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Gary is very quiet, I thought he would have thrown his KIA hat into the ring
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Peter.

Pete this is doing wonders for your post count. Is this a suzuki thing and your trying to catch greg and grimbo

this is doin wonders for everybodys post count and OLs member count too

turps wrote:Pete this is doing wonders for your post count. Is this a suzuki thing and your trying to catch greg and grimbo

It is getting a bit like that isn't it?
I just arc up to easy with all the crap coming from "rent a croud"

Greg starts a new job soon, and he isn't allowed to access the web so his count is going down the shitter real quick, and if Graham gets his car going as he says he will (yaaaawn) we will never shut him up, (you can only rehash 5 year old anecdotes for so long) so his count will go through the roof, I have given you all good warning!
Peter.
Ha, Ha, that is one more post.

droopypete wrote:Greg starts a new job soon, and he isn't allowed to access the web so his count is going down the shitter real quick, and if Graham gets his car going as he says he will (yaaaawn) we will never shut him up, (you can only rehash 5 year old anecdotes for so long) so his count will go through the roof, I have given you all good warning!
Peter.
Ha, Ha, that is one more post.

Pete if i recall correctly - you're car hasn't touched low range since Sunday March the 8th this year... Pretty soon you too will be a lowly webwheeler

You're right though - once grimbo gets some new material to write about - we'll never hear the end of it.

greg wrote:Pete if i recall correctly - you're car hasn't touched low range since Sunday March the 8th this year... Pretty soon you too will be a lowly webwheeler

You're right though - once grimbo gets some new material to write about - we'll never hear the end of it.

March 8 was it? damn that a long time, but I did have the L/Cruiser in low range for only the third time on the week end not bad for an 88 model
Peter.

Folks,

This thread is now up to 6 pages of jibberish. Perhaps someone could put together a greatest hits (so far) post of quotes to save me some time.

Afterall, I've only got 8 hours a day to burn on this site.

Thanks in advance.

grimbo wrote:Now didn't Ford get the original contract to build a lightweight 4wd vehicle for the US armed forces. After successfully getting the contract and building some the contract was then taken over by Willys Overland and the jeep was born.

Also Meerington harmon (I think that was their name) were making 4wds well before the WWII. So shut up about Jeep being the first 4wd because it is crap. As I said they were probably the first to market them successfully to the civilan market so in the eyes of the public sector they may appear to be the "first".

As to saying I have shit dribbling from my mouth when i said you would be better off to buy a Tj and spend the money on getting aftermarket parts instead of buying a Rubicon. Why is that shit?
The Dana 44s in the Rubicon are basically a hybrid and not as strong or as common as a Dana 44. And the factory mark up on the other components top cover the warranty issues makes the exercise alot more expensive than buying the parts yourself. So go ahead and believe all the marketing babble that Jeep are very good at or you could actually make up your mind about them

Yep Ford won the contract but couldn't supply enough jeeps, so Willys Overland was contracted to supply extra jeeps, using the Ford design. Pretty much the only thing they improved was the manufacture of the grill piece.

To me it really doesn't come down to who was first.

To me a good 4wd is a combination of off road and on road personality.

To me NO other 4wd can give me the freedom and choices of the TJ. If the sun is shinning I can take the roof down, if it's cold I can put a hard top on. If a few of my mates want to go on a HARDCORE 4wd w/e then I can mix it with the best of them and sometimes do it better. I can put some polish on the TJ and she comes up as good as any of the ricers around, and they don't have a convertable.

NO other 4WD manufactuer can boast they have only 4wd's in their line up, Jeep ONLY make 4wd's. No 2wd's like Toyo, Nissian or Ford. Some say that the newer Jeeps arn't "real" 4wd's but look at the amount of plastic and elec gizmos is on most of the newer 4wd's these days.

Really it comes down to respecting each other and having fun.

Careful Lexx, the landrover boys might start a fight if they don't know about their 2wd version

Where is the MU (Isuzu) selection tab..... seem its got three votes so far...........

i like my zook but if i had plenty of dollas id get an 80series

LEXX wrote:To me it really doesn't come down to who was first.

To me a good 4wd is a combination of off road and on road personality.

To me NO other 4wd can give me the freedom and choices of the TJ. If the sun is shinning I can take the roof down, if it's cold I can put a hard top on. If a few of my mates want to go on a HARDCORE 4wd w/e then I can mix it with the best of them and sometimes do it better. I can put some polish on the TJ and she comes up as good as any of the ricers around, and they don't have a convertable.

NO other 4WD manufactuer can boast they have only 4wd's in their line up, Jeep ONLY make 4wd's. No 2wd's like Toyo, Nissian or Ford. Some say that the newer Jeeps arn't "real" 4wd's but look at the amount of plastic and elec gizmos is on most of the newer 4wd's these days.

Really it comes down to respecting each other and having fun.

Well put Lexx, The Jeep is the last of the "true" convertables (doors off screen down) I was pissed with Suzuki when the new Jimny came out with that piss poor excuse for a soft top , I have been driving roof off, doors off for nearly twenty years, it is the only way to go, and when the weather turns, pop on a roof and you are good to go.

I don't however think your "Jeep ONLY make 4wd's" argument works Lexx, these days all the brands are all a bit incestuous, Jeep/Chrysler and I don't know who owns Chrysler at the moment, but you can be sure they are all swapping notes between departments.
I feel it is a bit like me saying that Patrol or Land cruiser only make 4x4's which is bollocks, as they are only brand names or models marketed by the parent co, and while Jeep has been a brand that has been traded left and right over the years, would I be right in saying that they are just another dept of the Chrysler Corp? do we find the sharing of technology between Jeeps and other models in the Chrysler group?
I am not saying this to shitcan the Jeep, but just as all cars are starting to look the same, all the brands are becoming homogenised in an atempt to save $
Peter.

Hi Grimbo & Mkpatrolguy
Willys actually designed the Jeep but could not meet prodution Quantities so Ford became involved.
The same thing happened with the RR Merlin.They were built by Rover and Packard as well.
A V8 90 still has to be the best 4X4 BY FAR
J Top

J Top wrote:Hi Grimbo & Mkpatrolguy
Willys actually designed the Jeep but could not meet prodution Quantities so Ford became involved.
The same thing happened with the RR Merlin.They were built by Rover and Packard as well.
A V8 90 still has to be the best 4X4 BY FAR
J Top

Oops, I had the right jist of it, just mixed the 2 manufacturers up.

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

grimbo wrote:Now didn't Ford get the original contract to build a lightweight 4wd vehicle for the US armed forces. After successfully getting the contract and building some the contract was then taken over by Willys Overland and the jeep was born.

Also Meerington harmon (I think that was their name) were making 4wds well before the WWII. So shut up about Jeep being the first 4wd because it is crap. As I said they were probably the first to market them successfully to the civilan market so in the eyes of the public sector they may appear to be the "first".

As to saying I have shit dribbling from my mouth when i said you would be better off to buy a Tj and spend the money on getting aftermarket parts instead of buying a Rubicon. Why is that shit?
The Dana 44s in the Rubicon are basically a hybrid and not as strong or as common as a Dana 44. And the factory mark up on the other components top cover the warranty issues makes the exercise alot more expensive than buying the parts yourself. So go ahead and believe all the marketing babble that Jeep are very good at or you could actually make up your mind about them

Yep Ford won the contract but couldn't supply enough jeeps, so Willys Overland was contracted to supply extra jeeps, using the Ford design. Pretty much the only thing they improved was the manufacture of the grill piece.

I think it was Bantam that won the design contract and they were taken over by Willys Overland. They could not build enough so Ford built them aswell.Ford were second in the design comp.

I could be rong!!!

Ahhhh Jeep history something I do know a bit about….Summary:
Bantam created the design, but took a few months for the army to get interested.
Then when the army did get interested they issued specs for tender to 10 companies.
Three companies responded with prototypes Bantam, Willys & Ford.
Willys won the contact, but couldn’t meet the required volume, so the army threw the Willys plans to Ford. Ford then changed their model designnator from GP to GPW.
Bantam was contracted to build trailers.

Wooders wrote:Ahhhh Jeep history something I do know a bit about….Summary:
Bantam created the design, but took a few months for the army to get interested.
Then when the army did get interested they issued specs for tender to 10 companies.
Three companies responded with prototypes Bantam, Willys & Ford.
Willys won the contact, but couldn’t meet the required volume, so the army threw the Willys plans to Ford. Ford then changed their model designnator from GP to GPW.
Bantam was contracted to build trailers.

Ripped off.
Peter.

It took this many page for someone to work out who made the Jeep

Europeans were making 4bys well before anyone else end of chat.

If I was to choose between the Landrover and the Jeep I would choose mmmmmmm let me get back to you on that

The Russian Gaz 61 was built in 1938 a few years before a Jeep or L/R spec.

Singo17 wrote:If I was to choose between the Landrover and the Jeep I would choose mmmmmmm let me get back to you on that

Landie, easily.

C'mon, that's an easy choice man.

Jason

chimpboy wrote:

Singo17 wrote:If I was to choose between the Landrover and the Jeep I would choose mmmmmmm let me get back to you on that

Landie, easily.

C'mon, that's an easy choice man.

Jason

I think they are both agricultural implements and therefore the choice is a difficult one.

Singo17 wrote:The Russian Gaz 61 was built in 1938 a few years before a Jeep or L/R spec.

Also the Germans had similar vehicles built pre 1940

Toyotas back in front where they belong!!

no cheating required.

Watched the MORNING SHOW as I was haveing breakie and saw that OZZY built Anphibious 4X4 made by GIBB something or rather?
It does 45MPH on the water and looks great.
Did anyone see it?

bj on roids wrote:Toyotas back in front where they belong!!

no cheating required.

maybe on vote count, but not percentage

maybe on vote count, but not percentage

Not when i looked at it! Toyota is ahead on both percentage and vote count

Id say the answer to what is the best 4wd made would depend on the period. Eg - 50's, 60's, 70's, 80, 90's etc. At different times you would get a different answer. Maybe a range rover was the best 4wd made when it was first released. But not now. In the early 80's it would be hard to go past a BJ42 with factory front disk brakes, factory power steering, optional factory PTO winch, strong 5 speed gearbox, strong transfer, fully floating axles and strong diffs.

i voted toyota