the original front profile and 50% of the original side profile from the B-pillar forward."

The facts are this is from this years TTC regs, but it was the same last year..
I am in no way a mechanic nor smash repairer. but im pretty sure a side profile of an original bonnet. doors made of perspex? no windscreen & no guards is probably not 50% original now is it?
I do understand that now all rigs will conform with the above but in 08 i think its no big secret that wasnt enforced.



the concern personally is, a bend of a rule each year and you end up with 40 trucks like the werock class for "rigs" with a bonnet and abit of a grill?
the crowds didnt embrace id and it never really took off.

Mark, im curious what your solicitors had to do with TTC and the rule change? it does seem a little bit of an odd situation? winch challenges, rally events, bike events all allow registered vehicles and some stipulate it?? it does seem abit odd after 6 previous events theres a change.

garth, your idea sounds great as an engineering/building achievement. but how could that not be an ICV?
or.. alternately if the rules from 2012 will continue with no rego and you know this when will everyone else know?

taps, hehe i may have been watching the RC's it is true.

I will leave my petty bickering at that, it does seem i am in the minority.

DRS,

Firstly let me say that my chassis is just under 1.5 metres long on each side!

In relation to the profiles - we based our designs on past vechicles & current rules so please use other vechicles also as references - example - Gonads orange zook in 05, wayne murpy's orange zook 08, Michael Depasquale's orange zook 08, etc etc & in my opinion tubed doors with lexon panels are far safer than original ones.

We all just evolve & work with the rules at hand - so how about a little less complaining & alot more modifications!

In relation to my solicitors & Tuff Truck Officials - Its none of your business, but lets just say i was passing on very expensive imformation to benefit all involved.

Anyway it's greta to hear that your PETTY BICKERING has come to an end

Regards


Mark
Bandaged Bear

[MjWatt]

wow, we might actually get some TTC Event relatied chat happening now!!!!!!!!!

Not long now, hope the weather holds out, although a little rain would be nice tokeep the dust down!

[3.8BUNDY]

wow, we might actually get some TTC Event relatied chat happening now!!!!!!!!!

Not long now, hope the weather holds out, although a little rain would be nice tokeep the dust down!

Yeah, weather good. Dust down, Beauty.

Now back to the blueing.

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

mark, out of curiosity is that original chassis that is 1.5m per side?
or tube? or both added together?

wouldnt it be better if we all designed to the rules not to past rigs?
as the rules are changing year to year afterall and as you said "This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind"

gonads: I thought he had alot of original chassis and half doors and it certainly appears to have had a windscreen?

waynes: was using cut down original doors. and the chassis does appear to extend to the front diff..its"original" looking chassis in anycase.

anablic: It does have what appears to be an original chassis and a windscreen frame?

but the rules are now the rules and im sure everything will be apples this year for all teams.

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

wow, we might actually get some TTC Event relatied chat happening now!!!!!!!!!

Not long now, hope the weather holds out, although a little rain would be nice tokeep the dust down!

Yeah, weather good. Dust down, Beauty.

Now back to the blueing.

GOLD!

no its just discussion.

[rustys]

DRS
I see you followed the OPW build up thread but never once put ship on Pete for having the same amount of chassis as Marks Zook if it pissis you of that much you should of said something in his thread as you will be competing against it as will.

Marks Zook has 1.5 meters of ORIGINAL Suzuki rail on each side and when I built that car I spoke to the Tuff Truck and asked how much rail I needed to use and they replied SOME.

So that car was built to the rules of 2008 so complain to them.

From my point of view if the chassis is box or tube it makes no difference and if it did why did Phill win the tuff truck with his box chassis



As for the side profile rule they say 50% so 50% of a tray back Zook is the bonnet and cowl.

Mate not having a go at your rig but just make sure your cage complies as when I build Phills Nissan I had to put a bar from left to right below the front window that was what the Tuff Truck wanted just check like I said not having a go at your rig.

Lets just all enjoy the tuff truck for what it is my the best car and driver WIN as I think Pete and Tazz will be hard to beat in his new Tuff Truck.

Garth

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

Garth, yeah i will talk to tony about it asap then. cheers for the heads up.
one of those things where im pretty sure it doesnt say anything in the ccda rules or ttc. alot of people have it. yet nobody has knocked me for it yet.

[Mark M]

mark, out of curiosity is that original chassis that is 1.5m per side?
or tube? or both added together?

wouldnt it be better if we all designed to the rules not to past rigs?
as the rules are changing year to year afterall and as you said "This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind"

gonads: I thought he had alot of original chassis and half doors and it certainly appears to have had a windscreen?

waynes: was using cut down original doors. and the chassis does appear to extend to the front diff..its"original" looking chassis in anycase.

anablic: It does have what appears to be an original chassis and a windscreen frame?

but the rules are now the rules and im sure everything will be apples this year for all teams.

DRS

My chassis is original Suzuki

If you read my statement carefully you will see that i said we based our design of past rigs - (ie what they got away with) & combining that with the current rules.

The reference to the other zooks/vechicles was to show what has been acceptable & or gotten away with in the past.

Anyway - its time's like this that really make me want to ring the Tuff Truck Officials to accept & pay the amount they want for me to buy the Tuff Truck business & piss of all the whingers once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - to then take the sport into the future where it so rightfully belongs

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

[MrsForby]

Anyway - its time's like this that really make me want to ring the Tuff Truck Officials to accept & pay the amount they want for me to buy the Tuff Truck business & piss of all the whingers once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - to then take the sport into the future where it so rightfully belongs

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

Just out of curiosity, and you can send me a PM to answer, but what do you consider the future of this sport? And the future of Tuff Truck? What direction do you believe Tuff Truck should be heading, in order for it to be "in the future"?

Jess

[... rick]

DRS
I see you followed the OPW build up thread but never once put ship on Pete for having the same amount of chassis - you will be competing against it as well.



Garth

Hahahahahaha! Yeah, right!

[... rick]

Anyway - its time's like this that really make me want to ring the Tuff Truck Officials to accept & pay the amount they want for me to buy the Tuff Truck business & piss of all the whingers once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - to then take the sport into the future where it so rightfully belongs

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

Just out of curiosity, and you can send me a PM to answer, but what do you consider the future of this sport? And the future of Tuff Truck? What direction do you believe Tuff Truck should be heading, in order for it to be "in the future"?

Jess

After now.

[taps]

mark, out of curiosity is that original chassis that is 1.5m per side?
or tube? or both added together?

wouldnt it be better if we all designed to the rules not to past rigs?
as the rules are changing year to year afterall and as you said "This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind"

gonads: I thought he had alot of original chassis and half doors and it certainly appears to have had a windscreen?

waynes: was using cut down original doors. and the chassis does appear to extend to the front diff..its"original" looking chassis in anycase.

anablic: It does have what appears to be an original chassis and a windscreen frame?

but the rules are now the rules and im sure everything will be apples this year for all teams.

DRS

My chassis is original Suzuki

If you read my statement carefully you will see that i said we based our design of past rigs - (ie what they got away with) & combining that with the current rules.

The reference to the other zooks/vechicles was to show what has been acceptable & or gotten away with in the past.

Anyway - its time's like this that really make me want to ring the Tuff Truck Officials to accept & pay the amount they want for me to buy the Tuff Truck business & piss of all the whingers once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - to then take the sport into the future where it so rightfully belongs

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

Mark M,

I am curious also to know what you mean by this, and what changes you would make (if you bought it) to take the sport to the next level.
How would you "piss of all the whingers once and for all"
Very interested to know/hear .
PM me also if you would prefer.

[... rick]

I cant see Mark PMing anyone. I suspect if he has something to say, you ALL will hear it.
My thoughts are this. It doesnt matter what anyones opinion of the future is, except that of the committee. At the end of the day, if you asked 300 people what their opinion is, you would most likely have 295 different answers anyway.
How about the askers of Marks opinion post theirs as well? Just to see what folks are thinking?
I would like to see a move towards making the event more spectater friendly. Grandstands ect.
In regard to the cars, I would like to see full, or at the very worst 3/4 chassis. Keep 80% of ther original panels.
But like I said, I reckon most folks will have different opinions.
But that is part of what makes it all good!

[CV Smasher]

mark, out of curiosity is that original chassis that is 1.5m per side?
or tube? or both added together?

wouldnt it be better if we all designed to the rules not to past rigs?
as the rules are changing year to year afterall and as you said "This is NOW the future be part of it or get left behind"

gonads: I thought he had alot of original chassis and half doors and it certainly appears to have had a windscreen?

waynes: was using cut down original doors. and the chassis does appear to extend to the front diff..its"original" looking chassis in anycase.

anablic: It does have what appears to be an original chassis and a windscreen frame?

but the rules are now the rules and im sure everything will be apples this year for all teams.

DRS

My chassis is original Suzuki

If you read my statement carefully you will see that i said we based our design of past rigs - (ie what they got away with) & combining that with the current rules.

The reference to the other zooks/vechicles was to show what has been acceptable & or gotten away with in the past.

Anyway - its time's like this that really make me want to ring the Tuff Truck Officials to accept & pay the amount they want for me to buy the Tuff Truck business & piss of all the whingers once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - to then take the sport into the future where it so rightfully belongs

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

It doesn't matter what you do there will always be someone that has other ideas For now the TT guys are doing a great job and we can all settle the score on the track.

Bring on the boulders!!!!!!!!
Bring on the carnage!!!!!!!

Chris

[CV Smasher]

I cant see Mark PMing anyone. I suspect if he has something to say, you ALL will hear it.
My thoughts are this. It doesnt matter what anyones opinion of the future is, except that of the committee. At the end of the day, if you asked 300 people what their opinion is, you would most likely have 295 different answers anyway.
How about the askers of Marks opinion post theirs as well? Just to see what folks are thinking?
I would like to see a move towards making the event more spectater friendly. Grandstands ect.
In regard to the cars, I would like to see full, or at the very worst 3/4 chassis. Keep 80% of ther original panels.
But like I said, I reckon most folks will have different opinions.
But that is part of what makes it all good!

x2 Rick.

Everyone loves to see a full bodied rig roll because there is something to loose where as if a buggy type rig rolls it gets put back on its wheels and still usually looks the same. (Rick can sell them more bolt on stuff as well )
A lot of the spectators like to see rigs that resemble their own so they can either settle a bet with their mates as to whos truck is tuffer and possibly aspire to compete themselves in comps like Tuff Truck one day.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Chris

[MrsForby]

While I agree with you wholeheartedly in regards to the vehicles Rick, I think it would depend on the type of changes made to make it spectator friendly to whether I would think of it as positive.

I enjoy looking hard and finding a tucked away spot to sit where I've got a view, to me that's just part of the event. If we're talking grandstands specifically I think that may take away from the "bushness" (for lack of better word at 4pm) of the event.

I love Tuff Truck as it is TBH.

In regard to the cars, I would like to see full, or at the very worst 3/4 chassis. Keep 80% of ther original panels.

The fact that TTC ISN'T buggies is a main draw card for me. Without going into a "Buggies r betta" debate, many of us watched WEROCK disappear from the comp scene. I'm still not sure if it will return? That initself tells me that people are more interested a CURRENT TTC-style event rather than a buggy event. TTC grows bigger and stronger every year, especially when the toots are cleaned regularly!

You're right Rick, everyone has different opinions. You want a bitch, it's not for me! lol. I was simply curious.

[1MadEngineer]

I love this thread, it makes me

[Mark M]

Anyway - its time's like this that really make me want to ring the Tuff Truck Officials to accept & pay the amount they want for me to buy the Tuff Truck business & piss of all the whingers once and for all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - to then take the sport into the future where it so rightfully belongs

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear

Just out of curiosity, and you can send me a PM to answer, but what do you consider the future of this sport? And the future of Tuff Truck? What direction do you believe Tuff Truck should be heading, in order for it to be "in the future"?

Jess

Hi Jess,

I would prefer to keep my thoughts all in public view.

The first part of my comments ie TO BUY TUFF TRUCK is TRUE, however it was mentioned just out of frustration at all the PETTY COMPLAINING THAT GOES ON, who needs it -

I think the Tuff Truck Officials are heading each year in the right direction - however over the past years this has been a part time run business, which i might add, they have done a great Job.

This is the first year that someone has been working on it full time- which is what it needs to progress, however they need to add more.

A Brief & Broadbrush outline for you -

The future of this sport is FAMILIES - & should be marketed & promoted as such & as well to corporate companies as a High energy, visually spectacular SAFE family based event, with alot less focus on the Esky Comps or the Alchohol & Crackers in the night.

In my opinion Tuff Truck also needs to focus more on the Competitors - we spend alot of money to get our rigs to the event each year with little or no recognition - so Tuff Truck needs to attain them better opportunities through sponsorship - better promotion through Radio, Tv, Press, Promotional material ie in show bags handed out to every spectator - for example like a full A4 page on each Team, truck, driver, navi & sponsors - so as to attract more sponsor deals for each team etc

The Direction needed for Tuff Truck & its future is A SAFE & FRIENDLY FAMILY ENVIORMENT, with INNOVATIVE & OR CUTTING EDGE VECHICLES that are easily RECOGNISABLE to both the public & potential sponsors alike so as to attract the larger corporations like Toyota, Nissan, Jeep, Suzuki etc to throw some money at our sport.

Lets not forget that Tuff Truck is a business - and all business need to be profitable or they get shelved.

& Just for the record the reason i had the Bandage Bear Truck Built was not only for Charity's & Promotions but mainly to COMPENSATE FOR MY LACK OF DRIVING SKILLS!

However this is just the tip of the ice berg, i have been trying to write this whilst my newborn daughter has been crying & needing nappy changes etc.

Happy to Elaborate more at a later date!

Regards

Mark
Bandaged Bear