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151kw and 430 nm , that's the specs for the 4.2 six cylinder turbo diesel that it's replacing (could be a typo)

here is some more info, V8 diesel mmm








http://lc70.toyota.com.au/toyota/vehicl ... 12,00.html

Kingo wrote:151kw and 430 nm , that's the specs for the 4.2 six cylinder turbo diesel that it's replacing (could be a typo)

Old figures are more like this:
Power (kW@rpm) 122@3400
Torque (nm@rpm) 380@1400

According to toyota.com.au

The 4.2 I6 in the 100 series has 150kw and 430Nm
I know the same engine in the 70 series was detuned but I don't know the figures.

The 4.5l V8 in the 70 series has the same figures (151kw and 430Nm).

The europeans get more than that from a diesel half the size. There's gonna be a lot of potential for aftermarket tweaks for one.

PDF here:
http://www.lc70.toyota.com.au/TWR/conte ... /26811.pdf

KiwiBacon wrote:According to toyota.com.au

The 4.2 I6 in the 100 series has 150kw and 430Nm
I know the same engine in the 70 series was detuned but I don't know the figures.

The 4.5l V8 in the 70 series has the same figures (151kw and 430Nm).

This is sounding a bit like 206kW GTR's/STI's/EVO's etc.

I've driven the single cab. Was very disapointed in performance, expected a hell of a lot more grunt out of the V8. Didn't get a chance to line it up against our 4.2TD 79 and 100 series but I'm pretty sure it would have got spanked. Inside is virtually identical to 79. The only thing I noticed was the "idle up" switch tacked on the side of the dash. Under the bonnet is neat and tidy. Intercooler is friggin huge!
Oh and the front track is about 4" wider than the rear.

Sorry, my mistake, the utes and troopie turbo diesels had 122kw 380nm but the wagon had the intercooled turbo which put out 150(some specs said 151)kw and 430nm.

brumby runner wrote:I've driven the single cab. Was very disapointed in performance, expected a hell of a lot more grunt out of the V8. Didn't get a chance to line it up against our 4.2TD 79 and 100 series but I'm pretty sure it would have got spanked. Inside is virtually identical to 79. The only thing I noticed was the "idle up" switch tacked on the side of the dash. Under the bonnet is neat and tidy. Intercooler is friggin huge!
Oh and the front track is about 4" wider than the rear.

How does a brand new vehicle that has the same/more torque and power output than the previous model (and it comes on earlier in the rev range) get spanked by the older model vehicle? Are gearbox/diffs the same?

Same gearbox, H151
Same diff ratio, 4.11

Maybe my tester was a dud. Maybe the motor was still tight and would loosen up in time. But I dont think it has anywhere near the claimed output. I do think it has oodles of potential though.

[quote="brumby runner"]Same gearbox, H151
Same diff ratio, 4.11

Incorrect the cab chassi's and troopies have 4.3:1 diff ratios, which is the same as the last model 78,79 series.

Ben

dogbreath_48 wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:According to toyota.com.au

The 4.2 I6 in the 100 series has 150kw and 430Nm
I know the same engine in the 70 series was detuned but I don't know the figures.

The 4.5l V8 in the 70 series has the same figures (151kw and 430Nm).

This is sounding a bit like 206kW GTR's/STI's/EVO's etc.

Maybe 430Nm is all the confidence they have in their gearboxes?

Looks like Toyota must have been on a shoestring budget when they developed this one!!!!!

patrolmad wrote:Looks like Toyota must have been on a shoestring budget when they developed this one!!!!!

I think you will find there is an agreement in Japan on how much power & torque they allow to produce.
Much like the Supra's & GTR's in standard form only put out 203kw but a little external fiddling & exhaust mods produced remarkable power figures 300+kw , It's going to be unleashed by some tune up shops for sure but the factory trucks are not the fire breathing monsters I was expecting. I was beside a Troopy ute the other day and the sales guy gave it a boot full at the lights and it didn't scream off the line like I expected it too. Should have seen the face of the potential buyer in the passenger seat when a Surf towing a big trailer kept side by side with it .

Evil 73 wrote:

brumby runner wrote:Same gearbox, H151
Same diff ratio, 4.11

Incorrect the cab chassi's and troopies have 4.3:1 diff ratios, which is the same as the last model 78,79 series.

Ben

I stand corrected.
And it might make a little bit of difference.
But does not account for the lacklustre performance though.

On display at Lardner Park Farmworld (Warrugal, Vic).

HG wrote:I think you will find there is an agreement in Japan on how much power & torque they allow to produce.

You may well be correct regarding the kilowatts (though I haven't heard of a limit before on diesels). But the japanese gentlemen's agreement doesn't limit torque.
Driveline strength does though.

HG wrote:I think you will find there is an agreement in Japan on how much power & torque they allow to produce.
Much like the Supra's & GTR's in standard form only put out 203kw but a little external fiddling & exhaust mods produced remarkable power figures 300+kw , It's going to be unleashed by some tune up shops for sure but the factory trucks are not the fire breathing monsters I was expecting. I was beside a Troopy ute the other day and the sales guy gave it a boot full at the lights and it didn't scream off the line like I expected it too. Should have seen the face of the potential buyer in the passenger seat when a Surf towing a big trailer kept side by side with it .

Funny you mention this agreement. Even though they say they limit them to 206KW, i have seen dead stock GTR's fresh off the boat pull dyno figures that make a mockery of that agreement. I though the limit was only on petrol vehicles? May be wrong though.

Layto....

lay80n wrote: Funny you mention this agreement. Even though they say they limit them to 206KW, i have seen dead stock GTR's fresh off the boat pull dyno figures that make a mockery of that agreement. I though the limit was only on petrol vehicles? May be wrong though.

Layto....

That's what i was thinking - could be a different limit regarding diesel engines in passenger vehicles
Although there may be no limit on torque output, the quoted torque output may also have to be reduced to correspond to the fakie power output (or vice-versa).


-Stu

Another Toorak taxi, air bags, big motor good for towing those horse floats and the front track is 95mm wider than the rear, great for 4w driving.

Compression ratio 16.8:1.

Built for serious boost?
But probably not getting it just yet.

im taking one for a test drive 2moz, ill lets yas know how she goes




its great knowing salespeople and gettin testdrives even wen im not buying

we have the cab chassis v8 at work, looks like a uterized wagon, uuugly. hate to try fit accessories in the engine bay not much room. lacks a bit in performance to, hilux goes harder, and the new comon rail triton eats them both

we have the cab chassis v8 at work, looks like a uterized wagon, uuugly. hate to try fit accessories in the engine bay not much room. lacks a bit in performance to, hilux goes harder, and the new comon rail triton eats them both

dont like the look of the new bonnet, but the power is def there, cruisin in 5th, put foot down and got thrown back into the seat. drives alot better than my MQ thats for sure


wouldnt buy one tho, to many electrics in it

Had a quick look at one at Nunawading toyota today. (4door wagon) I liked the size and the no frills interior- no airbags!

I wasn't wrapped with the build quality though - rearmost window seal rubbers were badly installed and the whole car felt a little bit cheap.

It's a shame there doesn't seem to be an auto, even back in the '80's you could get an auto Middy petrol and turbo diesel. I would have thought this motor would love an auto.

I imagine they will sell well. there isn't really anything else like it on the market, if you rule out a defender as too quirky and underpowered.

for my money though, I would go with a diesel/auto LWB Wrangler rubicon.

Steve.

rojak wrote:Another Toorak taxi, air bags, big motor good for towing those horse floats and the front track is 95mm wider than the rear, great for 4w driving.

??

How many 'toorak taxi's' come with vinyl trim, live axle f/r, diff lock options and no air bags?
You've clearly done your research

Gwagensteve wrote:Had a quick look at one at Nunawading toyota today. (4door wagon) I liked the size and the no frills interior- no airbags!

I wasn't wrapped with the build quality though - rearmost window seal rubbers were badly installed and the whole car felt a little bit cheap.

It's a shame there doesn't seem to be an auto, even back in the '80's you could get an auto Middy petrol and turbo diesel. I would have thought this motor would love an auto.

I imagine they will sell well. there isn't really anything else like it on the market, if you rule out a defender as too quirky and underpowered.

for my money though, I would go with a diesel/auto LWB Wrangler rubicon.

Steve.

Grrrrr just did MY research and found out no auto/diesel Rubicon. Pfft sold out again!

Pity you cant get one of these locally:


Diesel V8, twin turbo + intercooler with 5-speed auto


All Mercedes sell here is the AMG petrol.

Also, the new G-class is supposed to come with a 3-door...

The G400 CDI cannot be built RHD as the steering shaft would foul one of the turbos. In fact, the G400 CDI requires scallops in the chassis to clear the motor

I do not believe we will see more "genuine" G class cars avilable to the public. They were getting too hard to meet current legislation - remember these were designed in 1973.

Three door G-wagens were available from day one.

I agree though, a G400CDI would be very very cool, although I would prefer one of the canadian army spec G 290 CDI's (hutchinson double beadlocks and 8.25 16 Michelin XZL's)

Steve.