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Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:17 am**

SuperiorEngineering wrote:Would you have a link to the NZ forum that has this post ?

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... or#p173557

steve from advantage 4wd

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:36 pm**

dano80 wrote:Yeah, I wish the Kiwis would all go home.......

Dano.

Yeah THANKS Dano....I'm with what KIWI said and in fact while there are 1 or 2 people who make drop boxes here I chose to get mine from Superior last year.

Posted: **Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:50 pm**

Yeah it was a generalisation of Kiwis, my gripe about them is that they get over here and say new zealand this, and new zealand that......If its so good, GO HOME!

Sorry about the gripe (says getting off soap box!) back to thread.

Dano.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:12 am**

bogged from offroad express!

hey steve here

the hole prob has been fixed on the boxes long ago...

iam no longer moding old rear arms, but now making arms from scratch..
also trying to get some ome bushes for front and rear arms into nz..

megaflex front arms are almost ready should have one finished next week (a bit like your arn dave)
ready for testing in reefton at easter...

steve @ advantage 4wd
s.ransby@xtra.co.nz

funny, the dude can't even make drop boxes properly! and he sells all his $hit on trademe.nz

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:47 pm**

dano80 wrote:Yeah it was a generalisation of Kiwis, my gripe about them is that they get over here and say new zealand this, and new zealand that......If its so good, GO HOME!

Sorry about the gripe (says getting off soap box!) back to thread.

Dano.

No probs

I've spent a lot of time living and working in Sydney, Perth & Cairns and most Kiwi's I knew or came into contact with also spoke of home AND what it DIDN'T have that Aust DID have..after all thats why we were there.

Back ot what NZ needs is guys designing, testing and manufacturing aftermarket 4wd gear as does Superior or Oondy etc, but they need to be doing it on their own merits and innovation. I'm putting the pennies away for a super flex arm and the turbo kit and when the time comes they will be sourced from Aust as well.

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:17 pm**

Well, hopefully we can get back on topic, shouldn't have posted what I did as it has stirred things up a little

Posted: **Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:31 pm**

Nah as far as I'm concerned it's all good and hasn't stirred things up. And as far as anything else goes then a certain reputable firm in Aust manufacturing 4wd gear is now aware of a 'possible' copycat thing.

Posted: **Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:36 am**

jessie928 wrote: it woudl be difficult if there is no international patent on the arms.

Jes

Copyright can be much easier to enforce than patent infringement.

Posted: **Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:52 am**

I am upgrading my suspesnion soon and need some info and help to sort the front end out. I am lifting my SWB with 3 inch LWB springs so should have 3.5 to 4 inches of lift, on the rear I will be running 6 inch boss shock with my bump stops extended 2 inches so I can't bottom out and stuff the shocks. For the front I am not sure what to do as I have bought a second set of shock towers to cut up and weld onto my orginal towers. How high should I extend the towers?( I will drill a hole in the guards if the tower is raised 2 inches to get access for a socket to tighten the shocks top nut. If I go higher than 2 inches I will get a big holesaw as the shock towers will be through the gaurds.) Is 6 inch rear shocks and 8 inch shocks on the front a bad idea?

Posted: **Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:48 pm**

mine are on order... i really wish i had them now

Posted: **Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:14 am**

I have the super flex arms with soft dobin coils at the front with 12 inch travel boss shocks, the rear has medium duty coils and 12 inch travel shocks. Offroad the rear flex is insane but front has only improved a little and the rear still does most of the flexing so I get fair bit of body roll.

SuperiorEngineering wrote:
In R&D we found that if you were to go a bit heavier on the rear coils this makes the front end work a lot better as far as flex, it also stops a lot of body roll.
My red GQ is over 3t with 270lbs front coils EFS and 280 lbs rear coils EFS, this worked pretty good but slow it was a bit bouncy in the rear, and high speed the ass end was a bit prone to bounce on the rebound after going over a jump ,the front with super flex arms was good. high speed driving was okay.
We changed the rear coils to 340lbs dobinson coils and massive difference in handling both high speed as well as slow speed.
No less flex in the front or rear ,if anything the front flexed more due to the rear being a bit firmer and forcing the front to flex.
I run no sway bars front or rear , tough dog front 4" 80# cruiser with towers lifted 2 inchs, rear is 18" FOA remote resovoir with long arms and standard top mounted arms, hydraulic bumpstops.
This setup easily can be driven in rockcrawling or high speed events with no changes to anything.
Before you try the front swaybar just go to a slightly heavier rear coil and see how that goes, i think you will be pleased with the results.
Give me a call and i will get you the coils you will need.

What spring rate for the rear coils would make the front end flex better for SWB that is 2.1T?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:38 pm**

any updates?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:46 pm**

bogged wrote:any updates?

sorry, been really busy

But I am doing the drawings for the 2" versions, as a lot of guys seem to be getting lower lifts. also looking at doing some proper shock tower spacers, so you can fit big shocks on ~2-3" lifts and get max flex.

Greg

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:55 pm**

1MadEngineer wrote:
bogged wrote:any updates?
sorry, been really busy But I am doing the drawings for the 2" versions, as a lot of guys seem to be getting lower lifts. also looking at doing some proper shock tower spacers, so you can fit big shocks on ~2-3" lifts and get max flex.

Greg

your allowed to be busy

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:53 pm**

1MadEngineer wrote:
bogged wrote:any updates?
sorry, been really busy But I am doing the drawings for the 2" versions, as a lot of guys seem to be getting lower lifts. also looking at doing some proper shock tower spacers, so you can fit big shocks on ~2-3" lifts and get max flex.

Greg

Recently raised my shock towers, I don't have a body lift and raised them 50mm and couldn't get towers back in, lowered to 40mm same problem, lowered to 35mm and they fitted, then raised them with 15mm plate spacers. Wheel arch needed hole to access the top nut for the shock.

Raised shock towers fitted.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:05 pm**

1MadEngineer wrote:
bogged wrote:any updates?
sorry, been really busy But I am doing the drawings for the 2" versions, as a lot of guys seem to be getting lower lifts. also looking at doing some proper shock tower spacers, so you can fit big shocks on ~2-3" lifts and get max flex.

Greg

Perfect.

Posted: **Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:59 pm**

To the people that have had these arms for a while, is there any problems at all?

Been reading about these thing's and i'm redy to buy a set, just want some feed back from people that have had them for a while now.

Posted: **Mon Oct 05, 2009 5:54 am**

B.D.R wrote:To the people that have had these arms for a while, is there any problems at all?

Been reading about these thing's and i'm redy to buy a set, just want some feed back from people that have had them for a while now.

I have only had mine for 1 month and the biggest problem I have found is getting the rear spring rates right. I replaced all my suspesnion when I installed the arms and due too my rear spring rate being to soft( medium duty rear coils and soft duty front) I have tones of rear travel and frontend hardly flexes compared to the stock arms!
I have ordered some new stiffer rear springs that are 294 pounds and apparently these should stiffen the rear up and cause the front end to flex more without loosing flex at the rear.

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:05 pm**

SIM79 wrote:I have only had mine for 1 month and the biggest problem I have found is getting the rear spring rates right. I replaced all my suspesnion when I installed the arms and due too my rear spring rate being to soft( medium duty rear coils and soft duty front) I have tones of rear travel and frontend hardly flexes compared to the stock arms!
I have ordered some new stiffer rear springs that are 294 pounds and apparently these should stiffen the rear up and cause the front end to flex more without loosing flex at the rear.

How's this working for you now?

Posted: **Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:40 pm**

Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).

Posted: **Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:09 am**

SIM79 wrote:Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).

good stuff! should ride a bit better too? less pitching? sorta compensates for the shorter wheelbase...

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:00 pm**

SIM79 wrote:Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).

Thanks,

Any chance of a model number? Or what they are otherwise setup to suit?

Trying to work out a starting point for my LWB.

Greg I think I remember you posting up the spring rate of the rear coils of the red rig somewhere once. I'll search around for it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:09 pm**

zookimal wrote: Any chance of a model number?

Dobin C70-335V.

Posted: **Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:28 pm**

Fitting rear swaybar has impoved the frontend flex, I parked my car and went looking at new line and was very surpised to see the front flexing like this when I got back.

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:20 pm**

SIM79 wrote:Fitting rear swaybar has impoved the frontend flex

I've been running a rear sway bar. Better in some spots, worse in others. Having a play on little tyres

Posted: **Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:44 pm**

SIM79 wrote:
zookimal wrote: Any chance of a model number?
Dobin C70-335V.

This part number can only be purchased from (us) Suspension Stuff.

Shane.

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:09 pm**

SIM79 wrote:Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).

Hey Sim, Are these 294lb coils of yours LWB 3" springs and any idea
of wire diameter?

cheers

Jamie

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:08 pm**

twodiffs wrote:
SIM79 wrote:Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).
Hey Sim, Are these 294lb coils of yours LWB 3" springs and any idea
of wire diameter?

cheers

Jamie

they'd be 20-21mm .

Posted: **Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:23 pm**

pinkfloyddsotm wrote:
twodiffs wrote:
SIM79 wrote:Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).
Hey Sim, Are these 294lb coils of yours LWB 3" springs and any idea
of wire diameter?

cheers

Jamie
they'd be 20-21mm .

Its hard to measure but they are around 21 or 22mm.

Posted: **Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:52 pm**

SIM79 wrote:
pinkfloyddsotm wrote:
twodiffs wrote:
SIM79 wrote:Its a lot better, as I am running new 294 pound rear coils and this made a big difference as now the front and rear are working to gether at the same time( very little body roll), before the rear was doing majority of the flexing( heaps of body roll).
Hey Sim, Are these 294lb coils of yours LWB 3" springs and any idea
of wire diameter?

cheers

Jamie
they'd be 20-21mm .
Its hard to measure but they are around 21 or 22mm.

Cheers, looking into it over here and i've found a distributor who can give me LWB 3" in either 19mm or 20mm options (currently have 19mm coils but they are showing signs of sagging).
I'm going to stay with 19mm but may go for the 20mm jobbies.

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