Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Maybe we should propose the question to those running the HQ racing events whether we can run XB Falcons in their comp. Whatever answer they come up with we'll run with for this GQ racing event.

I think it'd be something like "Go and get...." (not sure of the rest )

Ruffy wrote:

frp88 wrote:So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.

See.. Your making it expensive for yourself!.. Within the rules of the class Darren is proposing my scenario was feasible... But you WANT more, not need more!
This is budget, As mentioned alot of winches are worth 15 grand!

If you are going to run under the event orgenizer rules I can't see why he would let you race without the same safety standard I know that MMM wouldn't.I don't think that laurie spent $100000 on his Hilux

Winches??

Are we talking Highmount or Lowmount??

There are a lot of Cheap Lowmounts around and Cheap Bars for them.

Another thing to keep the $$ down for Joe Blow.

frp88 wrote:

Ruffy wrote:

frp88 wrote:So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.

See.. Your making it expensive for yourself!.. Within the rules of the class Darren is proposing my scenario was feasible... But you WANT more, not need more!
This is budget, As mentioned alot of winches are worth 15 grand!

If you are going to run under the event orgenizer rules I can't see why he would let you race without the same safety standard I know that MMM wouldn't.I don't think that laurie spent $100000 on his Hilux

Ok so harness's and helmets. Well under a G.. Biggers!

Remydog05 wrote:Winches??

Are we talking Highmount or Lowmount??

There are a lot of Cheap Lowmounts around and Cheap Bars for them.

Another thing to keep the $$ down for Joe Blow.

there is reason they are cheap

enough said on that. High mounts it is !!

Let them run low mounts if they want to as long as it is an off the shelf product.

Their disadvantage but cheaper.

LOCKEE wrote:Let them run low mounts if they want to as long as it is an off the shelf product.

Their disadvantage but cheaper.

the cars will need to be up to a certian standard or it will be boring and too many dnf's ect.
it is fairly standard practice to have a high mount winch.

we dont want cars stuck for hours because the low mount wasnt up to the task. remember this isnt shitbox racing or crash and bash

krimnl wrote:........ remember this isnt shitbox racing ...

Didn't you say it's a GQ only class?

krimnl wrote:

LOCKEE wrote:Let them run low mounts if they want to as long as it is an off the shelf product.

Their disadvantage but cheaper.

the cars will need to be up to a certian standard or it will be boring and too many dnf's ect.
it is fairly standard practice to have a high mount winch.

we dont want cars stuck for hours because the low mount wasnt up to the task. remember this isnt shitbox racing or crash and bash

Fair point.

Anyone who wants to run another class can also develop it like Pete and Darren have also.

LOCKEE wrote:

krimnl wrote:

LOCKEE wrote:Let them run low mounts if they want to as long as it is an off the shelf product.

Their disadvantage but cheaper.

the cars will need to be up to a certian standard or it will be boring and too many dnf's ect.
it is fairly standard practice to have a high mount winch.

we dont want cars stuck for hours because the low mount wasnt up to the task. remember this isnt shitbox racing or crash and bash

Fair point.

Anyone who wants to run another class can also develop it like Pete and Darren have also.

I agree with lockee, If you dont like the class then dont compete. If you want to race in another truck, spend the 100k to be competitive or start your own class.

Standard off the shelf turbo kits on diesels should be allowed as a standard petrol still has more power, Just my thought!

mattlux wrote:Standard off the shelf turbo kits on diesels should be allowed as a standard petrol still has more power, Just my thought!

Hard to control the amount of boost they run - but is an un-cooled TD going to go as well as a petty? (serious question)

dogbreath_48 wrote:

mattlux wrote:Standard off the shelf turbo kits on diesels should be allowed as a standard petrol still has more power, Just my thought!

Hard to control the amount of boost they run - but is an un-cooled TD going to go as well as a petty? (serious question)

yes, they still can handle boost increase without intercooler.

Even if they run 25psi through a standard kit (no cooler) then they would only last one stage. But with a petrol whats to stop you playing with crank, pistons, cams and serious head work etc and then you still have more power than a kit form diesel running 25psi

LOCKEE wrote:

krimnl wrote:

LOCKEE wrote:Let them run low mounts if they want to as long as it is an off the shelf product.

Their disadvantage but cheaper.

the cars will need to be up to a certian standard or it will be boring and too many dnf's ect.
it is fairly standard practice to have a high mount winch.

we dont want cars stuck for hours because the low mount wasnt up to the task. remember this isnt shitbox racing or crash and bash

Fair point.

Anyone who wants to run another class can also develop it like Pete and Darren have also.

There just isn't enough of the "other" makes to just start another class. To be honest opening this up to other makes isn't going to change what enters anyway as 99% will be GQ's anyway. But the way I see it is why cut them few off? Are you guys scared that they will bet your beloved GQ shit boxes? I say step up, and in choppers words, harden the fark up

Darren I think allow low mounts as long as they warn low mounts. Just make the winch rule "warn winches only, min 8000lb" Other then my low mount being SLOW!!!!!!!! it has never missed a beat in 8 years and it has done its fair share of work. I know alot of high mounts that have done less work and needed rebuilding. Low mount warns are cheap second hand and there is no differance in reliability riskes with them over a second hand high mount.
I agree 100% with other brand name winches

Oh and I think you'll be surprised at the differance in numbers you'll get between people that have shown an interest and the number of people that will hand over the cash so to speak.

anyone lookin for a cheap car to start with?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1988-Nissan-Patr ... dZViewItem

bogged wrote:anyone lookin for a cheap car to start with?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1988-Nissan-Patr ... QQitemZ330
142259768QQihZ014QQcategoryZ149116QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

dont tell everyone , i was watching that to build a sample car out off

krimnl wrote:dont tell everyone , i was watching that to build a sample car out off

there are about 4-5 on there for under a grand...

you are still at it . Shhhh dont tell everyone we need a cheapy so we can build a prototype

krimnl wrote:you are still at it . Shhhh dont tell everyone we need a cheapy so we can build a prototype

how are you going to build the proto - are you going to be a bolt on bandit like 90% of the possible competitors will be, and not really doing much work themselves...

not sure if I read it anywhere, are you going to allow fiberglass guards for cheap repairs over metal?

bogged wrote:

krimnl wrote:you are still at it . Shhhh dont tell everyone we need a cheapy so we can build a prototype

how are you going to build the proto - are you going to be a bolt on bandit like 90% of the possible competitors will be, and not really doing much work themselves...

not sure if I read it anywhere, are you going to allow fiberglass guards for cheap repairs over metal?

You can repair metals gaurds with Glass and metals ones are cheaper to buy???






I'm not sure what the bolt on bandit bit is all about but i'm sure it'll be putting a negative aspect on something

Ruffy wrote: I'm not sure what the bolt on bandit bit is all about but i'm sure it'll be putting a negative aspect on something

then if you dont know what your on about Shhhhhhh... its easier. (insert head in arse image)

what Im sayin in Krim is an experienced competitor, and would find it easier and cheaper with his contacts and parts at home, beg borrow steal, to build a machine that the average pleb with no comp experience, no contacts, fuck all mechanical experience fuck all tools and shit like that.

if you have ever worked with glass you will know how easy it is to repair...

bogged wrote:

Ruffy wrote: I'm not sure what the bolt on bandit bit is all about but i'm sure it'll be putting a negative aspect on something

then if you dont know what your on about Shhhhhhh... its easier. (insert head in arse image)

what Im sayin in Krim is an experienced competitor, and would find it easier and cheaper with his contacts and parts at home, beg borrow steal, to build a machine that the average pleb with no comp experience, no contacts, ***** all mechanical experience ***** all tools and shit like that.

if you have ever worked with glass you will know how easy it is to repair...

Yes Bruce.

steel panels only , they are much cheaper to replace than glass.
anyone can lay a guard on the ground and hammer it back into a rough shape of a guard.
if not it can be replaced with a new one for around $180
fiberglass is easy to repair if you know how to do it. if you dont know **** it can get messy

I am a seasoned competitor and have lots of contacts. this is another good reason for GQ racing as we can use some of them contacts to benefit everyone

krimnl wrote:steel panels only , they are much cheaper to replace than glass.
anyone can lay a guard on the ground and hammer it back into a rough shape of a guard.
if not it can be replaced with a new one for around $180
fiberglass is easy to repair if you know how to do it. if you dont know **** it can get messy

I am a seasoned competitor and have lots of contacts. this is another good reason for GQ racing as we can use some of them contacts to benefit everyone

kewl... As I have been talking to 3-4 dudes in our club that have GQ's, (one is searching for a new TB after toolangi trip few weeks ago), and they are all keen - about the only keenness in the place.

So keep it going. It also depends how serious this will end up - sponsors, entry fees, the actual tracks, and how many rounds per year...

Glass is easy to work with, just dont spill the resin container on your self, legs, cods, chest... or have a war with the other boat builder your working with with resin guns

again goodon ya for thinkin of something cheap.

dont worry about glass panels. keep it easy, metal.my 454 bigblock is easy to repair and stronger, can i race with that.

can the efi be removed from the tb42e and replaced with a carby in order to compete in carby-class racing (uh, I mean GQ class racing). I'm not sure if it's quite as easy as that. Just posing the question

GQ Bear wrote:can the efi be removed from the tb42e and replaced with a carby in order to compete in carby-class racing (uh, I mean GQ class racing). I'm not sure if it's quite as easy as that. Just posing the question

yep thats easy enough to do. and will be allowed.

GQ Bear wrote:can the efi be removed from the tb42e and replaced with a carby in order to compete in carby-class racing (uh, I mean GQ class racing). I'm not sure if it's quite as easy as that. Just posing the question

You'd need to swap the dizzy aswell. But it wouldn't be too hard if you knew what you were doing.
You don't know what you're doing though turtle boy lol.

Darren,
in the same vain as above can the car be dual fuel but run on petrol for the comp or would the gas need to be removed or isolated in some way?