Outer Limits 4x4 Board

N*A*M wrote:i had 2" body lift (which would only raise the cog a little bit) and 4" tyre lift (26" to 34") which would raise the cog a fair bit, but the wheels and tyres were much heavier. i was about 3-4" wider. i reckon i would still need to be another 2" wider to follow the '1.5" width for every 1" lift rule'.

I have thought for a long time about the "heavier tyre" thing .. on level ground you would have alower COG but once tipped up you have an equal mass on both sides of the vehcile so they would cancel each other out to some extent .. plus if yu come up a bit quick .. you have all that extra mass/inertia to pull/push you over ..

If you considerably wider and heavier that would lower your COG would be lower once moving ..

redzook wrote:

greg wrote:

N*A*M wrote:front 12.5cm
rear 13.5cm

Bummer - looks like i'm a bit tall:

Rear - 7" = 177mm (axel to chassis)
Front - 6" = 152mm (axel to bump stop mount (not the bump stop))

Note: the car sits a good inch and a bit taller now due to the lighter body (this also means the rear cannot be compressed onto it's bump stops anymore). I plan to remove some more leaves from the spring packs in early january - i'll update the details once this is done.

that means your zook is actually taller than mine

So I guess all the people who say spring overs are no good because they roll easier must be WRONG . I am sure Tims springs are softer as well so his would rid a lot smoother and more comfortable.

greg wrote:

N*A*M wrote:i had 2" body lift (which would only raise the cog a little bit) and 4" tyre lift (26" to 34") which would raise the cog a fair bit, but the wheels and tyres were much heavier. i was about 3-4" wider. i reckon i would still need to be another 2" wider to follow the '1.5" width for every 1" lift rule'.

I guess the best way to measure the cog test would be to jack the car up under it's tyres until it falls over - this would tell you the max angles it can drive, and also where the cog is. you could then repeat the test front to back etc..

I know a good tree stump for doing that

My Zook is still bog stock so i guess i can try to answer the original question.
It is a 83 model so it does include a bit of sag..
120 mm from top of axle to chassis rail in the rear.
100 mm from top of axle to chassis rail in the front.
Thats with the stock wheels and standard size tyres ,not that that effects it.
So does this mean that my zook must be rare cause its still stock..? so can someone pay big dollars for it cause its a collectors item

Russ,
They might pay big dollars if they are Rust collectors!

overkill wrote:So I guess all the people who say spring overs are no good because they roll easier must be WRONG

too true... infact mine was a super tall, super clean show truck (until i let big steve drive it )

greg wrote:

overkill wrote:So I guess all the people who say spring overs are no good because they roll easier must be WRONG

too true... infact mine was a super tall, super clean show truck (until i let big steve drive it )

what do u mean its still is tall an still is a SHOW TRUCK

redzook wrote:what do u mean its still is tall an still is a SHOW TRUCK

it's always nice to get compliments from a fellow show truck owner

Did someone say show truck?

It's all about the bling baby!!

greg wrote:Bummer - looks like i'm a bit tall:

Rear - 7" = 177mm (axel to chassis)
Front - 6" = 152mm (axel to bump stop mount (not the bump stop))

Note: the car sits a good inch and a bit taller now due to the lighter body (this also means the rear cannot be compressed onto it's bump stops anymore). I plan to remove some more leaves from the spring packs in early january - i'll update the details once this is done.

As promised, i got out the trusty tape measure and checked the new measurements now that the winch is on the front and two leaves have been removed from the rear springs.

New distances are exactly 1" less than before (both at front and rear). So:

Rear - 6" (axel to chassis)
Front - 5" (axel to bump stop mount (not the bump stop))

How's that redzook? Am i still taller?

Sounds about the same as mine up front gerg mine is taller in the back tho ... ( will measure tommorow on the way home from work )


Hmmm

greg wrote:

greg wrote:Bummer - looks like i'm a bit tall:

Rear - 7" = 177mm (axel to chassis)
Front - 6" = 152mm (axel to bump stop mount (not the bump stop))

Note: the car sits a good inch and a bit taller now due to the lighter body (this also means the rear cannot be compressed onto it's bump stops anymore). I plan to remove some more leaves from the spring packs in early january - i'll update the details once this is done.

As promised, i got out the trusty tape measure and checked the new measurements now that the winch is on the front and two leaves have been removed from the rear springs.

New distances are exactly 1" less than before (both at front and rear). So:

Rear - 6" (axel to chassis)
Front - 5" (axel to bump stop mount (not the bump stop))

How's that redzook? Am i still taller?

in the rear my measurement was 240 yours was 152

240 - 152 = 88 mm

yours has a 2 inch body lift (50mm)

88 - 50 = 38 mm

you have 34's compared to my 31's if the measure what they say yours will give u 37.5mm more lift then mine

38 - 37.5 = .5 mm

so u have .5 mm less lift then me
hope i worked that out alright








but i have since got the exo wich makes mine sit lower again

its ok greg u cant win everything


so mine flexs better
has more clearance under the diffs
is lower
rides better/smoother

now i know why u love sua it makes an easy trail hard

redzook wrote:so mine flexs better
has more clearance under the diffs
is lower
rides better/smoother

now i know why u love sua it makes an easy trail hard

i suspect i have more bling than you do though..

oh well.

"i'll get you next time redzook - if it's the last thing i do"
(inspector gadget reference)...

335mm for me.......

COG comparison of a hardtop with an exo to a softop.......

uphiir wrote:COG comparison of a hardtop with an exo to a softop.......

yeh we are just ribbing into each other my cog would defnatly be higher. but i am lower

SPOA is about this much taller than a stocky;

Liam wrote:SPOA is about this much taller than a stocky;

HA HA this piss funny Liam, if you had Gregs on the other side of the red one it would show the diferance between a low rider a stocky and an average spoa
Peter.

all this mines bigger than yours stuff dont impress me, just drive it, dont talk about it
me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

droopypete wrote:

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

I don't need a ruler to measure how far down in the gutter this joke was pete.

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

I don't need a ruler to measure how far down in the gutter this joke was pete.

Thank you for that complement Greg
By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed
Peter.

droopypete wrote:

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

I don't need a ruler to measure how far down in the gutter this joke was pete.

Thank you for that complement Greg
By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed

Peter.

Valentines day is comming up ....

love_mud wrote:

droopypete wrote:

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

I don't need a ruler to measure how far down in the gutter this joke was pete.

Thank you for that complement Greg
By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed

Peter.

Valentines day is comming up ....

If I don't make my shed smaller that is all that is comming
Peter.

droopypete wrote:

love_mud wrote:

droopypete wrote:

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

I don't need a ruler to measure how far down in the gutter this joke was pete.

Thank you for that complement Greg
By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed

Peter.

Valentines day is comming up ....

If I don't make my shed smaller that is all that is comming
Peter.

Cant you convince her that a mans performance is directly related to the Size of his shed ??? She may let you double it ...



Just dont ask me to back this up .. as I have no shed whatsoever ...

droopypete wrote:By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed
Peter.

Bummer... I'd let you store some of your car stuff at my place pete, but alas - there isn't much room in the kitchen with all my stuff in there already

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed
Peter.

Bummer... I'd let you store some of your car stuff at my place pete, but alas - there isn't much room in the kitchen with all my stuff in there already

Sounds funny, people always out grow their shed.

I never used the garage for the zook coz it was too tall, I blame that for the junk building up.

love_mud wrote:

droopypete wrote:

love_mud wrote:

droopypete wrote:

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:

christover1 wrote:me just annoyed cos I cant read a ruler.

Chris, I was under the impresion that you could measure 11" at a time and didn't need a ruler
Peter.

I don't need a ruler to measure how far down in the gutter this joke was pete.

Thank you for that complement Greg
By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed

Peter.

Valentines day is comming up ....

If I don't make my shed smaller that is all that is comming
Peter.

Cant you convince her that a mans performance is directly related to the Size of his shed ??? She may let you double it ...



Just dont ask me to back this up .. as I have no shed whatsoever ...

There is an old saying Guy, "when you have a big tractor, you need a big shed to put it in"
I could get by with an 8'x8' from Bunnings

greg wrote:

droopypete wrote:By the way, Jeanette wants me to cut back the size of my shed
Peter.

Bummer... I'd let you store some of your car stuff at my place pete, but alas - there isn't much room in the kitchen with all my stuff in there already

What are you talking about Greg, 2 slices of toast and your kitchen is full
Peter.