Outer Limits 4x4 Board

well 2 letter from the boss and they finally allowed to talk to me but need not have bothered.... as we all suspected but i did not want to accept is that nothing will change with their offer it will be simply written on email and passed to me by end of business today.....

The lass suggested mine was the first to do such damage ever and she said in general not just 06:D i could only laugh! i said are your for real but said that you are obviously schooled to say such... I then asked if anyone up the chain who is actually in the know would talk to me on the matter. Reply was no-one will discuss with anyone such matters information being kept internal...she said as people would then put such correspondance on forums etc well i said all the publicity is negative currently so maybe something fresh in a positive response from nissan..... I asked if she is looking forward to argueing with 100's of people like me in the near future after 1000's in the past....... again you are the only one mark

someone with a late model that goes boom and they dont contribute anything get on today tonight etc etc and get a few hundred happy customers together...... Again while i appreciate what they have given me and know i am in a much better position than many others when this happens it certainly is a massive problem that someone needs to lead the charge to make them accountable... Might call darren hinch

head arrived, turbo is fine... truck back tomoz arv.

Now you have had a read i'll keep in on file...

Think it is nearly ready..... fri arv pickup

ok folks question time.... Of this magic list does anyone know of any trucks blowing for a 2nd time? think there was talk of a couple and what sort of kms apart?

Cheers

Been looking at prado's and not bad but a little pricey for the kms. Dunno

just go the TD42t patrol. you cant even go for a new Cruiser as they have a few issues also. guess a new car is off the list of good old reliable 4X4 these days.

Bingham wrote:ok folks question time.... Of this magic list does anyone know of any trucks blowing for a 2nd time? think there was talk of a couple and what sort of kms apart?

Cheers

Been looking at prado's and not bad but a little pricey for the kms. Dunno

Rolys did. one engine with him, and then the one that was replaced with the poor fawk that bought it off him

bogged wrote:

Bingham wrote:ok folks question time.... Of this magic list does anyone know of any trucks blowing for a 2nd time? think there was talk of a couple and what sort of kms apart?

Cheers

Been looking at prado's and not bad but a little pricey for the kms. Dunno

Rolys did. one engine with him, and then the one that was replaced with the poor fawk that bought it off him

you know by chance how many kms apart?

ALSO

The offer was made in good faith and no admission of liability is made or inferred by Nissan Australia.

What prices are the 3 litres diesels bringing on the second hand retail market ie at Nissan dealers.

Would be interesting to see what they offer as a trade in. I wonder if they have faith in their own product?

if you bought at a good price they bringing ok dollars... i think mine 06 st auto with a few bits with the 125 km when bout to void warranty on this work would still pull 33 private so 5 drop in value in 95 000km.. and technically it cost us 38 with 30 000 on it at purchase.

last one was 04 bought with 40 000 km i think from memory for 36000 then sold 2.5 yrs later with 160 000 for 27500 cash. So really pretty good. in terms of trade ins i am guessing they same as everything else as still late models within reason still hardish to find.

so not bad really...............................

They now hoping to get it back today worst case monday morning... keen to get back obviously to put this saga to bed...
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to sum up am happy enough with what nissan have done as is the boss which makes life easier.... I believe certainly the 3L problem is bigger than me, outerlimits and possibly australia but one i wish they had fixed. For private family owners pushed into 3L's on price out of warranty i feel for as that repair bill could certainly cripple.

Current surfing of the web (will see me again in a patrol again quite possibly) Prados of similar kms still 5-8 k more in feb march.

Failing a 125 oookm sale the boss will run the gauntlet and keep till end of 2010 possibly 160 000km.

But lets all say the MAGIC WORDS "EXTENDED WARRANTY" then nissan can eat its cracked pistons for alli care whilst giving me a hire car as they fix it....

Bingham wrote:For private family owners pushed into 3L's on price out of warranty i feel for as that repair bill could certainly cripple.

This has always been my concern. Not everyone has $15k to blow weeks/hours/months after investing $40-50k on a used grenade to replace an engine/turb etc.

And word on the Patrol forum that the Series 7 GU is no fuckin change. Same shitbox engine, same shit everything.

bogged wrote: And word on the Patrol forum that the Series 7 GU is no . change. Same shitbox engine, same shit everything.

You never know, they may have upgraded the electronics?

We will have to wait and see what the changes are, I am sure our mate Nizzbits will let us know when he has the skinny on it

RN wrote:What prices are the 3 litres diesels bringing on the second hand retail market ie at Nissan dealers.

$2.00 Inc GST...

Would be interesting to see what they offer as a trade in. I wonder if they have faith in their own product?

Goto the auctions.. plenty there.

have put a few hundred kms on the big girl already.... and supprisingly has not blown up all going well. Bill bit over $2200 and going to fit a turbo timer this week.

Been suggested i avoid doing big long hot high speed hiway driving till she worn in abit so best get a few kms on it before end of week gatton pitssworth dalby kingaroy murgon and roma races next wknd.....

actually buggar nissan and toyota... next round am getting a light aircraft maybe even 3L powered

so mark whatwas the total of repair bill?... or they wont reveal whole costing to you?

you know i was in that much of a rush i am not sure if i even got a receipt... pressume i did so shall find/ dig it out... at one point all the bits were at 6-7 k i think plus labour but will double check..

[quote="Bingham"]Bill bit over $2200 and going to fit a turbo timer this week.[/quote
Don't waste your money. Invest in a boost gauge and a pyrometer instead. A turbo timer won't tell you when the ECU is overfuelling or if the turbo is overboosting.

Bingham wrote:a turbo timer this week.

Agree with Coxy.. most over-rated accessory out there... apart from those new -remove-the-pin front arms.

bogged wrote:

Bingham wrote:a turbo timer this week.

Agree with Coxy.. most over-rated accessory out there... apart from those new -remove-the-pin front arms.

I agree with you both in part. I will however having spoken with a couple mates that inparticullarly when driven very hard on hiway type driving and towing fast a few mates with 3L's have at time pulled in to servo with all gauges ok then on filling up (vehicles that gauges never move) but knowingly motors working very hard to maintain say hiway speedlimits plus while towing... Start them up then temp gauge goes of the page page as she is boiling its ring out from sitting still not having had the chance to burn the heat of..... But yes the other gauges would have potentially stopped the "hard driving/towing" before the problem became a big one i still believe for the 3L's it is a good thing.... have heard report of the western fuzz getting them in their 3L's as after hiway traffic work and quick turn off they boiling then mischief happening with motors.

They simply running/workingthat hard/ hot to keep things moving fast (if driven hard/towing) on the verge of boiling then quick stops and shite hits the fan.
This being the case a few mins to displace some heat can only do good things. if only saves it 1 out of 50 or 500 or 5000 quick stops then its worht it especially when can unpluck and put in new one..

We know these 3L's are on a knife edge to push these heavy bastads and just pushing them that little bit could amplify an existing problem. 2 fold if boiling at servos due to know turbo timer.

I believe that not many work them that hard for long runs its not a problem generally so yes turbo timers are a waste. And for the old boys doing 90kms with van no probs but others could be less than ideal.

Differnent theory than the 4.2 as we well know..

you are still gunna need an EGT gauge but Mark..at least that way it doesnt matter how long or hard your trip is you can keep an eye on the temps and back off a little when needed..also if you have an egt gauge then you dont need a turbo timer..just drive slower when you are going to stop at a servo and get the temps down and when you pull up just let it idle for maybe 30 seconds at most then shut it down..the egt gauge will tell you when it is cool enough...

dave

80lsy gq wrote:you are still gunna need an EGT gauge but Mark..at least that way it doesnt matter how long or hard your trip is you can keep an eye on the temps and back off a little when needed..also if you have an egt gauge then you dont need a turbo timer..just drive slower when you are going to stop at a servo and get the temps down and when you pull up just let it idle for maybe 30 seconds at most then shut it down..the egt gauge will tell you when it is cool enough...

dave

i agree mate but boss will not be paying for a swag of gauges. And i dont always have the luxury of time to hang around 30 -60 seconds - 3 minutes to turn off. unfortunately boss's wants vs best thing to do are not always the same action. Servo wise you in unfamiliar territory and can not always plan your stops.

If keeping it long term i shall try swipe one. if not timer will have to do.

How many km's do you guys suggest as a wear in period on one of these motors? 1000Km, 5000km????? by wear i mean simply able to lock cruise on and cruise the hiways

eliteforce32 wrote:so mark whatwas the total of repair bill?... or they wont reveal whole costing to you?

Just checked and there was no dollar figure put on the receipt for the warranty/good will bits.. but i would guess $6K retail maybe having thought more about it....

if he is only gunna pay for one gauge i would buy a pyro before a timer..it is more important to keep an eye on the temps while driving...

i got one of these http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_ ... cts_id=139

with one of these probes http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_ ... ucts_id=69

cost like $120 after exchange rate and freight and arrived 3 days after the order was processed over in the states

after putting it on i realised how good it was to have as how i would have driven without it would have been putting too much heat into it..

it will definitely save your motor more than a timer

dave

And its cheap compared to a $300 ARB/Bogaard timer.

coxy321 wrote:And its cheap compared to a $300 ARB/Bogaard timer.

and more important.

gday, what im a lil confusd about is you blokes keep going on about how the zd30 is a lil motor thats pushing the big old overwieght patrol, when theres thousands of 2-6ton trucks out there with motors between 2-3lts that dont have a problem carrying that wieght 12hrs a day, 6days a week, quite often with large trailers too. I cant c how you blokes call this motor "highly strung", its barely working 99% of the time. From my point of view (a qualified diesel mechanic) this motor mechanically is beautiful, i think the problem lies in the control system for it. All nissan had to do was incorparate a o2 sensor to monitor a/f ratios and all the problems would have been solved. even an e.g.t. pyro intergrated in the ecu to ease things up wen the goin was hard and presto.

Shaun

Perth Patrol wrote:gday, what im a lil confusd about is you blokes keep going on about how the zd30 is a lil motor thats pushing the big old overwieght patrol, when theres thousands of 2-6ton trucks out there with motors between 2-3lts that dont have a problem carrying that wieght 12hrs a day, 6days a week, quite often with large trailers too. I cant c how you blokes call this motor "highly strung", its barely working 99% of the time. From my point of view (a qualified diesel mechanic) this motor mechanically is beautiful, i think the problem lies in the control system for it. All nissan had to do was incorparate a o2 sensor to monitor a/f ratios and all the problems would have been solved. even an e.g.t. pyro intergrated in the ecu to ease things up wen the goin was hard and presto.

Shaun

did you buy one mate

Not sure how the light truck would go on the old telegraph track to the cape might be able to do some fertiliser drops offs on the way however think on this matter allot of us will have to agree to disagree.........

ARB Boggardtimer $209
Timer same brand at nissan $220

But your pyro gauge is pretty cheap i shall look into it for sure. I just didnt want to stat throwing 400 here and there at a work car which was the last dollars i spent for the cousin for the same guages on his truck. Be interested to see how the ususal driving style reads but $120 then no worries.. shall scope it out.

Bingham wrote:Not sure how the light truck would go on the old telegraph track to the cape might be able to do some fertiliser drops offs on the way however think on this matter allot of us will have to agree to disagree.........

ARB Boggardtimer $209
Timer same brand at nissan $220

But your pyro gauge is pretty cheap i shall look into it for sure. I just didnt want to stat throwing 400 here and there at a work car which was the last dollars i spent for the cousin for the same guages on his truck. Be interested to see how the ususal driving style reads but $120 then no worries.. shall scope it out.

The pyro setup quoted above is the same as the one bought in the last couple of group buys. They're cheap, quality built, and accurate. There would have to be over 70-80 people on here using that exact model, myself included.

Order Information - Order #5679 Qty. Products Total
1 ea. Automobile Multimeter for EGT, Boost, Blue $58.50
1 ea. EGT sensor with NPT thread $36.00

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Just to keep you boys happy

Bingham wrote: Just to keep you boys happy

keep us happy? I want it to die again

bogged wrote:

Bingham wrote: Just to keep you boys happy

keep us happy? I want it to die again

hey hey its a bit early to be like that i know deep down bogged you a SNAF, Sensitive New Age Fourwheeldriver...concenered for all 3L owners.. atleast wait on my next one before it goes boom ....again..