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cjdeane10 wrote:Something like:
remove swaybar on leafie = good move off road, bad move on road
Remove swaybar on coily = bad move on road, good move off road

????? Does this sound right ?????

remove swaybar on leafie = good move !

cjdeane10 wrote:Something like:
remove swaybar on leafie = good move off road, bad move on road
Remove swaybar on coily = bad move on road, good move off road

????? Does this sound right ?????

Grrr I am becomeing the new Grimbo....

Have you even read this thread???????

turn you computer off, take the F#%%^$% swaybar off and go for a drive if you like it leave it off if you dont put it back on.

Before the internet we sometimes found things out for ourselves via trial and error.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:

cjdeane10 wrote:Something like:
remove swaybar on leafie = good move off road, bad move on road
Remove swaybar on coily = bad move on road, good move off road

????? Does this sound right ?????

Grrr I am becomeing the new Grimbo....

Have you even read this thread???????

turn you computer off, take the F#%%^$% swaybar off and go for a drive if you like it leave it off if you dont put it back on.

Before the internet we sometimes found things out for ourselves via trial and error.

Steve.

oh oh you've finally broken Steve its all down hill now

Geez... sorry to make your blood boil mate, but currently i am at work, in front of my computer, and dont have the luxury of removing it right this second and test running it!

I would much rather be at home tinkering with the zuk!

Main thing i was trying to get outta this forum was -what have other people done, and what are thier experiences (to save myself and others making the same mistakes).

If the reccomendation is for everyone to take their swaybars off, trial them out, and attach/leave swaybar off on their own need - then that is what we will do.

But kinda defeats the purpose of the forum - this thread was started because someone wanted 'help' and wanted to know 'other peoples experiences'

Getting narky doesn't help anyone.

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Phew.... calmed down now, so I'll be rational.

I don't know how much more help you need. You asked a question and had 13 direct reponses.

10 said take it off
2 said make disconnects (and pretty much explained how)
1 said the car sucked on road but was great off road.

Really, I don't think you caould have asked for more, or a better range of responses, from all over australia, in under three days. How many more people do you need to tell you the same thing?

Maybe for you next question you should ask which is better, SPOA or SPUA if you really want to see some excitement .. Or ask what do people think of K&N filters on the general forum.

Steve.

I don't know how much more help you need. You asked a question and had 13 direct reponses.

Point taken.

calming down now too...

the thread was started about Leafy zuk, i asked about Coily, got mixed response (everyone is entitled to their opinion).
But will test it out for myself!

Thanks everyone for the info!

my innocent thread turned sour

hahahaha - thanks for the help guys

hey after my alignment being all fixed up etc, howcome now with the swaybar off its put the alignment back out to what it use to be?!?!

i took mine off then couldnt be bothered putting it back on

drives alright for a suzi

should of kept it though so i can put it on when i sell it

Trav83yo wrote: should of kept it though so i can put it on when i sell it

u mean when u buy the next one?

maybe would like to get a patrol in a year or two and keep my suzi but my girlfriend doesnt understand the concept

mine was way better when i took the sway bar off because it used to get stuck under my dodgy old nudge bar

i have a return to centre dampner coil springs and no sway bar my car feels great on the road.

this has been an interesting read but one question hasn't been answered, whats the legality of all of this? What does the insurance company say about having a swaybar on or off?

i drove an sj 80 with body lift and 31's today at work no swaybars it wandered all over the road and rolled heaps bad i reckon if i gave a good flick onn the steering wheel itd go over piece of piss

I reckon if you read it again it will be in there!

This is ILLEGAL! If you have a crash insurance will not cover you unless you can get it back in there!

suzuki boy wrote:I reckon if you read it again it will be in there!

This is ILLEGAL! If you have a crash insurance will not cover you unless you can get it back in there!

Yes, you are technically correct, but - they have to notice, and have to demonstrate how it contributed to the crash.

Generally, unless something is blatantly unsafe, (and clearly contributed to the accident) the insurance company won't knock the claim. An obstinate insurance company that doesn't pay will get a poor reputation quickly - it doesn't make sense.

Case in point - I had a "knock for knock" crash in the early 1990's in a new hilux. The car had 15X7 rims, (16X5.5 on placard) 31X10.5 Mud Terrains (205 R16 on placard) tinted windows, sports steering wheel, bullbar.... none of which was on the policy.

One tyre was replaced with a new one, the bullbar was replaced and nothing more was said.

I know it's not the ethically correct thing to say, and if the car was involved in s single vehicle rollover accident, you might be on shaky ground, but as an example, suzukiboy, you might accidentally drive on road with non speed rated tyres on your car........

Most of our cars are illegal/uninsurable in one way or another.

Steve.

Thanks Steve, yeah that makes sense that they'd require it. I was thinking of just removing it when i went off road. I'd hate to run into a Merc and then have a massive debt cause the insurance company wouldn't pay up.

Has anyone had any good experience with insurance companies accepting their zooks?

Yeah having said that my sway bar stays off in the shed!

I gota ring up the insurance company some time and tell them all the mods it has now! All they know is the bull bar and winch! Would be alright in a roll over cause i could take the parts off but if it got stollen i would be behind the 8 ball!

And i'm on my P's i'm not lookin foward to it!

You're on your P's - insurance companies hate young guys and modified cars.

Try ringing them and "asking" - some stuff just adds value like a stereo, and they might be OK with that, but if you pump up the value of the car too much you will need an inspection and then you might be in trouble- too many mods and you will be knocked.

"Agreed value" is a funny thing - you can't have an agreed value for a $2000 car of $10000 because of the stuff on it. Agreed value normally only applies to a % of the market value - say up to 40% above market. (or something - don't quote me) The problem is if agreed value goes too high they can't write the car off so they get trapped with a wreck nobody will fix and have to pay you out $10k for a car that gets $500 at auction.

Maybe try a 4WD specialist or Shannons, but your best bet is to go 3rd party, go for maximum value (which is 5K) and make sure it's not knocked off. (maybe try a rottweiler on the passenger seat?) That way if you have a prang you always get the car back to pull the stuff off of. Once the value of the stuff on the car is greater than the value of the car, it's the only way to go, otherwise you loose control of the wreck and loose all your accessories.

Steve.

my old 1 litre never had it and it was great untill i rolled it lol.

the coily feels way more stable without it , weird hey

also on corrogated roads and what not the sway bar makes the ride harsher i have found, and also worse on gravel

imo if your under 25 full comp insurance on a sierra isn't worth it. You would have to right off your car every 18 months to get back what your spending in insurance. Just get third party and live with dings. If you do any real damage most of your stuff will swap over and you might be out of pocket $2000 after parting the rest out. but hey thats the premium that the insurance company wanted you to pay anyhow.

I'm 20, I refuse to pay for anything more than extra third party. SO yes I agree with Steve and Muppet Man67. If you are really keen to cover yourself, each time your insurnace renewal comes around bank $X into a seperate bank acount, and don't touch that money unless you need to fix or replace the car.

As for the swaybar bit, I still run mine. Its mainly there because I'm too time poor lately to take it off, and back in the days when I did have time I never thought about it. I was looking into making a disconnect or something, but figured its not worth the effort. Maybe talk to a Roads guy and see if you can even get it mod plated (big maybe) for not having one, then your insurance company can go sit on it, and rotate!

tuffsahara wrote:i drove an sj 80 with body lift and 31's today at work no swaybars it wandered all over the road and rolled heaps bad i reckon if i gave a good flick onn the steering wheel itd go over piece of piss

mine was like that when it still had struts and soft springs,

but i have much better springs now and ditched the struts for seperate spring and coil set up. and without a sway bar it drives very well.

taking my swaybar off was done after i had 2" springs put in... i noticed more bodyroll on road and the rear was more prone to lifting a tyre around a corner (didnt feel unsafe, just spun the wheel). After that i ramped it and was definitely getting more flex.

Its also far easier to throw a non-swaybarred zuk sideways into a corner because the rear lets go easier =)

I've got a Coilly with 40mm suspension lift, 50mm body lift, and 31's. I removed the sway bar after I did the suspension lift. It's not a polite car on the road, off road it's fantastic. I use it as a daily driver for my 64km round trip to work and back, and it's fine.

As for specific handling properties, well my other car is a race prepped Mini, so everything else handles like a double bed to me. Just drive to the conditions. Take it off and see how you go. If it feels too unstable, put it back on. Otherwise just adjust your driving to the car. You are the most tuneable part of your car

ive got my 91 hardtop sierra fully comprehensive insured through Just Cars. Fully worth it i reckon considering only cost me $490/yr for the premium and that covers my car for an agreed value of $6000. not bad considering i bought it for $3000. Oh and i am only 22yr old. Just gotta ring around and find an insurance company that would work for ya.

croatian4x4 wrote:ive got my 91 hardtop sierra fully comprehensive insured through Just Cars. Fully worth it i reckon considering only cost me $490/yr for the premium and that covers my car for an agreed value of $6000. not bad considering i bought it for $3000. Oh and i am only 22yr old. Just gotta ring around and find an insurance company that would work for ya.

Yeah I was going to give Just Cars a call. They seemed pretty good. What sort of mods have you got on it? You got them all covered I assume?

Yeah just car are basicly fine with any mods, don't increase your premium, as long as they are legal and you tell them.

@croatian4x4 Nice price, im on $630/yr just 3rd part fire + theft. Though I am a youngin.

Will be taking the sway bar of sometime next week, will see how we go!

well my sierra handle better without the swaybar, was a smoother car to drive. had stock springs, 30" ATs, diff moved forward 1.5" and 1.5" extended shackles.

got pulled over twice by the cops, guess what, they didn't notice, how cool is that guys!! haha
they also didn't say anything about no mud flaps on the rear, they must like suzuki's
the second cop had a whinge about the non standard bumber bar and that was after I had put the blinkers into the bar and not just cable tied to the top. first cop wasn't worried about cable ties but didn't like the fact I only had one p plate on the rear. how can they see the one at the front at night anyway!, so they didn't book me for that, just the speeding! cops are tops!!!

I think some of the people on here may need to stress less and have some more fun! life is short

enjoy ashley

Thanks for the help every one!

The mods on the car are now worth more than the car!

At the moment it's insured in my dads name but he said if i do any more modding he will make me put it in my name(Probably so i don't spend even more on it!) His just going to inqure about if he did the mods it has now and see how much it will go up! If its heaps it will have the mods that are listed.........

My DD is insured in my name full comp (got that cheap though! )

Thanks heaps!

oh I forgot, I also have an 80 series 3 inch coils and 35's and it drives well, steers good, doesn't body roll much and is a smooth ride. fly's along the beach, bush and absolutly loves fast country roads!

And it DOESN'T have swaybars.

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