Outer Limits 4x4 Board

dwaynes wrote:

dwaynes wrote:Darren,
in the same vain as above can the car be dual fuel but run on petrol for the comp or would the gas need to be removed or isolated in some way?

Darren any comment on this?

imwo, I cant see you expecting people to remove gas systems, if these are going to also be daily drivers

I dont think gas will be a problem of petrol motors, definatly a NO on diesel

I know you are all bias one eyed jap crap 4x4 supporters here but if you really wanted a one design controlled class racing it would have been worth considering the existing classes in the rest of the world

Jeepspeed in the US http://www.jeepspeed.com/ has done exactly this for off road racing (baja style) but a few minor rule mods could see the same for winch style events.

XJ sells for around 5K to 7K they have huge range of after market parts, good power to weight ratio with a EFI inline 6

I am sure there is similar events in Europe for land rover also

Werock has showed that linking into a global event has some big advantages

personally I dont think the scene in Australia is big enough for this yet but best of luck

krimnl wrote:

badger wrote:withis class be vic/nsw only or will there be events in qld as well?

I have spoken to David about this class, he is all for us doing it. we will make it so that these cars will fit into his standard class.

So you will be racing against other makes under the same rules in MMM winch challenge

Darren,

As someone building a GQ this class sounds great. A couple of questions though, just so I dont go building something I have to unbuild in order to get a race.

-Can the carby be modified in any way?
-What changes can be made to the standard ignition system?
-Can coil cabs race? as long as the compliance plate says so they are still a GQ.
-What will we be allowed to do in the way of ratios/lockers/transfer gears etc etc. Do they have to remain standard or are they open?
-Door trims are to stay. Mine where slashed when I got the car and are not checkerplate, do I have to source originals?
- Does the interior have to stay? The rooflining in mine was slashed also and was going to be removed for a cage install. The carpet will get pretty stinky after a few mud runs. i cant see it being a massive performance gain without it.
-Do you know what 'control' equipment we are going to have to use yet, bar, tyres and susp? I dont want to buy something that might have to be removed!!
-Are the wheels going to be regulated? Will Toyota offset sunraysias be a maximum offset? my thinking is this will stop crazy offset rims and wheel spacers.

Thanks for the effort to help those without a cheque book to have a race!!

Mark.

Silver GU wrote:Darren,

As someone building a GQ this class sounds great. A couple of questions though, just so I dont go building something I have to unbuild in order to get a race.

-Can the carby be modified in any way?
-What changes can be made to the standard ignition system?
-Can coil cabs race? as long as the compliance plate says so they are still a GQ.
-What will we be allowed to do in the way of ratios/lockers/transfer gears etc etc. Do they have to remain standard or are they open?
-Door trims are to stay. Mine where slashed when I got the car and are not checkerplate, do I have to source originals?
- Does the interior have to stay? The rooflining in mine was slashed also and was going to be removed for a cage install. The carpet will get pretty stinky after a few mud runs. i cant see it being a massive performance gain without it.
-Do you know what 'control' equipment we are going to have to use yet, bar, tyres and susp? I dont want to buy something that might have to be removed!!
-Are the wheels going to be regulated? Will Toyota offset sunraysias be a maximum offset? my thinking is this will stop crazy offset rims and wheel spacers.

Thanks for the effort to help those without a cheque book to have a race!!

Mark.

thanks for the feedback Mark.
Carby can be modified but must remain factory carby
Electronic ignition can be fitted (any type OK)
Coil cabs can race as long as its a coil cab from the factory
lockers and ratios in diffs and gearbox will be open
door trims ,roof linings and floor coverings must remain, smooth floors and no rooflinings have a RWC issue and door trims will help keep the 'stock' look
No control equiptment as yet
rims are unsure at the moment, would like to say open , but want to save that 3k worth of walker evans rims

will get feedback this weekend at ateco then move forward with this.

is there anything further on this?

there wouldnt be too many non modified GQs left
out there,OBC tried this with a sort of factory class,
but didnt they find that some die/hard com rigs
being slightly demodified to compete, creating an
unfare advantage on the real ones..I suppose there
will always be loop holes

dwaynes wrote:is there anything further on this?

?

we have been exploring an offroad class based on similar set up, using off road racing rules, and stadium racing is making a come back as well.

Perhaps if we can put heads together, i have afew suppliers who would like to be involved already as well, and the vehicles, if done right could compete in many fields over a year.

We are also looking at owning 5 and leasing them out.

I havn been reading all the posts so this may be a double up.
Are aftermarket GQ CV,s and axles OK, straight bolt it type. ???

BUMP

Any updates/progress?

any updateds or pics of the proto??

Once the rules for such a comp class are finalised, then the people that enter will have their
individual driving/navi talent on display.......and the best will win.

Who cares what the rules are, so long as everyone is on a level playingfield........

I hope that it will take away the serious undertones that the current competition is plagued with. (caus of $$$$)

GQ class is the way to get more numbers involved in off road.......

Gone Quiet??

std80 wrote:Gone Quiet??

been a while now, anywhere with this, or the doe doe?

as far as my knowledge goes this is still active! just being planned etc still

cooki_monsta wrote:as far as my knowledge goes this is still active! just being planned etc still

correct Greg , just been busy with work ect.

CCDA is taking suggestions for new rules and we have discussed a new class. something like off road racing that has a production class and a modified class. these classes should be run together and production class should be looked on as a class and not a stepping stone to the modified class.

A couple of ideas have been forwarded to the CCDA , this is some basic notes that i have put together and open for discussion. If you think you can do better then start typing and send your thoughts to the CCDA .



GQ CLASS RACING
Or production class racing


1: BODY SPECIFICATION
Open to any make or model
All cars must be road registered
Must retain original body type .ie: wagon must not be cut down into a ute. This is determined by whats on the compliance plate.
No fibreglass replacement panels, all panels including bonnet must be steel.
Guards can be cut to allow clearance for the bigger tyres
Rear ¼ panel lowers can be trimmed behind the rear wheel
All glass must be retained in the body
Maximum 2â€

did I miss suspension lift limit?

Edit: Std engines only for either petrol or diesel
does this mean standard fitment to car, or standard, not fully worked - eg can you run a 4.8/4.5 GU donk


sounds good, there will be complaints about no cut downs, no turbo and no glass panels, but keeps costs down.

what about lockers ? aftermarket or factory or just none ?

As it says it is open to any Make and model, how many vehicles have commercially available high mount winch front bars available to them? If they don't then does this mean bars can be modified and if so, how far?

Gearing changes to diffs and transfer cases?

Lockers?

Exhaust mods?

Batteries?

Upgraded alternators?

Can diffs be shaved?

I didnt really take much notice of this as last time I looked T/D were out.

Now this is in...

krimnl wrote: Diesel can be turbo charged but not intercooler

I'll be following with great interest.

I think its a great idea.

Good luck with it all and make sure you let us know if you need a hand with anything.

Nick

rules about LPG will be needed to. especially for diesels.

PAUL

I think those rules are very good.
Only one I don't agree with is the winch must be a high mount.
Lots of people don't want to spend big dollars on a winch. I don't see a problem with having a low mount. You can still have just as many dramas with high mounts. Infact they burn out motors a lot more then low mounts do.

Plasma is another thing that just adds to the cost and is an un-needed extra cost. There is nothing wrong with using cable if the safety measures are seen to like dampers and gloves and these are in the rules. Cable is just heavier and there for a disadvantage to those running it.

Sounds spot on to me.

+1 on Guts' comments though re: lowmounts and steel cable.

I assume aftermarket/strengthened tierods/lower control arms etc are all ok?

rules should reflect the real world

navi's should cary chainsaws and be expected to use 'em

more tracks-------less greenies

Guts wrote:I think those rules are very good.
Only one I don't agree with is the winch must be a high mount.
Lots of people don't want to spend big dollars on a winch. I don't see a problem with having a low mount. You can still have just as many dramas with high mounts. Infact they burn out motors a lot more then low mounts do.

Plasma is another thing that just adds to the cost and is an un-needed extra cost. There is nothing wrong with using cable if the safety measures are seen to like dampers and gloves and these are in the rules. Cable is just heavier and there for a disadvantage to those running it.

the issue with low mounts is they are so slow. these cars will be running in the same stages as the challenge cars , they need to be as fast as we can get them without going over the top. the high mount with 12volt and a 6hp motor is still very fast.
The Plasma is a saftey item. I think we will see all steel cable banned from comps soon. It has been in NZ and is being pushed here.

krimnl wrote: 3: SUSPENSION

What about air bumpstops?

krimnl wrote: 4: DIFFS
Factory fitted diff housings must remain

So does this mean no GU into GQ?

krimnl wrote: 6: STEERING

No word on GU box onto GQ - does this mean that this would be ok?

Sandy Rut wrote:

krimnl wrote: 3: SUSPENSION

What about air bumpstops?

krimnl wrote: 4: DIFFS
Factory fitted diff housings must remain

So does this mean no GU into GQ?

krimnl wrote: 6: STEERING

No word on GU box onto GQ - does this mean that this would be ok?

3. air bump stops should be ok i think
4. diffs must be FACTORY FITMENT so no, gu diffs wont be ok
6. steering is still open so i cant see gu boxes being a problem

bogged wrote:did I miss suspension lift limit?

Edit: Std engines only for either petrol or diesel
does this mean standard fitment to car, or standard, not fully worked - eg can you run a 4.8/4.5 GU donk


sounds good, there will be complaints about no cut downs, no turbo and no glass panels, but keeps costs down.

krimnl wrote: 2: ENGINE & GEARBOX
Diesel can be turbo charged but not intercooler

3: SUSPENSION
suspension lift is open